Israel and Iran are Secret Allies; the Epic of Gilgamesh is the Proof

Once again, Huck, you amaze me with your knowledge.

Keep it coming.

Originally posted by guinnessford
Once again, Huck, you amaze me with your knowledge.

Keep it coming.

Thanks dude, but I was already walked into this trap a few years ago...I survived it that's all.

My first wife's mother's maiden name was Moss, it didn't occur to me then but I think she was a Mossad asset. Our marraige coincidently ran parallel to the Oslo peace accord, 7 years, then we broke up and this current war began, september 2000.

I think perhaps, many American men have a similiar story to tell. That's how war plays itself out behind the scences it seems.

[edit on 29-3-2009 by huckfinn]

Originally posted by huckfinn

Its all a trickery, these two countries are faking it. The more I write the less reason I can find to believe that Israel and Iran are enemies; thus, America should not be pulled into the idea that we should go to war with them and to be clear we should just stop paying attention to the staged event they are trying to lure us into.

Sure, you bellieve this, but who do you name, in reference to this plot? Is it the people we see in charge, or another side of all of this.?

I must say, being half Jewish myself, raised Catholic, that I see what you say, as sort of racist in regards to you hypothesis. I am also of mixed races. I am part white, part native American, and part black. I can't help but see you starting something racial with what you propose, here. Sorry, if I am off on that.

In this story that they wrote together, we die.

Everyone dies, my dear. Better get used to the idea.


[edit on 29-3-2009 by huckfinn]

reply to post by Blanca Rose


I am sorry that you feel something racial by me suggesting that Kadima, the current government of Israel, is secretly allied to the Ahmadinejad's political party and that the two are joined in a plot to destroy America. Sounds to me that you want to be offended.

I feel offended by the war that is being waged upon my nation. I feel offended by the fact the world thinks my country just killed 100,000 Iraqis for oil. I feel offended that 4000 of my countrymen are pushing up daisies; but its cool to you because everyone dies.

If you continue to believe that Iran is really your enemy and wants to destroy Israel, that is fine with me; just don't try and get America involved in it. The two of you should fight your own wars. It's somewhat shocking to read that you are in such strong support of making war upon Iran; I wonder what an Iranian thinks about it.

Originally posted by huckfinn


I feel offended by the war that is being waged upon my nation. I feel offended by the fact the world thinks my country just killed 100,000 Iraqis for oil. I feel offended that 4000 of my countrymen are pushing up daisies; but its cool to you because everyone dies.

I am 0ffendied you think I suggested such a thing. To everything, there is a season. Turn, Turn, Turn. Look it up on google, my dear. The Byrdes.

If you continue to believe that Iran is really your enemy and wants to destroy Israel, that is fine with me; just don't try and get America involved in it. The two of you should fight your own wars. It's somewhat shocking to read that you are in such strong support of making war upon Iran; I wonder what an Iranian thinks about it.

I don't believe anyone is my enemy, until I am affected by it. I speak from experience on this one. I also have had neighbors who fled from Iran, under the influence of the Shah. which, I am sure you are too young to even know about, But thanks for your input, about how woefully not worthy I am about the workings of the world.

I have been blessed by growing up in a greatly diversifed area of the world that was somewhat tolerant od diversity.

edit, I am quote challenged

[edit on 29-3-2009 by Blanca Rose]

I'm not really familiar with that story, however based on what you gave in the explanation and the general understanding I think you are a bit off.

Rather than looking at these things in countries, I think you would be better off looking on a functional level. Because I agree with your general premise, but I think you are off on the players. The general premise is not just something in an isolated area vs another area, but rather all over the world. It is merely applied at different times and areas, but the function of what you mention is the same all around.

That function is that people will try to divide and conquer, to lure you in to "sin", and generally as well as a means of "saving your own skin". Oh you've got to take this action now! All you really need to do is look and see if that action is one of death and destruction or not. They will tell you to be afraid, to be on your guard against such things, but in the end you yourself will be sowing and walking the path of death and destruction. And while one may think they are "justified", there really isn't any justification for it.

Who it is setting the trap really doesn't matter. But if what you say is true regarding the countries listed, then I'd say it is true of all countries and even the formation of government in itself is the trap and giving away of powers. And surely we do give up much power to this function/trap.

You do not rid the world of evil by killing it or doing evil things yourself. If successful you will only become the greater evil and in the process you have brought the world more evil/destruction. The ends don't justify the means, the means determine the end.

reply to post by badmedia


Well. you may be very well correct with your thought.

Mine is the Epic of Gilgamesh never forethought the mixing of races to account for. I am a hazel eyed blond that is at least 1/4 black, that I know of. I sunburn very easlily, and I am prone to skin cancer, even after my heritage, which I can trace.

So, what is your point?

reply to post by Blanca Rose


That's fantastic...

But it doesn't deal with Shamhat's identity as the character we know in the west as Lilith. Shamhat's and the Trappers role in the Epic of Gilgamesh is quite clear, capture Enkidu.

In the present time, I see the scenario where something is trying to lure America into a trap. It seems that this very thing has already been done as we are still in the Middle East, nevertheless, the only country in the world that is expecting military assistance is Israel; no other state in the world is constantly asking us to Kill for them.

Try viewing the image of a European King, he is dressed in the image of Enkidu, animal skin and long hair. See below...that is Enkidu.



This particular King helped the harlot and she betrayed him to his death. You may not believe that Kings exist anymore, but they do and something in Iran is trying to capture one and Israel is helping.

Its funny that you mentioned the Shah...Reza Pahlavi is my #1 suspect and may be behind this entire war. He's operating out of the D.C. area...how convenient that the Shah of Shahs at this very moment is in Washington DC lobbying the democrats to support his political ambitions in Iran and the same time Washington has an issue with the current Iranian government.

I think he want's to set up a constitutional monarchy or something. He feels this is best for the Iranian nation. He needs your help though...with the Mullahs. He pretends to not like Israel, however.

[edit on 29-3-2009 by huckfinn]

reply to post by badmedia


I do agree that is all over the world...however the loudest voices are coming from Israel and Iran. When putting together this idea, I sacrificed the analysis for the sake of brevity and hoped that the natural flow of the conversation provides greater clarity.

reply to post by huckfinn


Reza has been dead since 1980. If he were alive today he would be 88 years old and probably not in war starting shape.

reply to post by pteridine


I am talking about his son who was born in 1960, has four children and lives somewhere in Maryland. You know the Crown Prince that has appeared on cable news stations several times to tell us all about the oppressive Iranian Republic and extol the virtues of a the constitutional monarchy he's designed for Iran.

Funny thing about royalty…when you know your father was an Emperor and your mother Empress and his supporters still refer to you as shahanshah…you’ll do just about anything to get that back. I once had this theory that after the last Shah fled Iran, Saddam Hussein declared war on Iran to help him out. In 1988, the Iraq-Iran war ended and shortly afterward the Ayatollah Khomeini died and was replaced by the current supreme leader who just happens to be a member of the same tribe as the former royal family. What if Iran is only an Islamic Republic in name and has been run by this younger Shah for the last 21 years?

The Shah working with Israel, like the good old days, trick the United States in making war upon something they both know doesn’t even exist, Iranian Republic. Tricked and exhausted the United States is overthrown back home and this Shah sets up his new government in Washington DC.

He wants a Throne it would seem.

Reza Pahlavi

One thing I've learned about ATS is that the quickest way to clear out a thread is to link Reza Pahlavi to an evil plot. Behold Aryamehr.

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Middle East rulers have long realized that as symbolic as the destruction of Israel could be, nothing would really change for anybody even if every Jew in Israel was massacred. Places like Egypt and Yemen would still remain backward and impoverished with few prospects for betterment. The oil money that flows has not improved the lot of 90% of the Arab world.

Much is not what it seems to be in the Middle East. The Palestinians are used as pawns in a massive deflection from the really pressing concerns. Billions and weapons are given to them to keep them fighting. No Muslim country wants to help them achieve a lasting peace or prosperity.

Iran's threats to Israel are attempts to rally the Muslim populace with a unified cause.
The nuclear thing in Iran is an attempt to achieve leverage and credibility more than to wipe out Israel.

The real bad guys are the Saudi royal family and the other despotic hopelessly corrupt regimes in the region. Al Qaida has been gunning for them from day one. They are the natural enemies of the Iranian mullahs.

But emotions, mistrust, endless hidden agendas are endemic to the Middle East.

It’s hard to say for sure how it will play out in the end.


Mike

Originally posted by huckfinn
reply to post by pteridine

 

I am talking about his son who was born in 1960, has four children and lives somewhere in Maryland. You know the Crown Prince that has appeared on cable news stations several times to tell us all about the oppressive Iranian Republic and extol the virtues of a the constitutional monarchy he's designed for Iran.

Funny thing about royalty…when you know your father was an Emperor and your mother Empress and his supporters still refer to you as shahanshah…you’ll do just about anything to get that back. I once had this theory that after the last Shah fled Iran, Saddam Hussein declared war on Iran to help him out. In 1988, the Iraq-Iran war ended and shortly afterward the Ayatollah Khomeini died and was replaced by the current supreme leader who just happens to be a member of the same tribe as the former royal family. What if Iran is only an Islamic Republic in name and has been run by this younger Shah for the last 21 years?

The Shah working with Israel, like the good old days, trick the United States in making war upon something they both know doesn’t even exist, Iranian Republic. Tricked and exhausted the United States is overthrown back home and this Shah sets up his new government in Washington DC.

He wants a Throne it would seem.

Reza Pahlavi

One thing I've learned about ATS is that the quickest way to clear out a thread is to link Reza Pahlavi to an evil plot. Behold Aryamehr.

[edit on 30-3-2009 by huckfinn]

The son is Reza Pahlavi II, and that was the cause of my confusion. If he has any influence at all with his tribe members, I would doubt that he can surreptitiously run the country with it. He is probably barely allowed to remain alive because of it. He represents western culture which is at odds with the Islamic government and their theocracy. There is no room for him in any heirarchy or even in Iran. It would be unreasonable to think that he had any chance of claiming power over any place other than his own backyard, the only part of America where he rules....and pays taxes for the priviledge.

reply to post by huckfinn


Even though i cant say i share any of those issues, this is a very informative and new theory.

Ive never closed the door to new possibilities.

It does seem to make sense, that this could be true.

it also makes sense to me that 2 neighbors that share borders as close as these 2 countries could make a ploy against the west, right under our noses.

Some people may look at you posts, or ideas and think youre nuts.

I seem to have a way to look at them, and see thru that, and right to the point you are making.

Why is this such a hard idea for people to swallow?

How many enemies do we have?

And why is it so hard to fathom that 2 countries could co-conspirate against us in this way?

(not sure if thats a word, but ill try it!)

Stepping back and taking it all in, lies have ALWAYS brought us to war, so whats the difference if they are our lies, or their lies?

Like i said, keep this coming.

Im a truth addict, ahh, s*(^ i got a head rush!!

reply to post by pteridine


Or so it may seem...perhaps the true Iranian revolutionary movement was subverted to end the Iraq/Iran war of the eighties. Maybe Reza Pahlavi is already secretly in control of Iran, and runs the country through his finger puppet the Supreme Leader.

Its all been done before...Pretending to be a fugitive a King gains access to a target Kingdoms home where he subverts authority and overthrows the Kingdom.

Your idea that a person who's father was recently an Emperor of an empire that claims to have existed for 2500 years is going to sit back and accept a suburban American existence is quite amusing and far fetched. I told you people have ridiculous beliefs.

Of course the man is trying to overthrow the American government. That is why he is here, living in suburban DC. Any politician that deals with this guy has got to be suicidal.

This isn't an ancient history thread these things have all happened within the last 35 years.

Huck, i do have one thing to add/ask:

Are the royal bloodlines of europe involved directly, or inderectly?

And if youre unsure of what i mean ill clarify.

Their bloodlines should be able to be traced back just as far, if not very close, to the ones you are referring to.

Just thought maybe they could be in play, with the thoughts and influence of the european leaders.

Originally posted by huckfinn
reply to post by badmedia

 

I do agree that is all over the world...however the loudest voices are coming from Israel and Iran. When putting together this idea, I sacrificed the analysis for the sake of brevity and hoped that the natural flow of the conversation provides greater clarity.

The loudest voices in a song are always changing. If not those countries it would be some other countries. It's also only loudest for those who tune into the song as well.

7 years ago, it was Iraq and Afganistan. In the 80's it was Iran. During the cold war, Russia. Germany, Japan in WW2, England long before that, on back to the Romans and Egypt if we go back far enough. On and on in history you can find loud singers.

reply to post by guinnessford


The battle certainly takes place within those royal families as well and throughout Asia and Africa. There are so many it is impossible to determine who is doing what, so I just tried to go the very top (bottom) of their command structure.

I follow what i've termed the Pimp, Whore & Dog framework of strategic analysis, which is a mirror image and opposed to the Father, Mother & Son framework. The two are the foundation structure for every event, the three are always present.

When I started this thread I decided to deal with the Pimp and Whore trying to trap the Father so as to possess the home and wealth of the Mother and Son. Its a scenario analysis, based on 35 years of data. I just tested the idea here because of the immediate, anonymous feedback.

It goes down like this...While the Father deals with the Whore and her problems, the Pimp slides up to whisper lies into the Mother's ear, when the Father's guard is down the Dog sneaks up and kills him. When the deed is done...the Pimp has the house, while the Whore and Dog empty the dead Father's pockets. The mother and son survive but they deprived of their home and way of life.

Even though it is completely obvious that the dogs have been let loose all over the world and our sons (daughters) are out there fighting with them, the war in more developed and stable states doesn't lend itself to armed conflict. In Europe, I think the war is most pronounced in corporate boardrooms, legislatures and in the banks. So, in Europe the war is primarily fought by people with pens as opposed to swords, but the same type of scenario is clear.

The sneak attack came about three years ago (November 6, 2005), but the Father saw the plot and defeated it, so in the present time he is able to see that the Pimp is still whispering lies into the Mother's ear, the Whore has been neutralized and is a useless player and the Dog has turned on her and himself.

This I will bet money on, if the US stops paying attention to the fake crisis concocted by the Whore, throw the Pimp on the street (or in jail) they will all be lost, along with their dog, in the wilderness and never be heard of from again. The war will end.

But that's all just a theory. I suppose the war is most likely about Oil or something.

reply to post by badmedia


You are correct, I am paying attention to what is being said in the world.

reply to post by huckfinn


I beleive in theories, they usually have alot of truth.

Even if its "oil", im sure its only a footnote.

Very well spoken.

I had a feeling the "royals" had a foot in the door of this, but wasnt 100 pct.

Thanks for shedding some light.