Brazil president blames white people for crisis

Originally posted by BeyondBelow
reply to post by NovusInvictus

 

wow you are about as close to reality as as I am to the sun. Portugese descent is white???? are you smokin??? spanish/ dude as in the people that colonized and interbred with the brazilian population. Not white. If the were cucasian descent they would be white. Think before you puke out totally idiocy on here please. And don't insult the board and then make an arse of yourself.

I'm Brazilian, of Prtuguese descent, and completely caucasian. Which makes sense, since the Portuguese are European. Think before you puke total idiocy and make yourself look like an ignorant fool who pulls facts out of his ass. Thanks.

So, YES. Portuguese descent is white. I don't get it? Are you incenuating that they're black because everyones got some black in them in Brazil? Because that has nothing to do with this. And they sure as hell don't come from Portugal.

Ugh.

Whatever, sorry, I just had to respond because I felt offended.

Originally posted by TSOM87
Well next time when theres an international incident and the majority happen to be black, Gay or Woman, lets see if anyone singles them out!



Tsom87

Oh don't worry they would be singled out-the only reason Jews werent in the case of this particular crisis is because Hitler already went overboard doing that only fifty years ago!
White people have been scapegoating others to blame for their problems for centuries but god help if they get a taste of their own foul tasting medicine.
The hypocrisy on this thread is disturbing-god forbid a non-white stand up to the white man!
Reality is entire continents starve thanks to past oppressions and meddling of the white man.
Good on the Brazilian President

Considering it's mostly/ completely white people running those banks, I'd have to agree with him.

But it's not like black or indigenous people knew any better, or would have been any less greedy.

It's always easier to blame somebody else than to take responsibility for your own failures (and he's had plenty). Blame it on those evil white guys in charge up in the US and get the monkey off his back. What I find humorous is that he is conveniently ignoring the fact that most things he touches which enhance his life were also invented by white guys.

reply to post by Snooze


In the same way that he's relying on our failures to boost himself, you are relying on our successes to ignore everything we've done wrong. So what if we've invented things? So have black people, but you don't see them saying that whenever someone blames them for something.

Arguing that we're not at fault just because we've done some things wrong is not a very good argument at all.

Blame everything on the white man, it's easy to say "oh but the white man"
Take some responsibility for gods sake.

Originally posted by sadisticwoman
reply to post by Snooze

 

In the same way that he's relying on our failures to boost himself, you are relying on our successes to ignore everything we've done wrong. So what if we've invented things? So have black people, but you don't see them saying that whenever someone blames them for something.

Arguing that we're not at fault just because we've done some things wrong is not a very good argument at all.

It's one thing to have a complaint against our government (God only knows there's plenty to complain of there), but to blame the ills of the world on blue eyed blonds is just plain stupid. Perhaps he had another run-in with Minnesota based Cargill (we all know how many blued-eyed blonds live up there). You start trying to mess with the commodities markets and the big players over here get a little irate! And while you might not agree with my argument, I consider him a little like a PITA supporter wearing leather shoes and throwing blood on the wearer of a fur coat.

Originally posted by Tunez
reply to post by poet1b

 

Im sorry poet. But you have greatly been mislead by our western propaganda. I agree that what the Brazilian president said is racist, and those racist attitudes have no place in the world all good people are striving to achieve on this earth.
But you need to understand the backdrop of the world we live in today and recent history, which you will find at the top of every hypothetical pyramid of wealth, power and knowledge, you will find a white man, or a group of white men, or white men in majority. This advantage was obtained from advances made in Europe in all fields of human endevour from the end of the medieval period and onwards (please correct me if my histocal recollection is inaccurrate slighty), though most or some of these advancements were built upon knowledge, technology, etc obtained from sources from the muslim world and the far east. This advantage was maintained and vastly improved during the colonial period through the subjugation and exploitation of native people of around the world and their resources in their lands by European powers. Im sorry for the unnecessary history lesson but it is needed to argue my point. Today, well i hope today, most people agree that what happen was wrong, and today we should know better. But there are those who have access to the wealth, power and knowledge denied to the masses, who want to keep the "status quo", with a imperlistic manner who propagate the theory, the idea, the reality that human beings, nature, this earth is expendable in pursuit of their goals, whether it be wealth, power, or something more sinister (according to some conspiracy theories). What the Brazilian president I think (in my opinion, though I could be giving him more credit than due) is trying to get at in a roundabout way (very very poorly) that the "status quo" are still continuing an imperial belief where subversive tools of control are employed e.g. economic, political, etc, though old fashioned smash and grab is acceptable (though domestic popluations need "thought adjustment" through propaganda overdrive) e.g. Iraq (Weapons of Mass Destruction???). The ordinary people of the West have good intentions (as do 99.5% of the worlds population) displayed by selfless giving to charities. But i believe peoples (the west mainly) all over the world are awakening to wrongs being persuaded and encouraged by this "status quo" disguised in layers of propaganda on their TV's, radio's and newspapers of their domestic populations.
A fine example of this continuing imperialism is given in the documentary "The War On Democracy".
Im sorry for the length of this post, its just I got very angry, no sorry, wrong word, saddened with the ignorance laced in poet's post, that 3rd world countries are poor due entirely to corruption in their countries, yes there is corruption, inspired and nutured from the corruption that prevail in more "civilised" nations.
I hope I can be forgiven and unedited if this is a poor, or nescient post, as it is my first post.
I know we cant change history (or can they??? :@@

and I give my ancestors the benefit of doubt of not knowing better, though some would disagree with that statement. We should seek to find and understand the truth in history, indeed of all aspects of the realities in this life (and beyond). But what is vital to us alive this present day is now, and what we do now to shape our future, cause we are all connected and "in it" together on this small blue beautiful planet soaring through this amazing universe.
This post of course , is just my opinion, but I believe I have offered more truth than you find in a statement from 70% (probably too generous :@@

of politicans in power. What I ask, is fine, if dont believe me, debunk me, but find the information for yourself, learn how to think for yourself, empower yourself.
Love, Peace & Truth to you all.

I have no idea what you are trying to say. And I'm being "gentle".

Originally posted by Roufas
I also fail to see any black man owning an international bank now , I wonder why?

Oh, there ARE plenty of reasons for THAT. If the mods care to turn their heads, I would be more than happy to explain it to you.

Originally posted by Caminhando
Well, according to the article in Globo (Brazil's biggest news agency), government sources have said that even though Brown was put off by the remark, it was, nevertheless, for "domestic consumption." I would tend to agree in that it was made by the Brazilian president, in the Brazilian Capital. As a previous poster did mention, Latin America is more overtly racist in that people are categorized into levels of skin shade more so than in the US (where are black/white/hispanic/asian/jewish paradigm is less concrete, but more cultural).

In truth, having lived in Brazil, I will say that some regions are considered popularly more racist than others. However, I would say that general misconceptions about race are based on socioeconomic situations of various groups. For starters, let's remember that slavery ended a good 20 years after the US. However, despite the difference in time, in Brazil there is MUCH less taboo in marrying outside of your "race". Multiethnic children are very common in Brazil.

So, again, citing what a previous poster mentioned about higher racism in Latin America, I will say that it is more complex than just simply that. So, when Lula said, it's "white people with blue eyes", he was not (simply / necessarily) referring to the high-prowess economies in the US and Europe, but rather the movers and shakers in Brazil's upperclass elite - mostly to be found in Sao Paulo. Sao Paulo's business community is highly disproportionate when it comes to representing Brazil's ethnic diversity as many of them are "white". So even when you take any northern hemisphere's nations out of the loop, it still hits close to home for those Brazilians who are still living in squalor, poverty and surrounded by crime, and who often are not "white with blue eyes."

I don't think you can contextualize this without being in Brazil and hearing it. That being said, it probably is not the best way to go about saying it. It would have been better to say, it is a class issue...but in the end, if it's true, but uncomfortable, it's still true.

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There is even a saying in brazil , that one of the only things that can get you in jail is racism ... and not paying pension for your kids too! (especially if they are unwanted ones!)

Something for your curiosity , how translations can be misunderstood.

In Brazil , if you call someone "black" (preto) , it is actually offensive , while the word negro is used to label the race. That is common knowledge there.
You can go to jail for calling someone "black" in Brazil

In America it seems to be the other way around?

Anyways , Lula is right , but I agree that he could have thought out better ways to express himself withouth leading to a whole racism witch hunt.

I guess noone is perfect , some presidents need to be careful with translations misunderstandings , while some have to check who is the current president of a country before sending a letter there !


To those saying brazilian people hate american people , you are wrong , I invite you to go there and give me your opinion of the hospitality of the people.

I would go to the US too , if I did not have to take a bunch of visas JUST to get in an US airport for a Flight-Connection :O
Too much trouble
That does not mean the American people hates us either , just that they let their government protect them a little too much.



I also believe corruption is world-wide , you just hear a lot more of corrupt people getting caught in Brazil , because they are corrupt in a country where most people actually live badly.

As long as people are living well , they don't care. I predict a lot of 1st world country corruption being revealed soon because of this economic crisis. That should get people to become more alert (hopefully).

reply to post by HolydarknessVA


i'm pretty nearly sure it's the gray people with an all seeing eye who caused the crisis.

[edit on 27-3-2009 by ctjctjctj]

Yeah sure...

Because Brazil with Billions of acres of viable farm land and the Amazon river really would need to have actual suffering in a global collapse of the economy.

Why is it always the nations including mine (usa) that worry about the economy are the same ones that can in reality only suffer on paper?

I'm sorry

There IS NO CRISIS if your nation can provide Food, Water and Power

Crisis of greed only

The nations that will suffer are the ones that import food and have no water and rely on us and other more modern nations to bring by boat and use of oil for fuel to get it there

But really...

It's all paper for us, it's all bs...

If the crooks steal the last of our money in the US OR in Brazil and take off... the food can still be there, life will go on...

only reason anyone starves in Brazil or the USA is a retarded corrupt system that rather let food rot... than give it to it's own people.

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Old Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva... What a character.


— Doc Velocity

Originally posted by mopusvindictus
Why is it always the nations including mine (usa) that worry about the economy are the same ones that can in reality only suffer on paper?

The USA worries about its economy because the entire world relies on the stability of the U.S. economy. When the U.S. economy sneezes, the rest of the world trembles in terror.

American capitalism and technology created and refined what is now known as Western Civilization — Europe and Asia had thousands of years to develop and advance their technology and culture, yet they never achieved anything near the level of sophistication, expansive commerce and wealth that the U.S. created in a mere 230 years. Our experiment in free market capitalism launched the entire world into the modern age.

Also, with our incomparable capacity for agriculture, we feed an enormous segment of the human population around the globe, not to mention providing charity and medical assistance to lesser nations on a scale that leaves other world powers hanging their heads in shame (but still holding out their hands for the freebies). Without America, much of the world's population would simply wither away.

They don't teach this in American schools anymore, and they hardly mention it at all in the increasingly socialist global media. But the fact remains that America is still the rock upon which the modern world is founded. When even the tiniest of cracks blemishes the rock, the rest of civilization panics.

— Doc Velocity

reply to post by HolydarknessVA

Some people shouldn't be allowed to speak in public let alone actually being in public. How dumb is this guy that he feels it's necessary to blame white blue -eyed people for all our problems. Seeing as how I'm white and have green eyes at least I can't be blamed by this neurotic geezer.

reply to post by Doc Velocity


Oh I agree 100% that is the case, we do feed an enormous portion of the Earth...

What I do not believe is that our leaders actually care or most of our people... or most people anywhere

wouldn't want to guess at a %

but i'd say, most people simply are concerned for their own survival, including the president of Brazil

what ARE his reasons for this? I don't know... just felt like venting? Maybe, hard to say.

You say we are concerned because of the world... naw, most Americans are concerned with a nice car having a dinner out a couple times a week, being able to have a drink, hit a movie...

But the sad truth, our overall economic concerns are selfish

I dont think we are selfish. I think wanting a car, some good food and a movie is perfectly normal. If everyone in the world sees that as some kind of horrible immoral selfless act then thats there problem.

reply to post by R3KR


It's not at all selfish to want a car as per your example...

what is selfish is

When your power is Nuclear and costs very little to actually maintain and in essence limitless energy exists and the cars mainly are made by robots... and, we are in the process of nano tech breakthroughs that will allow robots to also mine and process the metals needed...

to claim there is an economic crisis

all i'm saying is

we have reached the future some say was promised

and we are holding on to the past

there's enough ore above our heads on the moon to build anything we want

there's enough platinum on a single asteroid to pay off the whole us debt.


Selfish is having no limitations... and claiming there are so a few men and women can keep power



Most people are just scared and don't realize it, perhaps selfish is the wrong word...

Scared perhaps is better

But... most of us live in survival mode still fight or flight

Like the one miserable hamster in your habatrail that hordes all the food or will rip out another hamsters eye for a seed it will never eat anyway

Our "economy" no longer exists... by technology, we are now capable of... ANYTHING

It's not that Capitalism has failed

It just worked and most of us don't want to wake up to how great this all can be

Originally posted by HolydarknessVA

I just think this story is completely ridiculous.

Why would it be so?

Of all of the past (and present) presidents of the United States, only five have had brown eyes. The rest have all had blue eyes, or some close variation of blue. Washington - blue eyes. Lincoln - blue eyes. Reagan, Clinton, both Bushes - blue eyes.

theottoshow.newsvine.com...

If white people screwed than black people have to fix the mess. That's why Obama is the prez. Hot and cold, sweet and sour, more and less . . . fix the mess.

reply to post by poet1b


Wonderful couterpost poet, well constructed and thoughtful. And make a very good point in indicating the vital difference was democractic institutes established in western nations had a massive influence in their success as shown in your post. Though at the onset of colonial period, the two most successful and powerful nations at this ambition were strict monarchys, Spain and France. I put this forward as counter evidence to your point for the sake of discussion alone.
Though i couldnt agree more that this type of slander occurring over our trivial differences does nothing but divide us. Another fine point you bring forth, is the writing of Jonathan Locke, another giant leap forward in political thinking and self governace and my opinion is every nation should strive to create their own constitution similar to the U.S. example which idea is expertly expressed by a few words in that famous speech by President Abraham Lincoln "Of the people, By the people, For the people". Though today I dont think many open minded U.S. citizens would believe that the constitution of their republic has been adhered to by recent U.S. governments.
Also recent and present history shows how governing bodies of nations have been manipulated and controlled by corporate interests and "secret organisations" where the interests of these instutitions are put above the interests of the citizens of the respective nation. I put this statement forward in the belief that the current capitalistic methodology that can be summed up crudely as "profit at any price", will not and cannot be sustained if the human race is to survive into the future and its home planet maintained in its present generous current state.
I also agree, I believe that the banking elite of Brazil would not consist blue eyed whites, though I have no knowledge of the banking society that exists in the referred nation. But I do believe these elites are encouraging a situation where in each individual nation, ethnic elites are created to manage and control their respective nation, who in return are "submissive" to the elites of wealthier nations and their assiocated ideas, methods and beliefs.
Though I think you underestimate the impact and severity of the actions these wealthly and powerful organisations take, to insure third world countries remain crippled, via outrageous interest rates on huge loans forced upon them, plundering of their natural resources at a pittance, and the sowing of corruption in these countries to keep them internally paralysed to this onslaught.
Also you refer to examples of success, well Canada, U.S. and Australia are hugely European in descendant, culture and beliefs due to their colonial history and immigration, so in simple terms basically became just another member to the "club". And the examples of North Korea and Japan, not taking anything away from the achievements of the people of those countries respectively, where allowed, encouraged and helped to develop to become "bulwarks", pieces in strategic positions aganist the then enemy of the Soviet Union and China on the hypothetical chessboard of this world, also represented in the rapid reconstruction of West Germany, that some term a "modern miracle".
So in summary, I agree what the Brazillian president said was wrong, racist and uncalled for. If he knows whos to blame, he should name names, instead of mindless racist remarks that if anything will cause undesired racial tensions.
Again, if any find some (if not all ) of my information or opinions wrong or misleading, I look forward to being corrected in discussion with adequate evidence, cause thankfully im human (I hope) and fallible.

Love, Peace & Truth to you all