DHS watching your ammo purchases as we speak

From a NY state newspaper. It sounds like one of the hundreds of now common "gun sales surge" articles until.......

One northern Warren County resident found out recently the government is paying attention to such ammunition sales.

West said a customer of his recently stocked up on .223-caliber rounds, a caliber often used in assault-style weapons. The customer bought 1,000 rounds a few months ago through a mail order company.

Shortly after the purchase, he received a visit from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, whose interest was apparently piqued by a large-scale purchase of that caliber.

"His wife was home. He was at church," West said.

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Holy freaking crap.

Well why wouldnt they be suspicious about so many rounds that are specifically for an assault type weapon?

You dont need an assault weapon to go hunting, or for that matter, to simply have a means to protect yourself or your family.

I too would be suspicious. No reason to hord so much assault ammo for an assault weapon. Makes one wonder if this fella intends to go assault someone or go on a shooting spree.


Cheers!!!!

reply to post by RFBurns


1) 1,000 rounds is not very much if you shoot regularly.


2) The "assault type weapon" crap you took straight from the article.

I dont want another pointless "assault weapon" waste of space to go on but in the interest (hope) of enlightening the ignorant here are some rifles that fire .223:

www.gundirectory.com...

www.gundirectory.com...

www.gundirectory.com...

1000 rounds..well lets break it down..

20 rounds mags. 50mags =1000 rounds..
on any day an avid shooter could blow out 5 mags an hour easy..shoot 5 hours saturday 5 hours sunday..Thats an easy 1000 rounds..

5-20 rd mags an hour is a very conservitive number also..

reply to post by thisguyrighthere


Do you assume that the fella that stocked up on 1000 rounds of .223 ammo, which is classified as assault ammo, has no other style of weapon than those you linked to?

The guy very well might just have a simple single bolt action rifle that fires the .223 round.

Perhaps that is what they wanted to know. But what difference does it make anyway? I am sure that it would raise a few eyebrows and concerns if someone were to go stock up on a truck load of fertilizer and does not own a farm or sell to farmers or ranch owners.

What do you consider as "shooting regularly" anyway? Target practice? Shooting cans off a fence post? How many rounds does it take to shoot at a watermelon or practice shooting at a target out at a shooting range?

How fast do you go through 1000 rounds with a single bolt action rifle at a shooting range or taking pot shots at cans on a fence post?

I doubt this means anything, or would mean that big bad G-Man is doing anything to worry about. I dont see any problem with them knowing how much ammo you buy..whats the big deal? It shouldnt be any big deal..unless your doing something that gives them reason to hound you in the first place.



Cheers!!!!

[edit on 24-3-2009 by RFBurns]

reply to post by thisguyrighthere


True, .223 ammo is often used to shoot vermin
that dig holes through ditches on a farm.
2nd line here.


[edit on 24-3-2009 by dodadoom]

Sometimes, when people start flapping there mouths about assault weapons, my head wants to melt into a puddle of molten horror. I mean...MY GOD PEOPLE! So what you're telling me is that since .223 is a popular "assualt rifle" round you are suspicious, but if I go to a distributor and buy a thousand rounds of ...I don't know, 12 gauge shot, you won't notice?
This article raises my eyebrows because 1000 rounds is insignificant. That's not eve close to an adequate stock pile of .223 ammo. So the question is: is this article full of crap? If DHS is going to investigate a 1000 round purchase than I should have the feds all over my door. Maybe this is just a test by the feds to see who will reply that 1000 rounds isn't much. Trying to guess at what kind of restrictions they will be able to pass without full on revolt?
Perhaps this article is using made up info? Some libtard is sitting in his office trying to think up a HUGE number of ammo and thinks "who on earth would want 1000 rounds...lets use it!"
I hate all the violence, war, crime, oppression. I hate the gangs shooting each other all day. Guns are an absurd abomination of the nature of conflict which is in itself an abomination of human spirit. But they exist. The A bomb exists. It's all real. Hatred and intolerance are everywhere. In you and me. I think I would rather not have a gun. I think I would rather live a life of peace. It worked for people in the past. If you decide, though, to choose the way of the gun, than you damned well better know that it's gonna take at least 1000 rounds just to fully get used to and break in your weapon let alone master it.
So there.

lol, a 1000 rds. Thats absolutly nothing, it's a case of ammo. Most avid range shooters buy in that quanity and usually just not one case. And .223 is just about one of the most popular rounds.

love the artical though, it hits all of the scary talking points that will make some crawl under their beds in fear.

Oh, and if they come knocking, answer the door, say "because I can, 2nd amendment, read it, thank you, good bye".

Nazis.





[edit on 24-3-2009 by Tyr Sog]

reply to post by RFBurns

I am sure that it would raise a few eyebrows and concerns if someone were to go stock up on a truck load of fertilizer and does not own a farm or sell to farmers or ranch owners.

So you're comparing someone buying a truck load of fertilizer, who DOESN'T have a farm , to someone buying ammo that DOES have a gun? Haha that's funny.

Here's a question for ya: How would you like it if Children's Services came to your house and wanted to make sure you aren't molesting your kids?

It shouldnt be any big deal..unless your doing something that gives them reason to hound you in the first place.

Your words, not mine.

Originally posted by Redpillblues
1000 rounds..well lets break it down..

20 rounds mags. 50mags =1000 rounds..
on any day an avid shooter could blow out 5 mags an hour easy..shoot 5 hours saturday 5 hours sunday..Thats an easy 1000 rounds..

5-20 rd mags an hour is a very conservitive number also..

Great Point

In a ONE Hour session at my local range, My Father and I went through a 100 Round Brick, using an Autoloader .22 Pistol. So if we visited the Range on 10 Occasions, for an Hour each time, then we would go through 1,000 Rounds as well.

NOW, taking that into consideration, imagine if the individual in question possesses an AR-15 with a 20-30 Round Magazine, and you individuals less familiar with firearms can see how easily someone can go through 1,000 Rounds.

Also, what if the gentleman lawfully owns a Full-Auto with a Class III Permit? Then he could easily go through 1,000 rounds in a day or so.

People buy bulk ammo to save money, per round.
The more you buy the cheaper it is.
Like beer
For DHS to be suspicious of only 1000 rounds.
Is stupid.
People commonly buy 10000 rounds to last them over a period.
Perhaps when people buy bulk knitting needles, they should investigate them?
Perhaps they plan to stab many people?
Perhaps all farmers who buy bulk ammonium nitrate to feed there corn, are terrorists going to make some bombs?
DHS = SS

I think the article is a fake. How often do you find the wife at home and the husband at church by himself? Do you think Homeland security would go to somebody house on a sunday( since this is the most probable day he went to church)

If it is true I'm sure there is more to the story then what is being told. He could have made 100 purchases of 1k rounds of .223 ammo from different online sites and they were checking on him to see if he was being an ammo reseller or some type of nut. As with any story I'm sure we are missing facts.


They have much larger fish to fry then somebody who orders 1k rounds these days.

All you pepole seem to overlook the fact that it obviously caused suspcion with the DHS. To you, it might seem like no big deal, but to them, apparently it wasnt.

But as I said, whats the big deal anyway, why bother posting this if you all dont think its any big deal to you right now? Just look at your replies here, prancing that its nothing, just a case of ammo, no big sweat. Yet then you all turn around and say "watch out now big G is watching how much ammo you buy"...like as if you truely are worried about it.

So which is it...no big deal like you are all playing here in this thread, or is it really something to be concerned about and you all are just nit picking to star one another?

Make up your minds. Either its something to worry about, or it isnt and we can all go on to other important issues.




Cheers!!!!

reply to post by RFBurns


Hey dont throw me under that bus !

I think we are missing real facts. If they are starting to watch for people even buying 1000 rounds of .223 ammo then I would be a little concerned. I wouldn't be worried about finding ammo or them knocking on my door, I would be worried about watch logic they have to think they would need to make that contact. That would mean they are either

A) very worried about a possible situation happening very soon

B) following up for some type of plot

C) very bored and why are we paying for their services

I don't think we are missing to many facts at all.
In fact im sure this is happening to many people right now.
Who don't even come on the internet and don't even know how to come here and tell anyone.
And not just with ammunition, with many other things.
Its just another case, of the government abusing and infringing on peoples rights.
Guilty, then prove yourself innocent.
People no longer have any rights, its do as we say, or suffer what we do to you.
That is not democracy, that is nationalist socialism just like Hitler.
It makes a mockery of all the brave men and women who fought and died against the Nazi's, to try and give there offspring a better life.

So, are dealers reporting ammunition sales to the DHS? If so, are they required?

I bought a box of 9mm recently, and nobody asked who I was.

reply to post by RFBurns


I can see monitoring a felons purchases, I can even see monitoring
certain items, but since when are we suppose to be ok with them
ignoring the privacy act of 1975 ?

Innocent til proven guilty ?

Probably cause ?

With this reasoning lots of bullets = domestic terrorist.

Bunch of nut bags.

I have a couple of problems with this one.

DHS wouldn't care one about your firearm buying habits regardless of what conspiracies there are. It falls under the purview of ATF with a much lessor player involving the FBI, if any domestic terrorism, is suspected.

1000 rounds does not meet any threshold for unusual purchase of ammunition. I base this on bulk purchases are routinely made by the ten's of thousands of rounds by some gun clubs involving this very caliber. 1000 rounds sounds like a large amount to people who have never shot guns or live in countries where ammo and firearms are highly regulated.

I feel the gun store owners got a little carried away with having a reporter asking him for an opinion. He made up some anecdotal story to scare people to stir more interest in buying firearms and ammo.

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I laughed till I cried !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a great post~!!!

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