Fox News Secedes From America

Originally posted by Caminhando
I should just write whatever loony-toon idea that comes to mind and for my citation page, "There are some who think this..." and my professor should just accept it...I'm gonna try that!

And of course you'd fit right in with so many of the pro-Fox posters on this thread.

Damn. I actually did want this to be non-partisan. I was hoping that people would see that having a large multinational media corporation actively interfering in politics might be a Bad Thing in and of itself... guess not.

And so many Fox fans are just so stupid. But it's that whole right wing authoritarian thing, I suppose. RWAs just don't do logic very well...

According to John Dean, who wrote in Conservatives Without Conscience, "Many conservatives, particularly those who are clearly authoritarians, are not aware of their illogical, contradictory, and hypocritical thinking. If made cognizant of it, they either rationalize it away, neglect to care, or attack those who reveal their human weaknesses. Because such thinking seems to be a reality of contemporary conservatism, anyone operating from a logical mind or has the inclination toward a reasoned judgment will have a problem with this." Dean adds that right-wing authoritarianism reveals itself in three ways:

1. Authoritarian submission — a high degree of submissiveness to the authorities who are perceived to be established and legitimate in the society in which one lives.
   
2. Authoritarian aggression — a general aggressiveness directed against deviants, outgroups, and other people that are perceived to be targets according to established authorities.
   
3. Conventionalism — a high degree of adherence to the traditions and social norms that are perceived to be endorsed by society and its established authorities.
   

The article goes on to list the ways in which RWAs just don't think very clearly...

: Faulty Reasoning — Right-wing authoritarians (RWAs) are more likely to:

• Make many incorrect inferences from evidence.
  
• Hold contradictory ideas that result from a cognitive attribute known as compartmentalized thinking, as illustrated by Orwellian doublethink.
  
• Uncritically accept that many problems are ‘our most serious problem.’
  
• Uncritically accept insufficient evidence that supports their beliefs.
  
• Uncritically trust people who tell them what they want to hear.
  
• Use many double standards in their thinking and judgments.
  

There's lots more in the article. For fun, you might want to look at the previous posts and see which posts most clearly exemplify which RWA traits. Enjoy!

The cable "news" networks are ALL horribly biased. They all blatantly mix opinions and facts (or lies, even). And their reporters are all ludicrously comfortable injecting their own emotions into the stories. They won't report on anything unless they can sensationalize the hell out of it. Something has gone horribly, horribly, HORRIBLY wrong with the public's perceptions that they cannot see this going on!

They're all so smarmy and cheesy it makes me want to puke. : The only news program I can stand is McNeil/Lehrer, and that ain't great.

[edit on 29-3-2009 by Distractions4Nothing]

Originally posted by SevenThunders
Yes I'd say it is fair and balanced given the extreme leftist slant of all the other media.

As I've already said in this thread, you think that because you're in probably the most right-wing country in the world. ALL your media, without exception, is right wing to a greater or lesser extent. You actually don't understand the meaning of the term.

But don't worry Obama has a plan to crush what remains of free speech.

This is why I wanted this thread to be non-partisan, believe it or not. The agenda is the same from either party: greater control. The shell game continues and those who continue to play party politics are part of the problem.

Here's something else you don't understand.

In Communism, the state controls the corporations.
In fascism, the corporations control the stae.

The US is, therefore, a fascist state. Mussolini, whom we may understand to know a thing or two about fascism, actually said, "fascism is more properly called corporatism, marking as it does the merger of state and corporate power".

Either way, the state and the corporations cover for each other and the people lose.

Revolutions are the temporary dissolutions of the power structure that perpetuates this state of affairs. They are successful for only so long as corporations are kept weak.

I am so thankful that there is a news network that is truthful and believes in the people of this great nation.

Is Seceding the first stage of FOX NEWS moving operations offshore as things start to heat up and the economy possibly collapses due to obama and the majority ruled democratic Congress proceeding with wreckless spending and extreme socialistic policies?


[edit on 30-3-2009 by amari]

reply to Rich23post by rich23
I'm just a little confused here,
I read Caminhando's post on the Fox news anchor,where Caminhando
quite rightly is slating their anchor for disseminating the news in a biased fashion,and I have seen them doing it all the time,(it's not that subtle really)usually the only time an anchor has a titter is with UFO reports!
So I'm now thinking you are agreeing with Caminhando's post which I don't think is biased either way,in fact the best post so far.





[edit on 29-3-2009 by smurfy]

It makes me nervous that fox news was almost a wing of the White House press corp, or seemed to be employed by the last administration, and its owned by some one that only became a US citizen for financial reason.

Look how readily he is willing to bring us down. I wish he would go back to his own country and stir up trouble there for a buck.

reply to post by rich23


It's a matter of semantics really if the shadow government consists of a few corporations or more precisely oligarchs who control the corporations, or if they consist of a few oligarchs who run the state controlled organizations.

I feel that communism is a more accurate description of our form of government due to the extent that the public sector intrudes into the daily lives of citizens, starting first with obscene confiscatory taxes and ending with mandatory government controlled brainwashing in the form of government education.

It is also more appropriate since the government and the oligarchs currently favor socialism. Socialism is a wonderful form of government for the state centric monopolies. It guarantees profits and a ready force of slaves in perpetuity.

reply to post by dooper


A lot of people watch American Idol, doesn't mean its quality television.

I put my money on that people watch them for the same reason people listen to Howard Stern. To see what crazy thing is gonna be said next.

reply to post by smurfy


Yeah, I thought that post was great too. Fox is the worst offender. But when I was working in the US and they were just getting ready to launch the illegal war in Iraq, CNN (which the Texans around me used to refer to as "Communist News Network" while I used to think "Corporate n.n.") had a banner across the bottom of the screen saying "America strikes back".

It just sat there, all the time, subliminally conditioning the viewers to think that the war was justified. Fact: Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Fox was the worst for pushing that line of BS but all the corporate networds were guilty.

I'd sit there thinking, "don't you mean, 'America lashes out'?"

The fact that Americans can think that their media has a left-wing bias is just absurd, ridiculous beyond measure.

Originally posted by LDragonFire
It makes me nervous that fox news was almost a wing of the White House press corp, or seemed to be employed by the last administration, and its owned by some one that only became a US citizen for financial reason.

Look how readily he is willing to bring us down. I wish he would go back to his own country and stir up trouble there for a buck.

That guy has really messed up the political culture in the UK too. And the fact that Fox viewers can believe it's "fair and balanced" only brands them as the worst kind of right wing authoritarians (see a previous post). I mean, Roger Ailes was brought in to head it up. If you know anything about that guy's career... he was Nixon's media handler, he's completely hooked into the GOP and is a hard right wing ideologue. Fair and balanced? It was never the idea, and to me it's the scariest kind of Newspeak/doublethink.

IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
... and whatever the other one was, I'm not going to look it up at this time of night.

Originally posted by SevenThunders
reply to post by rich23

 

It's a matter of semantics really if the shadow government consists of a few corporations or more precisely oligarchs who control the corporations, or if they consist of a few oligarchs who run the state controlled organizations.

The effect on personal freedom is the same. There's less of it. However, fascism tends to rely on war as a driver of the economy much more, and mobilizes psychological leverage much more effectively. You can call it semantics if you like. I prefer to think of it as knowing what you're talking about.

Mussolini knew what he was talking about.

I feel that communism is a more accurate description of our form of government due to the extent that the public sector intrudes into the daily lives of citizens, starting first with obscene confiscatory taxes and ending with mandatory government controlled brainwashing in the form of government education.

That's because you're brought up in a system that teaches you little more than "communism=evil=slavery". That's part of the mandatory government controlled brainwashing you're talking about. It begins with saluting the flag. It's just a piece of cloth. Sorry to break it to you, but that's all it is. All the rest of that stuff is the thought control put into your head by your society.

How about a quote from Einstein?

"Flags are a sad reminder that man is still a herd animal".

It is also more appropriate since the government and the oligarchs currently favor socialism. Socialism is a wonderful form of government for the state centric monopolies. It guarantees profits and a ready force of slaves in perpetuity.

And that's different from late stage monopoly capitalism how, exactly?

Remember, the Nazis were National Socialists. Yet Mussolini called them corporatists.

Both those things were correct.

The problem is greed.

I grew up in the UK in a mixed economy. The problem is twofold, IMO. Governments are seen as responsible for too much. If they concentrated on restticting the power of the corporations rather than individuals, we'd be much better off. But no.

So to justify their continued existence they lurch from crisis to crisis passing ill-considered laws that mostly just make matters worse.

The other aspect is greed. There are certain basic things that I think should be nationalised. Public transport, for example, and power generation and distribution. The basics of life.

But it was decided that the nationalised industries needed to be opened to competition. And this was a decision taken not within the UK but outside. Trouble was fomented within the country and Thatcher, the chosen candidate, was put in to implement the neoliberal agenda, starving British Rail of funds, for example, and then saying that the money required to fix the problems she had caused through neglect needed to come from the private sector.

The result has been a massive increase in prices, a huge deterioration in services, and several rail crashes with massive fatalities, deaths that can be laid directly at Thatcher's door. You can no longer buy a rail ticket sensibly in this country because no-one can tell you how much it costs: and the knowledge base that had taken generations to achieve was pissed away, with the result that no-one knows how to do track maintenance any longer, and there are times when the network falls apart completely.

We're back to the situation we were in before nationalisation, but even worse off than before. The railways were nationalised in this country because it made good economic and social sense to do so. It worked for a very long time, and then it was smashed up to provide increased profit for a few fat cats who don't use the rail system to get to work every day.

To take an example from your own country: power companies since the FDR days were heavily regulated and their books had to be open to public inspectors to ensure they weren't making excessive profits. Naturally the greedy oligarchs couldn't have that because it restricted their ability to overcharge. Under successive administrations, lobbyists rolled back the regulations until we arrive at early 2000 and the California brown outs.

An industry survey of the time showed that the various companies supplying California got together to gouge the state. Mainentance work was left undone, stations that were supposed to come on line at times of peak demand were taken offline, that sort of thing.

When then-governor of California Gray Davis brought a lawsuit on these companies for overcharging, they got together in a secret meeting and invited Arnie. This was leaked on the net at the time and I watched it all develop. As it turns out, they bankrolled his campaign for Governator and organised the recall campaign that forced the re-election.

Arnie gets in, and the multi-billion dollar lawsuit goes away.

That's your mythical "free market" at work.

[edit on 29-3-2009 by rich23]

Originally posted by rich23

The fact that Americans can think that their media has a left-wing bias is just absurd, ridiculous beyond measure.

This can only be because you are in complete lockstep with the leftist ideology. The fact is the leftist news bias is provable in a number of ways.

One of the first to confirm what is so obvious to many was the book Media Elite, wherein they actually interviewed these creeps.

www.mediaresearch.org...

The results are obvious. Over 85% of the media types are godless leftists. I think it's only gotten worse. Fox news is just an oddball bunch in a sea of left leaning, hypocritical, self righteous idealogues.

So you've got close to 90% of the mainstream media active in the democratic party and you claim there is no bias? Maybe you feel that the democratic party is conservative, even though it's platform is identical to the USA communist party (who've endorsed the democrats for all of the recent presidential elections).

Actually, when people play the "FOXNews versus MSNBC" game, they are playing right into the hand of those that are controlling the government. People, the MSM is providing the diversion to keep you from focusing upon the real problem, namely that once elected, Dems and Reps are all alike, with the exception of a very few in Congress. They bow to their corporate masters, and ignore the average American, because the average American can't give them what they want, but their crooked bankers, brokers, and corporate Execs can. They will continue to rob the piggy bank, until we put a stop to it. Republican crooks and Democratic crooks are the SAME animal.

As my blood boils, I believe I am writing my last post to any politically based thread. I am continuously amazed by the number of people here, who believe in "free speech", as long as it agrees with their own ideology. If it does not, then let the name calling commence!

It is wrong for Murdoch to use his money to attempt to advance his political beliefs (if you subscribe to that interpretation), but Soros
(financier of MoveOn and other liberal media) is just practicing his free speech rights.

Christ on a pony! That way of thinking (using the most liberal definition of the word 'thinking'), enfuriates me. Some of you people are such elitests. Do you really think you are the only ones capable of viewing a news or political commentary show and discerning what is truth and what is spin?

I get most of my "news" from FOX. I mostly avoid Hannity, because he is as bad as some of you with his 'holier than thou' attitude and exactly as bad as Maddow and Olberman. As an independant voter, I often find myself screaming at the television about the reporters not asking the tough, pointed questions of our elected officials.

When I read many of these posts, I can easily understand how our once great country is in such a sad state. Many of you are just as partisan as the politicians you claim to despise. Quite frankly, I am sickened about the future of the USA.

I wrote in another post, during the Presidential campaigns, that I believed this election has done more to promote class warfare than any in history. This becomes more evident to me, with each politically based thread I read.

Now...Let the name calling commence!

[edit on 29-3-2009 by WTFover]

People, look at yourselves. You're all so foolishly divided... over what? Whether or not you like Fox News?

It's a bunch of mindless mouth pieces working for a wrinkled old billionaire who polishes shoes for the Rothschild clan, just like any other news network that gets permission from the government to air on U.S. television. If it weren't shuffling people to one extreme viewpoint, it would either be shuffling them to the other or taken off the air to make way for something more divisive.

This is what the NWO wants. Arguing, finger pointing, and bickering among the "fringe groups" that oppose them. It keeps us nice, weak, and powerless. Way to hand it to them on a silver platter.

United we stand, divided we fall, and the sad thing is: I bet you all just skip right over this to continue pecking at each other endlessly and launching counter-character attacks at each others' favorite TV shows. Divided it is, I guess.

In order for Fox News to secede from America, they would have to have been a part of it. Fox is about as Anti-America as they come, full of faux-patriotism and sycophantic "news" reporters.

I agree with the OP, they should stay out of things. Any involvement they've had with politics has ended in disaster.

I am continuously amazed by the number of people here, who believe in "free speech", as long as it agrees with their own ideology.

Free speech means you have the right to say what you think.

It does not mean that what you say cannot be criticized, or that you cannot be criticized for the things you say.

People say FOX is bias, but they are not bias in the same way because they are not liberals who are not AMERICAN! If your not a real patriotic then you just can't appreciate the level of Patriotics that FOX opperates on. So when you say FOX sounds bias it can't be because fOX is pro American and is against NWO and terroristsisms.

Originally posted by mandroid

Originally posted by yellowcard

Originally posted by mandroid
Star and Flag. Fox is by far the worst MSM as far as bias goes. They were a wing of the whitehouse for the last eight years sending the daily talking points out to the misinformed and hoodwinked Fox viewer who would then spread it themselves. You can almost hear them giggling at the destruction of common sense and common good.

I challenge you to watch Keith Olberman for a week and report back to me, I guarantee you will change your mind.

Mr. Olberman plays off of Fox and ridicules them. How am I supposed to see this as unfair? His style is abrasive if you are stuck on the receiving end and I find him refreshing, but then again, I hardly watch the "news" channels. I stand by my words.

[edit on 28-3-2009 by mandroid]

If you find Olberman refreshing, then obviously you are going to say that Fox News is less fair, because you would have to be at least slightly left leaning to find Olberman anywhere near refreshing. The man is Bill O'Reilly on speed, same tactics, same jargon, different side, but with more obvious bias.

reply to post by rich23
a large multinational media corporation actively interfering in politics might be a Bad Thing in and of itself...




So, I guess you agree with the new administration passing a bill to indoctrinate children and people into the political propaganda that the Corporation wants, meanwhile if people, such as the people from Fox News decides to fight against this indoctrination, that it is bad?.....