Dow Suing Canada Because Quebec Bans Controversial Pesticide

TiredofControlFreaks

Well I live here in Quebec, Montreal, so your lashing out like this is quite annoying, especially when WE have a chance to reject poisons, from Shallow Corporations. Were are you from?

We can make our own fertilizers and control our own weeds. Safe for all lifeforms.VLQL

good luck

[edit on 25-3-2009 by HulaAnglers]

Is this Monsanto at work again or what? Nasty, evil corp they are, I'm really not sure if this is their doing.

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Sad part is so many people are obsessed with having a "living rug" that they poison their children, pets, and water supplies to get it.

I really REALLY hope Quebec wins this.

If they are forced to by, heaven forbid, hopefully they can unload the poison in a cave somewhere.

This is the aspect of free trade or nafta that makes the entire document null and void, with no penalties to get out of it. If even one clause in a contract is illegal, the entire document is. There is nothing over the head of a sovereign nation, nothing that can interfere with its ability to construct bills or laws for its people, save the people interferring. No corporation, no foreign body. Any such clause is TREASON. Treason is an illegal clause that immediately makes the entire document null and void. Do they do anything about it. Apparently not.

Me, I'd be ripping up the whole contract and telling them to send their representatives my way with my police ready to arrest and try them. Oh, and by the way, that makes all of the signatures subject to arrest as well, on those contracts. I have no problem with that.

[edit on 25-3-2009 by mystiq]

If you look up the meaning of the word "fascism", you'd have a hard time finding a clear definition. It's not really an ideology. It's not a political movement. Hitler even described it as "a world view".

But basically what it really boils down to is that it's government run by the corporations. It's a situation where the corporations get so big that they can tell the government what to do. And the corporations are all more or less in bed with each other and therefore plan and scheme about the way things will be run. Anybody ever heard the word "Bilderberg?"

Yup, this is Monsanto all over again.

Personally, I hope the government of Quebec not only stands strong in court, but launches a countersuit akin to a nuclear bomb on Dow Agro Sciences and it's mother Dow Chem. And throw in a claim for an extra billion for arrogance and aggravation.

at 00;50 of this video, bill HR 875 is explained - growing organic is illegal in the united states, that is why they are bullying the Canadians, and tell me this whole thing is not a conspiracy matrixnewsnetwork.com...




Monsanto's dream bill

con.ca...

[edit on 29-3-2009 by HulaAnglers]

My Opinion

Whether people want to grow green or use pesticides I beleive neither should be curtailed.

It's called freedom people and were losing more and more of it with every law that is passed.

It's a slippery slope people and whether it's banning going green, banning smoking or banning pesticides. each notch weakens our freedoms.

my opinion

Yes. I agree. Freedom is on the decline, but all of humanity will reach freedom of the mind in the not so distant future. We just need more awareness, followed by full blown consciousness.

Consciousness is the only way to achieve liberty and freedom.

Originally posted by Miishgoos
Whether people want to grow green or use pesticides I beleive neither should be curtailed.
It's called freedom people and were losing more and more of it with every law that is passed.
It's a slippery slope people and whether it's banning going green, banning smoking or banning pesticides. each notch weakens our freedoms.

I am by no means supporting Dow, so don't get me wrong...
But does anybody else see a degree of irony here regarding personal freedom, when Quebec's language laws are taken into account?

Freedom is freedom, right?

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

I am by no means supporting Dow, so don't get me wrong...
But does anybody else see a degree of irony here regarding personal freedom, when Quebec's language laws are taken into account?

Freedom is freedom, right?

Language law? i don't see the point to that phrase. We're talking chemicals here, not language issues. I speak both English and French, but it has nothing to do with the issue in this thread.

Peace

Your freedom to use pesticides ends when it interferes with my freedom to not having them run into my yard or well or to not smell the fumes they give off when you attempt to bug proof your lawn.

Bugs are a part of nature. Get used to it.
Weeds are a part of nature. Some of them are pretty on their own. I tried to plant that Creeping Jenny (or whatever its called) into my yard. It is low growing, green and has lovely little pink flowers. Dandelions should be considered a food crop. Nurture them - the whole plant is edible. So are some of the thistles - the Common Sow Thistle is one of them. Has sweet tender leaves in Spring, but gets thorny & bitter when the weather warms.

Don't like it - move to a condominium.

Originally posted by teklordz

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

I am by no means supporting Dow, so don't get me wrong...
But does anybody else see a degree of irony here regarding personal freedom, when Quebec's language laws are taken into account?

Freedom is freedom, right?

Language law? i don't see the point to that phrase. We're talking chemicals here, not language issues...it has nothing to do with the issue in this thread.

I was addressing the following statement:
"It's a slippery slope people and whether it's banning going green, banning smoking or banning pesticides. each notch weakens our freedoms. "

The poster was talking chemicals and freedom...and a slippery slope. My comment regarded freedoms. Relax...I'm not hijacking the thread, mon ami.

Originally posted by OhZone
Your freedom to use pesticides ends when it interferes with my freedom to not having them run into my yard or well or to not smell the fumes they give off when you attempt to bug proof your lawn.

Bugs are a part of nature. Get used to it.
Weeds are a part of nature. Some of them are pretty on their own. I tried to plant that Creeping Jenny (or whatever its called) into my yard. It is low growing, green and has lovely little pink flowers. Dandelions should be considered a food crop. Nurture them - the whole plant is edible. So are some of the thistles - the Common Sow Thistle is one of them. Has sweet tender leaves in Spring, but gets thorny & bitter when the weather warms.

Don't like it - move to a condominium.

Look at Dubai, this type of place would be perfect for all those chemicals, and fake lifestyles, Import fruit trees and spray them all you want. How much desert and treeless rock do you need, water can be redirected, and so can all the Idiocrates and Capitalists!

In my plan, no need for ecocide or genocide, people get to live green if they wish,(imagine that) or move to the concrete jungle.

But I do not know where to put the warmongers and sadists though...they destroy everything, and need so much room, they are out of place like Dinosaurs

Originally posted by OhZone
Your freedom to use pesticides ends when it interferes with my freedom to not having them run into my yard or well or to not smell the fumes they give off when you attempt to bug proof your lawn.

Bugs are a part of nature. Get used to it.
Weeds are a part of nature. Some of them are pretty on their own. I tried to plant that Creeping Jenny (or whatever its called) into my yard. It is low growing, green and has lovely little pink flowers. Dandelions should be considered a food crop. Nurture them - the whole plant is edible. So are some of the thistles - the Common Sow Thistle is one of them. Has sweet tender leaves in Spring, but gets thorny & bitter when the weather warms.

Don't like it - move to a condominium.

My Opinion

So freedom ends at your property? just because somebody doesn't like something I guess everybody must stop doing it.

Well lets reverse the situation what if someone dislikes bugs and weeds? I guess your freedom to have bugs and weeds in your garden runs out too eh?

But it really doesn't work that way!!! complain loudly enough and somebody will make a law against whatever your little heart desires.

By the way when I am using the words "you" and "your" etc I'm speaking in general terms as in the royal "we" lol.

But hey that just one man's opinion

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The ban on herbicides is solely an emotional response due to passing of misinformation. The reason Dow is sueing is there is no scientific evidence whatsoever to conclude that Herbicides sold by DOW pose any serious health consequences for humans. Their herbicides are some of the most studied chemicals and not one lick of solid evidence has been found to link these chemicals to human disease.

Why is it we are not banning fast food (McDonalds, Tim Hortons)? We should ban alcohol. We should ban SUVs and Trucks. These items all pose scientifically proven dangers to human well being. So really what is going on here is a group of people creating a fear situation that is a pure speculation at best.

Its all a matter of risk and reward. Antibiotics, Soaps, Chlorine, Pharmaceuticals, Makeup etc etc. These are all toxic to humans if used and disposed of improperly. Why are these chemicals ok? And not something that prevents millions from starving (closer to billions).

People ought to understand the science before they jump to silly conclusions.



Herbicides prevent world hunger.

Makes not the slightest difference whether one country believes what study versus another country or province accepting another studies outcome. Sovereign nations determine their own statutes, laws and regulations. And any clause in NAFTA that allows corporatons to sue a Soveriegn nation's right to enact its own legislation, and try it before a corporate tribunal as the infamous clause in NAFTA does, is TREASON. Treason is illegal. Any contract or legal document that has even one clause or line in it that is illegal, is null and void. Therefore, NAFTA is null and void. All signatures should be examined carefully as to whether they should be prosecuted.

[edit on 3-6-2009 by mystiq]

there was another thread a couple weeks ago,.,,,,

i believe monsanto is suing GERMANY,,,, a country for crying out loud,,,,, for not allowing gm crops to be grown!!!!!!!


maybe they can sell it to the poor farmers in india-----who are drinking the pesticides to commit suicide because the gm cotton,,,or whatever crop didn't grow




and this thread today,,,, the science on gm foods-----not good!!!

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