Fluoridation's Early Trials Were Tainted!!

reply to post by DimensionalDetective


that's what i was thinking, too...

like, could it be as simple as ridding the fluoride from our water supply?

it almost sounds too good to be true, but i believe that once we can think for ourselves again, and desire to take action against the ravenous wolves that control our daily behavior and suppress our spirits, then maybe we'll all actually be able to progress on the same page, and learn to appreciate what life's REALLY about!!

they're only holding us back, when we can create our own realities/futures on our own accord!

why remain lazy and indifferent when the world around us is dying at an alarming rate?!

they've drugged us badly - some beyond repair... it's the worst kind of drug, too, making some not even realize that they're being drugged, and even worse, those that are think they're normal!

"Oh who cares?"
"I'm alright - i've got everything I need right here!"
"Why should I care about some starving country? I've got a car payment to make this week!!"
"And besides - I'm healthy! I'm not dying! Quit yer complainin'!"

...um, sorry guys, but that's the fluoride talking...


read my thread about keeping your pineal gland healthy, in my sig, and then tell me that you think you're still tip-top...

I only want to help, everyone - why disbelieve this significant issue?

[edit on 28-3-2009 by adrenochrome]

reply to post by Whisper67


which book are you referring to?

i've got a few documents about the truth of fluoridation - is it a book you wrote?

reply to post by adrenochrome


Oh I wish I were that cool.

I was referring to: Rise of the Fourth Reich: The Secrect Societies That Threaten To Take Over America by Jim Marrs. I included the amazon link in case you wanted an overview of the book.

I've really enjoyed this thread.

reply to post by Whisper67


here's a limited copy of Fluoride in Drinking Water - A Scientific Review of EPA's Standards...
books.google.com...

...gotta love factual, scientific evidence!

now put THAT in your pipe and filter it!

[edit on 31-3-2009 by adrenochrome]

reply to post by adrenochrome


There's a WHOLE LOT of disturbing info packed into that report. And yet oddly enough, do we ever see the news covering stories like this. I think not. The potential side effects read like something out of a horror novel.

"Brush Away Fluoride"

According to LCI's [Lucier Chemical Industries Ltd.]product data sheet, hydrofluorosilicic acid--or simply, "fluoride" as it is euphemistically called by its proponents-- is a "20 to 35 per cent aqueous solution. It is a colourless to straw yellow, transparent, fuming, corrosive liquid. It has a pungent odour and irritating action on the skin."

It is not a naturally occurring substance, but rather a by-product of the fertilizer manufacturing process due to anti-pollution measures. Formerly it was released as fluorine gas, until farmers in various locations who lived downwind of the factories noticed that their crops were burning, and their animals dying from strange maladies.

Scrubbers in smokestacks alleviated that problem, but created another: a fluorine-rich waste product that, because of its silicon component, is not suitable for any of the industrial processes that currently rely on fluorinated inputs.

The only use, according to LCI's website, is adding it to our drinking water.

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Because, if tradition is any guide, there will be a babel of conflicting science presented on the matter. Proponents in white coats will cite study after study that show a clear net benefit in terms of reduced dental cavities among the public, notably the poor. They'll promptly discredit any studies which show negative or inconclusive outcomes of fluoridation.

Opponents, meanwhile, will present chapter and verse to the contrary. They'll emphasize the potential harm of fluorosis, a discolouration and weakening of teeth that even proponents acknowledge as a possibility. And they'll cite studies that indicate weakened bones among those who have long histories of ingesting fluoridated water.

Somewhere along the line somebody is sure to ask another question. If fluoride is so benign and beneficial, why did the American Dental Association, in 2006, issue a guideline to mothers advising them to use non-fluoridated water in preparing baby formula for the first 12 months?

They will also point to unambiguous remarks like the following, by Dr. J. William Hirzy of the U. S. Environmental Protection Agency, March 26, 2001: "In summary, we hold that fluoridation is an unreasonable risk. That is, the toxicity of fluoride is so great and the purported benefits associated with it are so small--if there are any at all--that requiring every man, woman and child in America to ingest it borders on criminal behaviour on the part of governments."

www.calgaryherald.com...

ok, first of all, would you trust a company that's named "Lucier"?? ...sounds too much like "Lucifer" if you ask me, and their agenda seems to be about the same anyhow...

aside from the obvious that i have bolded, it still seems that, after more than 60 years, that they're still ignoring the negative aspects of fluoridation! i'm surprised to see that a doctor from the EPA is brave enough to speak the truth about fluoride so as to actually help people!

water fluoridation can't last forever, can it?!

[edit on 2-4-2009 by adrenochrome]

I don't think it's so much they're ignoring it, but rather they're quite aware of what it does, and are deliberately using it to achieve an end means.

Something is very wrong with this picture...

I can't let a fluoridation thread happen without me commenting on it. But more than that, since this is in the health and medical conspiracy forum I feel it's important for me to repeat the following tip;

Mankind's scientific prowess is NOT enough to keep us updated with the most important information. On the contrary, the most important information is compartmentalized and kept from us; even those in the "scientific community" that supposedly work directly with the substances in question, lack the tools required for empowering us with the truth.

Spend some time reading and researching for godsakes. You should be beyond the obvious disgrace of fluoridation (fellow ATS members) but if not, spend a good 100+ hours. While you're at it spend a couple more hundred on the science and politics of cancer and other chronic disease. Believe me, we are told nothing useful. This one is going to have to be your responsibility. No institutionalized information is going to assist you in a positive way.

Here's one of my favorite fluoride points, it just goes to show you exactly what we are dealing with...

Center For Disease Control in Atlanta, Ga., describes the fluoridation of water as one of the 10 most successful public health initiatives.

Good luck finding the truth about disease with these guys "on your side".

reply to post by StrangeBrew


i agree! doesn't it make you sick (literally) to continue hearing that "they" don't care about cures and really helping us, but instead focus on temporary fixes to continue making a buck?!

besides, what would they do with this perfectly good waste product? if they can't dispose of it properly, why not feed it to us to dumb us down and make money off of it at the same time?!

I remember someone arguing me to the death about how Flouridation wasnt such a bad thing and that I was wrong to suggest that it was harmful.

In your face goof!

i'm hearing that you can get Fluoride test kits from your local or state Health Departments for a small fee, and sometimes for free!

www.google.com...

has anyone tried this, or has anyone else heard anything about this?

also, I just dug this up:

"23 published studies report an association of reduced IQ with high fluoride exposure"

In the summer of 2008, the following two reports reviewed the published studies reporting an association of high fluoride exposure and reduced IQ. The fluoride levels in water in these studies range from 0.88 – 9.4 ppm.

...These studies were conducted in different areas of China, where fluoride concentrations ranged from 2.5 to 4 mg/L. Comparisons were made between the IQs of children from those populations with children exposed to lower concentration of fluoride ranging from 0.4 to 1 mg/L. The studies reported that while modal IQ scores were unchanged, the average IQ scores were lower in the more highly exposed children. This was due to fewer children in the high IQ range. While the studies lacked sufficient detail for the committee to fully assess their quality and their relevance to U.S. populations, the consistency of the collective results warrant additional research on the effects of fluoride on intelligence. Investigation of other mental and physiological alterations reported in the case study literature, including mental confusion and lethargy, should also be investigated."

"On the basis of information largely derived from histological, chemical, and molecular studies, it is apparent that fluorides have the ability to interfere with the functions of the brain and the body by direct and indirect means.

isn't the "recommended" level like 1ppm?!

...children who live in a fluorosis area have five times higher odds of developing low IQ than those who live in a nonfluorosis area or a slight fluorosis area.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

they say they need to perform more research to determine the adverse effects of fluoride, but isn't this enough to cease fluoridation? i know it's enough for me!!

how many more studies are needed, to realize that this stuff is HORRIBLE for us?! it seems that they're just continuing research to prolong our ingestion of fluoride - the more they conduct "studies", the longer fluoride will remain in our water supply!!

[edit on 3-4-2009 by adrenochrome]

FLUORIDE FATIGUE - FLUORIDE POISONING: is fluoride in your drinking water—and from other sources—making you sick?
"THE SYMPTOMS AND SIGNS OF THE CHRONIC FLUORIDE TOXICITY SYNDROME"

1 chronic fatigue, not relieved by extra sleep or rest
2 headaches
3 dryness of the throat and excessive water consumption
4 frequent need to urinate
5 urinary tract irritation
6 aches and stiffness in the muscles and bones; arthritic-like pains in the lower back, neck, jaw, arms, shoulders and legs
7 muscular weakness
8 muscle spasms, involuntary twitching
9 tingling sensations in the feet and, especially, in the fingers
10 gastrointestinal disturbances: abdominal pains, diarrhoea, constipation, blood in stools, bloated feeling or gas, and tenderness in the stomach area
11 feeling of nausea, flu-like symptoms
12 pinkish-red or bluish-red spots, like bruises but round or oval, on the skin, that fade and clear up in 7–10 days (Chizzola maculae.a They were first recognized by an Italian general practitioner, Dr M Cristofoloni, in the neighbourhood of an aluminium factory near the village of Chizzola in northern Italy).
13 skin rash or itching, especially after showers or bathing
14 mouth sores, also with using fluoridated toothpaste
15 loss of mental acuity and the ability to concentrate
16 depression
17 excessive nervousness
18 dizziness
19 tendency to lose balance
20 visual disturbances, temporary blind spots in the field of vision, a diminished ability to focus
21 brittle nails
22 repeated miscarriages or still births
23 male infertility
24 dental fluorosis with discolouration of the enamel of the front teeth, the central or lateral incisors of the upper and lower jaws

"WHAT TO DO IF THE DIAGNOSIS OF CHRONIC FLUORIDE TOXICITY IS MADE"

If symptoms remit after avoiding fluoride, little encouragement should be needed to continue to avoid it. Neither laboratory studies on animals nor data on human teeth and bones have provided conclusive evidence that fluoride is essential for life.

Rather than medication for remediation, Dr Susheela recommends proper nutrition to give a diet containing at least 1.0 g of calcium a day together with vitamin C, vitamin E, and other antioxidants such as β-carotene, glutathione, quercetin, allicin, capasaican, ellagic acid, gallic acid, epicatechin, lycopene, glucosinolates, lutein and zeaxanthin. Antioxidants are particularly important in protecting the body from fluoride toxicity. They act as “scavengers” to remove “free radicals” and occur naturally in fresh fruit and vegetables. Vitamin E (α-tocopherol), a potent antioxidant, exerts its protective effect primarily through destruction of cell damaging free oxygen species. Vitamin C (ascorbic acid) is an antioxidant with detoxification properties. Calcium may help overcome the hypocalcaemia induced by fluoride and act synergistically with vitamin C.

see also:
"SOURCES OF FLUORIDE EXPOSURE" (very thorough!)

i hope this helps! ...no sense in being numbed-up and dumbed-down from this crap anymore!!

here's the latest on the fight against fluoride, from Lafayette, Louisiana:

"Fluoridation fight takes on new intensity"

A local group that successfully fought fluoridation of Lafayette's drinking water in the 1980s has resurfaced to fight the latest attempt mandated by the state.

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"Years ago we had a group and kept it out of Lafayette," resident Jean Hunt said. She is a member of Citizens Opposing Fluoridation. "Our goal is to keep it out of the state and definitely out of Lafayette."

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"It's a poor medical practice. It is unethical. It is unnecessary," Connett said of adding fluoride to public drinking water.

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Engineers can control how much fluoride they add to drinking water supplies, but they cannot control how much water - hence how much fluoride - people consume every day, Connett said.

"You're forcing medication on individuals without their informed consent," which is unethical, Connett said.

Too much fluoride can be harmful, causing thyroid, dental and bone problems, he said.

Fluoridating water is an inefficient way to administer the chemical anyway, since most water is sent down the drain with baths, showers, washing machines and toilets, retired UL Chemical Engineering Professor James Reeves said.

Twenty-three studies in four continents show too much fluoride reduces a child's IQ and causes brittle bones in the elderly, he said.

www.theadvertiser.com...

i'd like to think more and more people are waking up to the atrocity that is water fluoridation...

personally, i don't think it could get much worse, and the anti-fluoridation movement seems to be picking up speed!

in regards to the Lafayette, LA scenario, here's an article i just came across:

"Fluoridation debate revived"

Fluoridating public drinking water is a controversial and expensive undertaking.

Just the equipment to ready Lafayette Utilities System for fluoridation will cost $654,200. It will cost another $530,000 a year to operate the system once fluoridation is added, Don Broussard, water operations manager, said.

www.theadvertiser.com...

WOW!

"$654,200" to install it, and "$530,000" annually to maintain it?!!

so they're going to spend over a million dollars to start fluoridation, but couldn't that amount of money be spent more wisely on teaching proper dental hygiene maintenance?! how much does a visit to the dentist cost these days anyway? it seems like they could fix everyone's teeth in the entire city for that amount of money!

is it just me, or is this getting even more ridiculous?! i mean, i knew water fluoridation costs a lot, but not this much!!


also, for those interested, here's another great article:
"Motherhood, Apple Pie and Fluoridation: A critical evaluation of fluoridation practices in Canada"

[edit on 27-4-2009 by adrenochrome]

Seems to me the conclusions of the report you posted do not support your argument. Did you not double check their findings?

The conclusions of the report that you posted are:

Enamel Fluorosis: ...the committee concludes that the SMCL of 2mg/L adequately protects the public from the most severe stage of the condition (enamel pitting).

Skeletal Fluorosis: ...the existing epidemiological evidence is insufficient for determining whether stage II skeletal fluorosis is occurring in US residents, so no quantitative conclusions could be made about risks or safety at 2mg/L exposure.

Bone Fracture: ...this study alone is not sufficient to base judgment of fracture risk for people exposed to fluoride at 2mg/L in drinking water. Thus, no quantitative conclusions could be drawn about fracture risk or safety at the SMCL.

books.google.com...,M1

Nice list of symptoms there. Pretty much every disease and illness known to man has at least two or three of those symptoms associated with it. How can you attribute them to fluoride poisoning? How do you make the connection?

[edit on 8-6-2009 by TheComte]

reply to post by TheComte


and which "conclusions" are you talking about exactly??

...the "conclusion" that there needs to be more studies carried out?

i don't exactly understand what you're getting at...

those findings aren't conclusive because they're not done performing studies yet...

basically, what have i said that's false?

Sorry, my reply was to this post. You seem to be happy to link to "factual, scientific evidence." I took that to mean the data would support your postition. My apologies if I misinterpreted.

Originally posted by adrenochrome
reply to post by Whisper67

 

here's a limited copy of Fluoride in Drinking Water - A Scientific Review of EPA's Standards...
books.google.com...

...gotta love factual, scientific evidence!

now put THAT in your pipe and filter it!

[edit on 31-3-2009 by adrenochrome]

reply to post by TheComte


that book's over 3 years old now, and more research has been done - maybe you should give this a read:

"Quarterly Journal of The International Society for Fluoride Research Inc." April-June 2009

...i still fear you haven't watched that video yet:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

if you have, what are your thoughts on it?

reply to post by TheComte


i understand you playing the role of "devil's advocate" to arrive at the truth, especially with that quote in your sig about "doubting" things to "inquire" about the truth, but i'm very curious - why do you support water fluoridation so much?

why do you think our drinking water should be continually fluoridated? why should we continue dosing ourselves uncontrollably with a medicine, a "rat poison"?

if you can't trust doctors, dentists, and other renowned healthcare professionals, who can you trust? the FDA, CDC, ADA, and EPA??

well, at least some of the EPA opposes water fluoridation, and the ADA is making strides one step at a time:

On November 9, 2006, the nation's leading fluoride advocate, the American Dental Association (ADA), issued an alert advising parents to avoid fluoridated water when reconstituting infant formula. According to the ADA, babies consuming fluoridated water are at high risk for developing dental fluorosis (a tooth defect that can result in staining and sometimes corrosion of enamel). The advice, however, has gone largely unheeded. Nursery Water, the nation's leading fluoridated water for babies still markets its product nationwide at Wal-Mart and other major retailers.

www.fluoridealert.org...

also, check out the EPA's lax Fluoride pesticide tolerances...
www.fluoridealert.org...