Support Abortion? Watch this video and please defend your decisions...

reply to post by chicken on seaweed


Do you see an unborn child as a human being? Can you appreciate the significance and miracle of an unborn child?

Jeez, You kids have been busy while I was at work.

I need to catch up, but I wanted to point out something.

Anytime you argue for an extreme case to justify abortion, i.e. incest or rape, you are detracting from the issue, as well as avoiding a real stance.

You see, watching the point in the video I posted, at 14 minutes, was only to show you tat we ARE talking about a living creature. A tiny little human being. And every one of those lives are precious, no matter what their expected life will be.

Watch one sunset, have one kiss, eat one ice cream cone, and hug your mom, just once. Tell me that you would not choose life over death. Because most of you are arguing that due to socio-economic reasons, we should encourage women to consider abortion. That we are saying no life is better than a possibly tragic one.

If only you knew the pain that I have suffered in MY life. That I am adopted, abandoned by my mother. But I tell you this, even as I sit here in pain now, from a body broken by the Marine Corp, with no job, and little prospects: I would take my difficult, and painful, life over never having had one.

Take some responsibility for our actions. Practice safe sex, and don't have sex until you can deal with the prospect of having a child.
If you followed those simple rules, to the letter, We would have a tiny fraction of the abortions that we have now. Ones that even I might support. (i.e. rape or incest)

Stop attacking the morality of those who disagree with you. I am not throwing stones, merely asking you to realize what exactly a "fetus" is.

Edit to add that OF COURSE I would help a new mother. I donate my time and energy, and money to the issue. THat still does not negate the lack of "pre-planning" on the mothers part.
Like having sex before she could support a baby?

I think that might be the question one asks themselves before they do something.

Hmmm, what are the consequences, no matter how "slim" the odds may be.

Otherwise, if you engage in sex, knowing you would have an abortion if you got pregnant, then that is tantamount to pre-meditated murder.

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reply to post by jasonjnelson


I couldn't see the video. Don't need to either really

reply to post by chicken on seaweed


Go to youtube, and click search using the video title. It might be your computer?

reply to post by jasonjnelson


Yeah,it may be still don't really need to see it

When I was young and ignorant I used to think abortion was wrong.

And then one day selling real estate a young 18 yo girl was living in a one room apt with a sink, toilet, and bed trying to support her infant after her parents kicked her out for getting pregnant. She was trying to live on the meager amount of money from the govt in those days.

So I will tell you what, Christians and pro lifers. You step up and pay this women $2000 a month, and give her lots of money for clothes for her kids when they get to school so they are well dressed like the other kids, and make sure she has lots of support, and a chance for education, and child sitting services, and lots of food, and I will consider it.

However, until the day you put your money where you mouth is, you best crawl back into your hole. And adoption is a cruel emotional torment for any woman, and it should never be inflicted on anyone without freedom of choice.

Basically what you want is to drive around in your 3-4 cars, live in your suburb home, woop it up until you are 40, and then turn some poor teenager into a baby maker. You want your cake and eat it too.

reply to post by SoulOrb


I've chosen to ignore most of the others, but I'll address you and you go tell them.

Who do you think donates and supports so many young single moms and couples? Churches and other charities. So we are putting our money where our mouth is.

You really have issues, soul orb.

I think you must really, really, hate christians, to not even acknowledge their charitable work.

I just read through this whole thread, and all I really have gotten out of it is that no one's mind is being changed. All it seems to me now is a contest to see who is the best at arguing. Not trying to ruffle any feathers but have we come to any conclusions or is everyone wasting their breath?

reply to post by jasonjnelson

I am not throwing stones

Sure. You do realize birth control is never 100%. So if someone never wishes to have a child you advise that they never have sex? I just think many of your arguments are naive, of course everyone in this thread is one sided because most already believe very strongly in one thing, but the arguments you make do not fit with reality. Not everyone in the world is going to be prepared to have a baby, and there should be options for those that do not want the baby. I've posted satistics on unwanted children and what happens to large portions of them, you can choose to ignore this, but then you are not looking at the issue through unclouded eyes.

I donate my time and energy, and money to the issue.

I asked you a very simple question, do you support more tax payer money going to welfare, to house kids in foster care, to deal with kids in the prison system, to give these kids counseling, and to help them go to college? It won't just be you, the more unwanted babies the more a society as a whole if forced to take responsability for them.

Edit to add: I find it really sad that you dismiss the rape and incest argument. It is an important one for those who believe in pro-choice. There are many people like me who only support abortion within the first trimester but ALSO only support it in the case of incest or rape, so this is part of the issue, whether you like it or not.

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reply to post by jasonjnelson

Who do you think donates and supports so many young single moms and couples? Churches and other charities. So we are putting our money where our mouth is.

The same churches that support a lack of sexual education, (one of the main reasons we have the highest teen pregnancy rate in the US) you mean those churches? What churches are you specifically referring to?

reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage


Obviously, you didn't comprehend my statements.

I said that I do not think it fair to base the abortion argument an such a small statistic.

I did not minimize the significance, and I must remind you that you do not know me.

I will say that again, so as to avoid your issues with comprehension; You do not know me.

You can assume all you want about me, but try reading all 1500 of my posts, then get back to me.

Rape and incest make up a tiny portion of the overall abortions performed.

What you are left with are bad decisions.

And if a woman never wanted to have children, she could have a surgery. (just because you asked.)

But we cannot argue, as in the end, it all comes down to the fact you don't consider the growing baby to be a life worthy of rights.
I only posted the video to see if someone who supported abortion could explain to me afterwards what they saw in that video? How could they defend abortion?

But once again, go back to your christian bashing, and your extreme examples, to support your views.

It still doesn't answer the question.

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reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage


So now we attack a church for their views, but yet you fail to acknowledge how much they do to support them?

And let me ask you a question. If a person having sex cannot stand up to the consequences, and birth control is not 100%, then why are they having sex?

REALLY, think about that question before you answer it...

Originally posted by jasonjnelson
reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage

 

Obviously, you didn't comprehend my statements.

I said that I do not think it fair to base the abortion argument an such a small statistic.

Actually I don't know it's a small statistic. I've seen prolifers say this and post surveys but I know two women who have gotten pregnant through rape. Most rape victims do get the day after pill which would decrease rape pregancies but even then the church is against the day after pill too. Small statistic or not it happens so you can't just dismiss the issue because it's inconvenient to your cause.

reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage

And if a woman never wanted to have children, she could have a surgery. (just because you asked.)

Again this is simply not realistic. How are all of these women suppose to pay for such a thing? What if they change their minds afterward?

It's not Christian bashing if it is honest. You are not even being honest, you are talking about something that conflicts with reality.

How did I attack the church? I stated the problem with their views, again this is fair to bring up.

If a person having sex cannot stand up to the consequences, and birth control is not 100%, then why are they having sex?

Because people do not fit into a perfect world, they are imperfect people in an imperfect world and there are plenty out there who enjoy sex but do not have the means to raise a child and may even be at physical risk if they decide to bring a pregnancy to term. Is it the most responsible thing? No, it is not, but it is what it happening in the REAL world and will always be happening until the world is perfect, which it will not be.

I still have yet to hear a reasonable argument for all the unwanted children. You can say that they should be born no matter what but have no alternative for them, once someone actually creates a successful system that does not result in so many unwanted children struggling the way they do then I might change my mind on this issue. So far it is mainly people who simply think they can judge the pregnant mother and do little else.


And I asked for some church names, which you deflected. Where are all of these great churches and how many of them support birth control and sexual education?

Also, I'd like a straight answer about the taxing issue. Please.

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The link doesn't work. It says there's malformed info. I do, however, have a hankering for some hamburger all of the sudden? Mmmm, hamburger.

reply to post by sinister_scarecrow


I've asked a mod to fix that, sorry about the link issues.

I was pro-choice until a few years ago when my pro choice friend needed me to support her and go with her to get her abortion. There is a certain smell that death has and it surrounded me in the clinic to a degree where all I could do was run to the bathroom and get sick repeatedly until I was forced to sit in the car. She had to go at the abortion alone with the support of strangers.

I had never bothered to watch an abortion video. About a year ago out of curiosity I decided I could handle seeing it.

That pretty much sealed the deal for me.

Now, I won't ever tell another woman what she should do with her body or her baby. That's her own choice and I would not stand in the way of her freedom. I would never do anything to try and take away a woman's choice.

Originally posted by chicken on seaweed
reply to post by chicken on seaweed

 

Do you see an unborn child as a human being? Can you appreciate the significance and miracle of an unborn child?

I guess this is a half-glass empty, half-glass full situation because, I am not so positive about it. I see an unborn child as a monthly free payday for any woman who desires more cash. Really, I don't know what I am so negative about, that never happens right? Women having babies to get more money each month? HMMM? Nah, I didn't think so, must be the imagination working overtime. To answer your question, that's what I see. Can any woman out there understand the significance of my wanting to keep my money for myself for once? If women wouldn't take such a necessary need of men and exploit it by setting them up, telling us "I forgot to take my pill" (even when the guy constantly reminds her...what's wrong with that picture?), or "your condom must have had a hole in it"(and us guys don't know that trick, even a responsible guy gets taken out all the time) or "I feel this baby will bring us closer together" (translation: let's have some uhem, insurance for me before I leave you for my next paycheck) etc. we wouldn't be having half of these abortions. I realize there are rapes and prostitution (again her fault for being out there manipulation yet again the cash from men). These should be delt with on a case by case basis. But if women will stop sexually manipulating men and expecting FREE CASH all the time by popping out kids.....we wouldn't have half the problem. WE ALL KNOW THAT WOMEN ARE THE LAST AND FINAL SAY SO WHEN IT COMES TO SEX AND THAT MEN ARE NOT IN CHARGE..SO DROP THE ACT. Just watch anyn talk show where women are looking for the baby's father and all you hear is, IM GONNA GET YOU FOR CHILD SUPPORT, IT'S ON NOW! You're gonna pay! Despite the fact most children on those things aren't even the child of the father being accused. But for the ones who the baby belongs too. His life is now destroyed because of her greed. It's the fault of careless, greedy women for the most part with the exceptions of thos men out there who would embarass and make all men pay for their sins. They aren't men anyway, they are cowards.


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reply to post by sinister_scarecrow


huh? men are responsible for their own seed. If you don't want it sprouting don't plant it.

2nd line.

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reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage


I will name two, easy.

Walden First Reformed Church, Walden, N.Y.
Trinity Lutheran Church, Walden N.Y.

These are two churches I belonged to that both adopted young mothers. You are making an uniformed statement. I don't believe you have ever looked at the many, many ,many ministries that support and offer assistance to those in need.

But enough about me, how about you? What have you done lately?

Saying that it is human nature to have sex, therefore we are not responsible for the accidents that happen?

Face it, getting pregnant and keeping the baby is a difficult decision, and it is a hard to deal with all of the stress that comes with a baby.

But I cannot see trading a new life for the hard work that follows making personal choices.

Extreme examples should not create this type of result.