Uk Terror Threat " Is Growing "

Originally posted by budski
The biggest social experiment of our time is coming to a close as "new" labour slowly lose their grip on power.

This social experimet was never designed to help the people of the UK, but was designed to propel us into an orwellian state of total control over every aspect of our lives.

For get the "new" labour tag - that was just spin.

What we have been seeing is old socialists verging on communists who haven't changed their spots since being long haired students who wanted to put the world to rights and remake it in their image.

Sorry Budski, I couldn't disagree more.

I'm not sure how this is a 'communist' issue or even how these are "old socialists". Much of what New Labour has done over the last decade or so isn't socialist by any means. Much of what they've implemented has been through back door privatisation through Private Finance Initiatives and 'Trusts'. The only time they've appeared to 'nationalise' anything is to have taxpayers bailout bad banking and prop-up and perpetuate economic ideologies that are anything but 'socialist'.

We're living in a society where the 'people' - ie you and me - are becoming oppressed, controlled and have less and less of a say in anything and through bailing out the # ups of a bourgeoisie are destined to a life of paying to and for the rich. How is that socialist or communist?

You'd have something if you were suggesting that we were moving towards a form of totalitarianism but I completely disagree with ideas about 'socialism' and 'communism'.

reply to post by teapot


That seems to be a recuring theme that happens in peacful protests. Something or someone crosses the line and all hell brakes lose.

Just out of curiosity did you ever go to a protest again??

I wondered whether been involved in something like that would put peacful people off from protesting again in the future.

reply to post by Merriman Weir


Sorry merriman, I should have been clearer - I meant Blair and his cronies version of what they see as socialism.

i.e. a system that taxes heavily and creates a system of control, by whatever means they deem necessary.

This is modelled on the old soviet socialist republics - top heavy beaurocracy that achieves little except new laws and the means to direct the populace in a manner of their choosing, whilst at the same time increasing employment through artificial means.

note to self: Don't assume people know what you mean

reply to post by Funklestiltzkin


There were 3 anti poll tax marches in London that year and I attended each of them.

March 2 attracted those who clearly had no opinion of the poll tax and were there for the violence. the mood was dark, and the rioting/fighting between the 'people' and the 'police', was more 'organised'. There were a lot of (plain clothed) police amongst the marchers. Organised intelligence gathering?

March 3 was the most peaceful, I saw a young policeman attempt to arrest someone in the crowd for shouting 'pigs', and a more mature officer restrained him! At the rally at the end of the march, delegates appeared to be made up of the political classes and not so much ordinary people.

I think that whatever action the 'people' take to demonstrate lack of support for the 'man', the man will draft strategies to undermine the people, the moral majority, the righteous cause. By labelling the truth sayers as mad, subversive or criminal, the man subverts the attention of the people. The 'majority' will melt away and (wisely?) keep their opinions and protests to themselves and within their own domain.

reply to post by teapot


I guess thats checkmate then. We are destined to always be outsmarted and out manouvered by the political elite and the rich.

The way it has always been, the only difference been.... well there is no difference except the fact they have run out of resources to control, The oils running out, the grain and wheat lie in tatters across the baron, flooded plains of Asia.
The battle for control of the dwindling water supplies, filtration systems, resovoirs and dams hasn't even begun yet. Rothchild and clan have already got the new energy market stitched up.

So is it everyman for himself?

or

can change really happen with out an uprising?

I feel angry and hopeless. It is actually soul destroying to think that nothing can be done. Perhaps that is what they really want, to erase your will to live.
Destroy from within.
Not me though I'm a fighter!!

Growing?


That is to say that each day we come closer to the next terror attack.

But how does that make today any different from any other day.

Time is linear.... we are always getting closer and the threat grows each day until the event happens.


So why bother writing an article like this unless it is fear mongering?

This is just another stage in the plan to control every aspect of society by further exploitation of peoples fears culminating in people not only meekly accepting, but actively requesting a reduction in their own civil liberties and increasingly repressive and draconian laws and regulations.

Our children are being force fed a politically correct version of history through the national curriculum whilst being conditioned not to question.

This is complemented with the dumbing down of society through inane and unchallenging MSM which drip feeds mind numbing nonsense like BB, X Factor etc to the masses who are happy with their diet of nonsense and wine.

In adition there is an active effort to deny people from meeting to discuss any issues by limiting our rights to meet, discuss and protest.
This also manifests itself in the concerted effort to abolish one of the corner stones of British society, the local community pub where people meet and talk to each other about LIFE.

By increasing people's fears they stay indoors in their own little bubble where their life can be controlled and monitored even further.

This is not a New Labour specific thing; there is very little difference between any politicians nowadays with Cameron attempting to be a virtual clone of Blair.
They are all carear politicians, from similair backgrounds with a common purpose.
There are no 'people's politicians' anymore.

Is there a terrorist threat?
Most definately, without a shadow of a doubt.
Is this manipulated and exploited to further hidden agenda's?
I certainly believe so.
And it is all so transparent if only people would open their eyes.

reply to post by Funklestiltzkin


Do not be disheartened.

Resistance may appear futile, but the Truth is a living entity whose very nature is disclosure.

And no matter how 'the man' may work to subvert and control the people, there will always be dissent, even if beaten into silence. Think of Vietnam. 'The man' had no idea how to fight an invisible enemy (guerilla warfare).

Terrorism is merely a tool of the enemy. And whilst the 'developed west' enters into a period of infighting and the human construct of 'market' (free or otherwise), is exposed as a sham, the ideological enemies of the 'developed west', can employ the age old strategy, divide and rule.

Terrorism is merely a tool of 'the man' and of 'the beast'. Subvert 'the people' from the truth that the systems they have believed in will afford them freedom, freedom of movement, freedom of choice, freedom of thought, are a sham, focus attention on external threats.

reply to post by Free4Ever2


"There are 2,000 individuals they are monitoring. There are 200 networks. There are 30 active plots.

Wow their so precise, I wonder how they get all this information Its like Big Brother all around!

If these are serious threats and not just made up numbers then I would be surprised. Still nothing beats stopping people who blow things up, whatever the 'plot' was.

reply to post by Free4Ever2


Excuse me but how is this 'breaking alternative news' and not fear mongering by the OP, this story is from the 13th of April 2008...

I'm all for bringing attention to current events but to recycle old stories as breaking news is stupid, misleading and repeating the exact fearmongering lots of us take issue with.

As for April the 1st it seems the Met, MSM and SIS actually want riots, I for one will not be suckered into rioting in the square mile.

wait till the london games the bombs will be blowing again i suspect this is why there might be a slight increase in terror activitty i imagine london will be a fortress simmilar to the apec summut cagged fence that was built arround sydney this fence doubbled either side of the road i imagine london games will be the most heavilly monitored city in the world with police on ever corner armed 24/7 most of the terrorism will be around the less occupied areas farm2.static.flickr.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink">farm2.static.flickr.com...

Originally posted by mrlondon
reply to post by Free4Ever2

 

As for April the 1st it seems the Met, MSM and SIS actually want riots, I for one will not be suckered into rioting in the square mile.

Same here, live in the police state that is london, and it seems the police want all that to happen. There of course will be provocateurs sent there from the police to start any trouble if it does start. Personally think people are stupid if they get involved, when the police want them to do it.

Good thread - starred and flagged.

I saw her on the BBC this morning and she was saying "AN INCIDENT" - what fu( king incident exactly?!?

If something happens now they KNEW IT WOULD and CHOSE not to tell us.

60,000 people have been trained for this incident and it's gone ever so slowly (edited:QUIETLY) under the radar. The MSM have been asked (I would suspect) not to disclose details for fear of letting the terrorists (maybe even MI5, as we know they replaced the IRA in Britain YEARS ago). know that they are prepared and thus change the method of attack.

I don't like, nor trust Ms Jacqui Smith. She's evil, corrupt and you only have to see a couple of interviews (even just one) to fgind yourself asking "How can a LABOUR minister be this much of a pompus 'them and us' type fo tw @t?!?!". I know Blair distanced himself eventually from majority of people, but she is NOT fit to take over from ANY leader, unlike her post would suggest.

Prepare for Britain's 9/11; Unseen previously. Unquestionable eventually.

**Edited for typos!!!

[edit on 24/3/2009 by bingmat]

reply to post by mrlondon


I was tempted to go to London on April 1st, now, no chance.
I firmly believe in direct action, however this reeks of a set up and let's face it, how many times before have UK governments used agent provocateurs to stir things up.

Originally posted by bingmat
Prepare for Britain's 9/11; Unseen previously. Unquestionable eventually.

**Edited for typos!!!

[edit on 24/3/2009 by bingmat]

I've often wondered where this would take place. I think one of this countries biggest faults is that it's incredibly London-centric. I really can't imagine that many people south of the Watford Gap would really care that much if anything really happened to the any of the northern or midlands cities. Some would obviously, but the belief that the north is 'not as important' is pretty endemic amongst the public and politicians. Therefore any false flag would lack any real impact.

Yet, at the same time, I can't see many politicians actually giving the go ahead to anything of that would really see the destruction of anything too historical, cultural or 'touristy'. I think a lot of London landmarks would be ruled out for a start as well as anything that's 'been in the family for long' that might be privately-owned but publicly funded.

All that leaves really are things like railways and airports. Could they get away with this given the measures that are (said to be) in place already?

It never ceases to amaze me how the threat of a terror attack always goes up just as us mere mortals reach new depths of loathing for the so-called, War On Terror.
I've also read many a post discussing the possibility of future riots and protests on the streets of the UK. Over the weekend George Galloway was on Talk Sport radio openly describing himself as an agitator and asking people to show their discontent with what is going on in the country and demonstrate. All it needs is the government to place one or two agent provocateurs into the crowds to cause trouble and all hell will break loose this summer.

Operation Blackjack anyone....

Originally posted by Mintwithahole.
All it needs is the government to place one or two agent provocateurs into the crowds to cause trouble and all hell will break loose this summer.

Precisely. People need to realise that certain agencies DO plant people amongst the crowds to cause havoc.
This achieves two things... mass arrests (information) and also discredits the group.

reply to post by mr-lizard

This achieves two things... mass arrests (information) and also discredits the group.

It's worse than that my friend. In the current financial mess we're in, and the probability that crime will rise as more and more people find themselves out of work and thrown onto the scrapheap, all it will take is one or two fatalities in a riot and the government will be able to instigate new laws banning us from the right to demonstrate or gather in public in huge numbers. We could be playing right into their hands. . .

reply to post by Merriman Weir



I wonder that - hopefully it won't be the second city Manchester.

If they do let something happen in order to gain more control, I think it will be a "lesser city" like Bristol, where everyne has six fingers already (kidding).

Seriously though, I wonder if this isn't just propaganda to gain supoprt for contnued presence overseas...OR a clampdown on freedom of speech...

She mentions in the SAME breath, the recent anti-troop/islamic protests...

“The civil challenge means that, if people feel it appropriate to demonstrate against our troops coming home from defending this country abroad, we – as Government and others – will say in turn that we think that that’s wrong"

Now I find it hard to condone those people for protesting troops who are just doing their job, and exercising their right to freedom of speech, but those troops would gladly die tomorrow in defence of the british Muslim RIGHT TO PROTEST against them - the very people who they are protesting against.

Government should be protested against - not our army!

...and, this woman isn't to be trusted. Clearly.