Witnesses Claim They Saw Aliens at US Bases

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One of the best posts i have read on here

The alien question buggs me but its also very interesting!!.. I try to look at this in a logical way as you did, maybe on another level but still with the logic.. here is my twist on it i guess..

Are we alone is my first question "like many" and i think we aint.. space is way to big for us to be here on our billy no mates ect,

Then the counter argument to "no life in space" normaly comes from people who are into the bible "may not be a heavy bible person" but thats there only standing argument.. "god created man ect"..

Now to move past this part and into the goverment thing, well, we know how the goverment are very much like mobsters in how the handel the public "atomic tests" how many people worked on that little project?? who couldnt talk.. i find it very easy for people to have worked on UFO projects.. "more or less same time period also" without speaking because they are told its for the better of mankind "or security" of the nation ect..

So do i think aliens are on earth, Yep, do i think goverments know or are involved "nope" do i think the people who really run our planet are in some kinda cahoots with them "most definitly" to what order of magnitude and agende is not clear to me...

There can be many reasons why humans are kept in the dark but i just point out one

Look in the mirror.. would you like to meet a human?

Ill be totaly honest "not on your life"

I think aliens "some" are interested in us and some are interested about us..

Food / interesting / and interesting is much the favour for me, the food part is much like war of the worlds, and we aint going to win that battle unless the aliens aint as smart as we give them credit for.. much like people who have phds and still talk our the arse

I dont think they are as smart as we think, and i also think we are alot more evil and smart than we think.

Afterall look how far we have come in this short space of time "intervention or creation" something or someone put us here for a reason, and one day im sure we will find out, not by our goverments telling us but by the nature of the universe in what we live..

Karma will bite us on our ass at some time regarding this question imo

or shall i say "them"

my father was stationed at china lake, ridgecrest CA. I seriously doubt there have ever been any aliens there. If you have been there you'd know what i mean. When we were there it was just after Clinton had cutback considerably on military spending and china lake was one of the bases hit hard. wasnt the most secure base i'd ever seen.
My father was working on top secret weapons systems but nothing special so who knows what was really going on there. It almost seemed like a ghost town on the base which was odd for me growing up in cherry point NC, a huge marine corp air station.
I never saw anything odd while i was there and believe me i was looking. It just had an odd feeling to the place. I wouldnt put much into this without some proof. when my dad gets back from iraq ill be sure to prod him for some info

Originally posted by drock905
So the US governemt goes to extreme lengths to hide aliens from the public. They build complex underground bases, spend trillions of dollars, Manipulate the media and politicans, they are behind the largest coverup in history of mankind.

But they let a bunch of temporary construction workers see all the secrets they have been trying so hard to keep for so long. Then they let them appear on the radio to talk about what they saw.

Really? You really think that is the most logical explanation?

How about the witnesses are just lying for attention or money. Or how about the radio station made it up for ratings?

Seems the most plausible answer to me...

Originally posted by Salt of the Earth
The reason the underground military bases are referred to as "black ops military" is because this is the secret military. Just like the Vatican has a black pope who really runs the show.

Eisenhower made a deal with these creatures who live underground to provide them with human subjects for experimentation as long as they were not harmed. In return, the creatures who live underground (who are NOT aliens, but are materialized demons or nephilim, creatures who mated with humans in days gone by and are now consigned to live underground) -- but in return, the creatures were to provide technical secrets to the government. So these creatures now have our own satanic government out abducting children and adults for the use of these slimy creatures. Some are "just" expeimented on, and others are tortured and eaten alive.

In exchange for the favor, these creatures share their supernatural knowledge (they are demons and in contact with the arch deceiver Satan himself, whose name is Lucifer), and have helped the black ops military to construct very high tech aircraft, and huge cities underground that are able to run on a cup of water. They have also built tunnels with trains that shoot through at 4,000 miles per hour, faster than a jet, and can go all over the globe quickly.

Most of what goes on in the underground bases is torture experiments for mind control and macabre breeding experiments to produce part human and part animal creatures, even mixing in bug and reptile genes into the mix. These creatures are then used as slaves and will be foisted off on us, I believe very soon, as aliens visiting us probably from Mars, since NASA is really pushing the life on Mars balogny now.

NASA is front and center in this whole evil thing, and it's no accident that NASA is run by Freemasons and Satanists and Nazis.

[edit on 26-3-2009 by Salt of the Earth]

I certainly can not speak for anyone else on this forum, but I think it would be good to provide some evidence of all this... Other than your simply typing it out.

It's almost silly as it is (whether real or not) to think our government is smart enough to outwit some of the folks who are supposedly tracking and reporting on the UFO/Alien allies debacle. It just kind of comes in under the wire as, "silly" the way you put it there with no real evidence.

BTW... Sorry if I'm offensive, but on occasion, someone has to tell the Emporer he's naked.

Originally posted by thefreepatriot
Thats why NASA is a JOKE the U.S has technology far beyond chemical rockets.... its really sad that they put the lives of those astronauts in jeopardy like that when we have technology that is safer and much more efficient.....

Those Astronauts are active in any advanced Aeronautics development, I can guarantee you that.

The reason why the Shuttle and Chemical Rockets are still used, is because they are both results of Non-Classified/De-Classified Technologies.

I understand your concern, and trust me, it angers me as well whenever some stupid shortcut now-a-days costs a NASA Pilot/Astronaut their lives or livelihood. They understand the risks however, and it is well within their ability to quit or retire if they so see fit.

The bottom line, is that the risk to the Astronaut's lives is always there, regardless of the technology being deployed.

Also, just because a Technological aspect is "Advanced", it in no way indicates that it is any safer or more reliable.

You must also remember that the advanced systems are a strategic advantage against other Nations, so if we simply begin deploying them in Publicly viewed Space ventures, then we will lose any and all advantages. If we ONLY deploy the Advanced systems, and thus we cannot do so in a Public Manner, then how will anyone justify funding NASA anymore if the Public masses fail to witness the fruition of our hard earned tax dollars?


On a side note, I hope that folks realize the main preventable factor behind the Columbia disaster was due to NASA caving in to Environmentalists, and as a result of such they ditched their more reliable form of Insulation for the Shuttle.

Originally posted by HunkaHunka

Originally posted by drock905
So the US governemt goes to extreme lengths to hide aliens from the public. They build complex underground bases, spend trillions of dollars, Manipulate the media and politicans, they are behind the largest coverup in history of mankind.

But they let a bunch of temporary construction workers see all the secrets they have been trying so hard to keep for so long. Then they let them appear on the radio to talk about what they saw.

Really? You really think that is the most logical explanation?

How about the witnesses are just lying for attention or money. Or how about the radio station made it up for ratings?

Seems the most plausible answer to me...

I second that.

What do all you guys all have against aliens? Especially the Draconian. If they are real, they are living animals like anything else.

Originally posted by sigung86

I certainly can not speak for anyone else on this forum, but I think it would be good to provide some evidence of all this... Other than your simply typing it out.

It's almost silly as it is (whether real or not) to think our government is smart enough to outwit some of the folks who are supposedly tracking and reporting on the UFO/Alien allies debacle. It just kind of comes in under the wire as, "silly" the way you put it there with no real evidence.

BTW... Sorry if I'm offensive, but on occasion, someone has to tell the Emporer he's naked.

My post is based on my research. I like to read and dig and get to the bottom of things, and connect the dots.

I don't expect people to agree with me just because I say it. I just express my opinion and if anybody is curious they can check out what I say themselves or ask me specifically to help them find a link on a certain part of my post. Those who have their minds made up and find my opinion annoying because it rocks their boat, who aren't interested in hearing another point of view, can just be insulting. To say that you are pointing out the "emperor has no clothes" I think is giving me too much credit (I'm not an emperor) and is incorrect that I have no clothes or no basis for what I say. My position is correct. The ones who think there are aliens buzzing around in their spaceships who have come to visit from Mars or Sirius or wherever, they are the ones who have been bamboozled.

This is exacatly what the evil Luciferian government WANTS you to think. They know these creatures are demons. They don't WANT people to know this. These people are very religious, but they worship Satan. They want you to think the creatures they consort with are aliens, and they are preparing the populace to accept them in thier materialized form.

What did I say that you disagree with that you are not able to find search terms to check it out yourself?

Originally posted by TheAgentNineteen
You must also remember that the advanced systems are a strategic advantage against other Nations, so if we simply begin deploying them in Publicly viewed Space ventures, then we will lose any and all advantages. If we ONLY deploy the Advanced systems, and thus we cannot do so in a Public Manner, then how will anyone justify funding NASA anymore if the Public masses fail to witness the fruition of our hard earned tax dollars?

Then whats the point of funding NASA and SETI if they are only going to waste tax payers money? I am sure these funds could be used elsewhere such national healthcare, social security and other "socialistic programs"...

If any advanced technology exists don't you think it needs to be made public eventually so that americans know they got something back in exchange for the accumulated 10 trillion dollar debt?

I can understand wanting to keep a supreme technological edge over other countries but what makes you think that these other countries don't have similar if not better technology then us? I mean after all they could be playing the same game as us and it would take a century or at least several decades to find out; time that humanity collectively could spend traveling the universe implementing *alternative 3* scenarios because we all know our planet is not "bullet proof". The international space station is a tiny first step of international co-operation but I think we need to take greater steps, much faster.

Originally posted by TheAgentNineteen
On a side note, I hope that folks realize the main preventable factor behind the Columbia disaster was due to NASA caving in to Environmentalists, and as a result of such they ditched their more reliable form of Insulation for the Shuttle.

Come on man stop insulting our intelligence. You should be blaming the government for putting excessive pressure on NASA to commit launches that should have never taken place. How many times has NASA ignored manufacter warnings?

And to be accussing enviromentalists is the last group you guys should be blaming. Everyone knows these people, despite their efforts, have very little influence on anything deemed important.

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See mentalities like this really irritate me sometimes. I have offered everything I have ever experienced and known for FREE and never revealed my identity. So tell me how people like myself are after money or fame?

People are blind to the truth when it slaps them in the face. I know a witness from that incident personally. I have spoken of what they have told me numerous times only to be completely ignored by people who claim they want to know the truth. This witness is 86 years old and one of the few that are still alive that were there that day. Not at the crash site but at the facility if you can call it that, that the victims were transported to initially.

You people keep saying you want to know.. but all you really want is a picture. When you get a picture.. you claim its fake.

When we find that smoking gun.. and yes it exists.. I bet you anything that it is treated the exact same way as all previous evidence has been. If its clear enough its fake, if its not clear its fake. You will NEVER know, because you can't handle the truth. (sorry for the cliche)

Originally posted by NephraTari
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See mentalities like this really irritate me sometimes. I have offered everything I have ever experienced and known for FREE and never revealed my identity. So tell me how people like myself are after money or fame?

People are blind to the truth when it slaps them in the face. I know a witness from that incident personally. I have spoken of what they have told me numerous times only to be completely ignored by people who claim they want to know the truth. This witness is 86 years old and one of the few that are still alive that were there that day. Not at the crash site but at the facility if you can call it that, that the victims were transported to initially.

You people keep saying you want to know.. but all you really want is a picture. When you get a picture.. you claim its fake.

When we find that smoking gun.. and yes it exists.. I bet you anything that it is treated the exact same way as all previous evidence has been. If its clear enough its fake, if its not clear its fake. You will NEVER know, because you can't handle the truth. (sorry for the cliche)

Someone is going to capture or kill one for the world to see. You watch and see. I'm surprised we're not offering bounties or rewards for such claimed prized. If there are any out there I'm not aware of them. This is actually a good time for such an event to happen because of technology such as the internet. And if Al-Qaida can operate in such a means we can do better. There should be no excuses of why it cannot happen. I truly believe no one is invincible.

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And you wonder why they don't let just anyone know they are there?

Kill them? are you serious? They are living beings just like we are and deserve the same respect we give each other.

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ALIENS ARE WORKING WITH THE GOVERNMENT BUT NOT IN A GOOD WAY.

ALIENS ARE THE FALLEN ONES. THEY WILL DECIEVE.

Originally posted by thegreatone
my father was stationed at china lake, ridgecrest CA. I seriously doubt there have ever been any aliens there. If you have been there you'd know what i mean. When we were there it was just after Clinton had cutback considerably on military spending and china lake was one of the bases hit hard. wasnt the most secure base i'd ever seen.
My father was working on top secret weapons systems but nothing special so who knows what was really going on there. It almost seemed like a ghost town on the base which was odd for me growing up in cherry point NC, a huge marine corp air station.
I never saw anything odd while i was there and believe me i was looking. It just had an odd feeling to the place. I wouldnt put much into this without some proof. when my dad gets back from iraq ill be sure to prod him for some info

You didn't see jack.There are labs and other work areas of the base that are 60 miles away from the main base that you were allowed to run around on.

There are civilian employees that park in lots at the main base and get on government greyhound type buses and it is a one hour ride to where they work at.

No civilian vehicles and you are searched and checked randomly.

Believe me I have been back in to parts of the base that I didn't realize we were still on the base and we ran into facilities.

You saw basically the tip of a very big mysterious iceberg.

Originally posted by kdial1
This story I think is completely made up, I work for Northrop grumman and have traveled to Edwards many times for work there. Nothing fishy going on there I can assure you. Somebody looking for publicity.

-Kdial1

You don't think there is anything fishy going on at Edwards do you. Another frigging civilian that can't see the forest for the trees that are in the way.

That base too is so dang big you wouldn't even be near anything odd going on.It usually takes place when you civilians are gone and tucked in to your bed for the night and it sure ain't being done on the main base.

Heck the SR-71 was built right there in Burbank in the San Fernando Valley and nobody knew it or saw it.

The F-117 wasn't built in some middle of nowhere aircraft plant.It was built by normal civilians who could be trusted and kept their mouths shut.

Here read this. These are reports by Air Force OFFICERS not enlisted men. Are they credible? You tell me.
Strange encounters at Edwards Air Force Base

Someone is going to capture or kill one for the world to see. You watch and see. I'm surprised we're not offering bounties or rewards for such claimed prized. If there are any out there I'm not aware of them. This is actually a good time for such an event to happen because of technology such as the internet. And if Al-Qaida can operate in such a means we can do better. There should be no excuses of why it cannot happen. I truly believe no one is invincible.

Old news my friend they have and they did and it has always been debunked as fake. Hell they even went to the White House and walk among us today and you don't even know it.Why couldn't they look and act and pass as human or a dog or a bird?
Or be able to just make it so your brain doesn't register their presence.

Are you that observant in your daily encounters.Do you see every homeless person or just somebody that you may not be comfortable with.We all are conditioned to look pass things that we don't like.

It has been noted before that if they are here from other parts that our sun may be a problem for them so they constantly are moving to the dark side of the earth.That is why there is so many encounters at night.

[edit on 31-3-2009 by calcoastseeker]

Originally posted by mr smith123
I agree that the contractors would get nowhere near anything sensitive, a base would surely have their own electricians/builders ect...
even a hotel has its own maintenance team.

Just had this thought of a base staffed with bio-chemists and astrophysisists and phoning out for bob the builder to give em a quote on new partitions for the level 5 lab

Not necessarily.If it was new construction it is the responsibility of the contractor and their people. The buildings would not come under the base maintenance until they were completed and inspected and turned over to the base for use.

Even after that they have a warranty contract where the contractors would be responsible for fixing anything that maybe found during a certain period.Some time for years.

It would be written in to the construction contract.

And believe it or not security on some of the bases once you're on it is not that great.people get complacent with peoples presence and well things happen.

I actually ended up in buildings and areas I wasn't suppose to be many times. We left when we realized it but it happens more than you think.

Originally posted by thefreepatriot
Thats why NASA is a JOKE the U.S has technology far beyond chemical rockets.... its really sad that they put the lives of those astronauts in jeopardy like that when we have technology that is safer and much more efficient.....

Ah but those military "astronauts" know it's a show. As for the civilian ones, they get a buzz out of the experience and are thus no different from those jumping out of a plane with a sheet of silk to stop them from dying!

So it's either part of the job or a buzz.

I would be curious to know how far the US have managed to travel so far. The biggest laugh I will have is when the chinese land on the moon, locate the Apollo landings, come back with some artifacts and then discover a sticker saying "made in Detroit 2007" !!! Ooops have I upset some folks

This post has a creepy feel to it. Many skeptics out there but we are all asking for contractors to come out and this is how it would happen. They go on a radio show, their lives are threatened, the radio show goes off air. Creepy details, thanks for the post.

Originally posted by carole9999
"We do know however is that the Dulce story was originally created by the AFOSI people in Kirtland AFB to target Paul Bennewitz; and whether or not we can prove Schneider's injuries were caused by aliens the fact that he said he participated in a fictional fight in a fictional base made up by the AFOSI doesn't really help his claim, now does it?"

That is incorrect. Fact holds that Paull Bennewitz was communicating with a presence at the Dulce base, directly beneath the Archuletta Mesa in 1978 years before he ever contacted AFOSI. When he contacted AFOSI he was telling them that he had established video screen reception with the base and that the presence was of aliens he referred to as the "big-headed Greys" (Paul was the first to receive this name and say this name to the public) and an occasional human presence. AFOSI did a good job of discrediting Paul and driving Paul insane (possibly with the aliens) to make us all forget he said that. Whether or not there were aliens at Dulce, there was a presence in the area that Paul was communicating with in 1978. Still before Paul contacted AFOSI, in late 1979, Paul was knee deep in these communications with Dulce. A retired AF Colonel who claims to have worked at Dulce states - "We knew of Bennewitz because he was partly to blame over the 1979 incident. It was his interception of Grey communications that led to fierce speculation and condemnation from the lower level Greys leading to an atmosphere of greater distrust and anger towards the dissident Greys and DSD-3." Phil Schneider may not have shot two aliens, but the fact that he was murdered in a government style fashion makes it more probable some of his information was legit, possibly his knowledge of the event that took place in 1979 at Dulce. I also find it interesting that the Colonel states "My detachment was there in cooperation and under the oversight of DSD-3 to make sure everyone was accounted for, interviewed and processed. Phil Schneider’s (name) was indeed on a list of known contractors from URS Corp, but he was not one of the processed individuals. This meant he was dead or captured. That was the assumption. There were 72 known people who had died during the altercation, and 120 who were evacuated safely to a holding area for processing before being let go via maglev shuttleout to the Los Alamos National Laboratory access point. So there were 23 unaccounted for contractors who were assumed taken to the lower levels (during the hostilities) as hostages, or were thought to be dead and also taken. This is because all levels, 1 through 3, were searched repeatedly and thoroughly. No one else was found."

I cannot say I am a believer but I can say I do not bypass what people tell me because of the few people who can be trusted.