Were the Roswell visitors from future Earth?

Mr.Green,I dont remember who I was with I always assumed it was the same group that I was aware of.The ship was round really saucer shaped,grey in color,and really flimsey,from my kid perspective I couldn't believe we were even in it at all considering where we were, it was that flimsey,seemed small,windows all round the ,circumference.

I saw our approach and the time it took to get there wasnt in line with the distance away we were and at that age I still had no real clue exactly how far away the moon was,I just knew that we were there way to fast and that we hadnt travelled fast at all,our ship was to flimsey to go that fast.
I'm not sure if the only views I had were out the window,I think I was also shown video ,live video of the ship I was in as it was travelling.

What I am saying is that figure it out how you may,but we went way to far to fast in way to short a time span.

The time it took to get there was irrellevant as was the distance.

I havent given these particular memories a lot of time and attention,I will focus on them a little more and see if I can recall more info.

Originally posted by game over man
Visitors from future Earth to prevent the Germans from winning the war is very interesting. Also the idea we are seeing a lot of ufos who are really visitors from our past is also very interesting. Those two points got me leaning towards the possibility of time travel.

So you think Roswell was to do with altering the time line of the Second World War? This is a post I made in a thread on the Nazi UFO conspiracies

www.abovetopsecret.com...'

On one of my threads a while ago some one posted that the Nazis found a whole load of tall greys nearly dead in a cave in Germany. They said they took all their technology and objects from them and based their Uniforms on them, which is why they wore grey uniforms. At the time I thought it was real stupid but who knows. For some reason I just always remember that post as it was so far fetched it most probably had some truth in it.

They never said if any of the Tall Greys actually lived or if they all died within that cave.

as I say in the quote this story has always remained in my memory , not sure why maybe because its so different. Maybe they did travel back due to the nuclear threat in this war Im not sure. This would explain why they hadnt come back to alter previous wars outcome, or maybe they did and they just didnt crash in those wars.

I believe that roswell was a crash caused by our fledgling tech or a natural weather anomaly that downed the craft,I believe that hitler definately pursued archeological tecnology resaerch with a passion and on a global scale,I believe that the technology that germany was already beginning to implement at the end of the war was of an OLDER THAN OURS BUT RE-DISCOVERED technology.I believe that the Roswell craft was of the same design as the craft Hitler was attempting to duplicate.I believe that Hitler and Germany then as the US is now were TRYING THEIR BEST TO STEAL,CAPTURE,SHOOT DOWN OR IN ANY WAY GET THEIR HANDS ON TECHNOLOGY BELONGING TO THE HUMANS WHO ABDUCTED ME.

Hitler knew about the other human race and he also knew to follow history to re-discover their artifacts and technology that were simply left here only to be found by those who knew where to look.

The US has many craft,some crashed by weather anomolys,some shot down,some probably were in collisions,some were probably hi-jacked by military commandos,some were probably stolen or bought from other countries,WHAT REALLY MATTERS THE MOST AND SOMEHOW IS THE MOST COMFORTING TO ME IS THE FACT THAT THE US IS HAVING AS MUCH TROUBLE GETTING EVERYTHING OR FOR THAT MATTER REALLY ANYTHING THEY WANT FROM THESE PEOPLE.

I am not sure I can choose the perspective that time travel is possible yet,everything I experienced was earthly,human or a reasonable facsimile of normal.

The only times I recall a disturbance that may or may not have been time travel related[I dont mean manipulation of time in our own immediate vicinity] was transit from the craft during returns from abduction and when we left earth as we travelled.

I had a very strange visitor from australia who "found"me on a massive work site,claimed he knew me and that we would meet again,the guy knew intimate details of my life that are impossible for anyone to know ,THATS ALL I KNOW or I would have told him to grasp himself where he pees and brushed him off as a lunatic,well I listened ,he told me a lot of things that opened my mind,things like simultaneous realitys all connected to each of us individually and timelines being like threads that operated in a similar fashion,millions and millions and trillions of them.

Nothing is set in stone ,we CREATE OUR PHYSICAL REALITY AS WE GO,WE CANNOT CREATE EARTH CHANGES BUT WE CAN MODIFY ONES THAT ARE COMING IF WE SHARE THE COLLECTIVE REALITY THAT THE COMING CHANGES ARE REALLY COMING.We can move onto any timeline at any time and we do it collectively as a species by the intent of our thought ,if we dont have a clear and honest perspective of our current reality ,IF WE ARE LIED TO,we become something akin to a blind man driving a car careening down a winding mountain road with his only connection to reality being the voice of his cheating wifes divorce lawyer on his cell phone TELLING HIM WHERE TO STEER THE CAR.Do you see my point If the blind man regained his sight he would be able to drop the cell phone and have the power to save his own life by defeating NATURES challenges[the road,weather ect.] NOT THE LAWYERS CHALLENGES[all of the lies and deception that can only be "created"in the human mind,or with the human mind].He just needs a little luck to make sure the sun isnt to bright and that he doesnt oversteer when he first sees the road in front of him.

We need a little luck to,but fortune favors the brave so all we can do is what humans do best,march forward,learn,adapt,survive.

We can and have to change the things we can and even if we do that there is still the chance that earth changes will wipe us out.

We have to bring our collective GLOBAL perspective or REALITY ON-LINE AT ONE TIME AND THEN WE CAN MODIFY OUR PHYSICAL REALITY AND AVOID DESTRUCTION BY EARTH CHANGES.

That global perspective may be that earth changes are coming and five billion of us will die unless we build an Ark that can orbit earth or shelters on the moon where there can be no weather changes.

If this is what our collective choice to accept as our reality is ,then that will be a future for us that does not include extinction.I'm all for it,in fact any "thread" or whatever that includes humanity has my full support.

If we all continue to exist on or in our own individual realities and allow our governments and powermongers to decide our direction as a species we will surely all perish,BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENTS AND POWER STRUCTURES WE ALL HAVE TODAY ARE DESIGNED TO BE SELF-PROPOGATING----WITH OR WITHOUT THE HUMAN SPECIES BEING PRESENT OR EXISTING AT ANY GIVEN TIME.

They arent looking out for humanities long term best interests they are looking to "create"the best scenario in which they GET TO CONTINUE TO EXIST.

Not in which humanity gets to continue to exist.We have created monsters big enough to get us all killed and now we have to wish them away ALL TOGETHER ALL AT ONCE AND THAT WILL BE OUR FUTURE.

The monsters are any power structure that interferes with the PURE UNADULTERED FREEDOM OF EVERY HUMAN ON THE PLANET TO HAVE AN EQUAL AND TIMELY VOTE IN HUMANITIES DIRECTION AT ABSOLUTELY ALL TIMES,NO MORE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PEOPLE CREATED IN ORDER TO PROVIDE A MANIPULATION OPPORTUNITY THROUGH "THE LITTLE BIT THAT IS LOST IN THE TRANSLATION OF THE PEOPLES WANTS INTO REALITY".

Lets all wish together.

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The US has many craft,some crashed by weather anomolys,some shot down,some probably were in collisions,some were probably hi-jacked by military commandos,some were probably stolen or bought from other countries,

Hi

if this is true and if this is what happened in the 1940's/1950's why doesnt it happen so much now? I know they are better at hidding these things through the media now and make things so difficult to get to the truth, but even so you'd still have some eye witnesses, so why arnt these craft been shot down, in collisions, stolen, hijacked any more?

I also see your point on how a group/collective mind thinking can be powerful enough to move us through to the next time line, Im sure there is much truth in that.

These craft are in fact being seen,photographed,video taped,tracked on radar,chased by fighter jets,followed by private planes and avoided by commercial airlines,and spotted by men in space.

These things have been increasing in frequency SINCE THE FORTYS AND FIFTIES,there have even been mass sightings over MAJOR CITIES.

How long does a twenty dollar bill lay on the street after it is dropped?

We know the answer is mere seconds because of its value.

Imagine the extremes government AND MANY PRIVATE BUISNESSES AND INDIVIDUALS NEVER MIND OLD STYLE GROUPS LIKE MASONS would go to to posess or to capture this VALUABLE type of item?

Were you curious about why we dont have stacks of flying saucers laying around?We cant even find planes that crash when we have a general idea where they were before we lost contact.

Originally posted by one4all
Imagine the extremes government AND MANY PRIVATE BUISNESSES AND INDIVIDUALS NEVER MIND OLD STYLE GROUPS LIKE MASONS would go to to posess or to capture this VALUABLE type of item?

Were you curious about why we dont have stacks of flying saucers laying around?We cant even find planes that crash when we have a general idea where they were before we lost contact.

I guess this is right, we often cant find our own crashed aircraft. Seems there have been many crashed with bodies recovered, most bodies are stored in the UK it seems for some reason.

The following is a preliminary list of UFO crashes throughout the world. Currently, little is known about most of these crashes. However, we are making an effort to post any information that we come across from newsgroups to eyewitness reports.
Most physical evidence of these crashes have been confiscated by the government; however, not all evidence is in their possession. In the past, the government's central archive of UFO wreckage was Wright Patterson Air Force Base, Dayton, Ohio. It has been reported that most of the alien bodies have been sent to Great Britian for storage and examination
www.ufoevidence.org...

In some cases up to 9 live ETs were captured. If true this sort of thing is just not right, it should never be kept from us. Never. It is our right to see and know of any live being that is taken and experimented on. What we do to these beings is probably not good and then we wonder why we are badly treated when we get abducted



[edit on 5-5-2009 by Mr Green]

When you cast your vote in support of any government THAT IS NOT A GLOBAL DEMOCRACY you are giving permission for your governments to lead you into whatever reality of future they choose and they will do this by manipulating innformation that you recieve,simply because this information is all you have to base your reality on,hence they are the masters and you are the slaves.

How can anyone line that sows ear with so much silk??

Admit what is happening to us all no matter what current government we support,we are all being manipulated and enslaved,but worst of all we arent really getting to know each other because if we did we would all be friends.

We are being controlled just enough so that we will keep on creating a reality that SOMETHING NEEDS TO SURVIVE IN.Milked like cattle,used like horses that are bled for their curative bloods medicinal properties,except we are spiritually being bled this way and only being given enough air to to simply survie,and for so long that we have forgotten our true identitys.

Thats what being a slave is my friends,thats what being controlled truly is,I hate the way it tastes!how about you?

Originally posted by one4all

We are being controlled just enough so that we will keep on creating a reality that SOMETHING NEEDS TO SURVIVE IN.Milked like cattle,used like horses that are bled for their curative bloods medicinal properties,except we are spiritually being bled this way and only being given enough air to to simply survie,and for so long that we have forgotten our true identitys.

Thats what being a slave is my friends,thats what being controlled truly is,I hate the way it tastes!how about you?

well maybe its not like this in future Earth, maybe thats why they tryed to alter the time line, to stop all this control getting so bad,to stop us ending up like complete droids.

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Greys from the future......One of many possible theories, also looking glass is interesting but have any of you ever heard of BST (Blank Slate Technology)........That one is very interesting and has been confirmed to me by my source, as well as the collaborating evidence on it.(Search ATS for thread)

As far as how far in the future.........try around a billion years


It is evolutionarily feasible that far in the future that we could evolve into that form. Also one must take into account that the Greys form is reported to be
due to major genetic manipulation, anyone ever notice how they resemble an human embryo?

I don't think they are time travelers though, but it is possible, there are some nice theories out there in support of it.

Originally posted by jkrog08
reply to post by Mr Green

 

Greys from the future......One of many possible theories, also looking glass is interesting but have any of you ever heard of BST (Blank Slate Technology)........That one is very interesting and has been confirmed to me by my source, as well as the collaborating evidence on it.(Search ATS for thread)

As far as how far in the future.........try around a billion years

Very interesting thread you have there. You state this...

Apparently this BST or 'blank slate technology' is a type of time travel utilizing some principles of quantum physics and other extremely advanced disciplines.It allows for the "altering of time at certain concentrated points in the time stream called casual energy" or "event strings".Thus allowing whoever possess this technology to go back and change any undesired timestream,directing it in a better direction and effectively make and civilization who possess it undefeatable.The following is some information I found about 'blank slate',

According to Daniel Salter another whistleblower with long military service which included a period in the National Reconnaissance Office, extraterrestrial related issues drive human-extraterrestrial cooperation in a clandestine organization in the National Security Agency called the Advanced Contact Intelligence Organization (ACIO). [56] According to leaked information from an alleged whistleblower on a popular website called the Wingmakers, information which Salter affirms to be accurate, ACIO is cooperating with a consortium of extraterrestrials to develop sophisticated time travel technologies for future extraterrestrial threats

So what you/they are saying is we along side an ET consortium are developing time travel to counteract future ET threats. Plus they are also able to come back and alter time lines at very important points in history and change them. Thing is who decides what an "undesirable time line "is I wonder?
A billion years seems very far in the future for aliens to come back and alter our history, youd think by then they wouldnt care what time line we were in. Maybe thats what they did to the dinosaurs, decided they had to go so went back in time and killed them all off. Is any of our history true history then if ETs are able to come back and alter it? It is odd that Roswell happened at a very important time in our history I must admit.

Im sure aliens do understand physics better than us so anythings possible. The question is are they US from the future rather than aliens from the future, Im sure if we were given a billion years to evolve we wouldnt even look remotely like a human anymore. Even the Greys look too similar to be us in a billion years . I think by then we'll probably be pure consciousness floating around in a bubble !!!

[edit on 9-5-2009 by Mr Green]

From a certain point in human history we SOMEHOW developed a VERY inequitable system of leadership or government.

If we go back to the point in time when there was a DRAMATIC technological LEAP in human society you will find that the circumstances surrounding this leap will be "like"circumstances that preceded and followed other "leaps'in tech within our societys.

Lets start for example with gold,simply because it is the cornerstone of our monetary system and has been VERY IMPORTANT for thousands of years.At what point in time did man begin to value gold and why?How possibly was mankind able to mobilise enough people to organise societys like we have had in the past?By using gold or money in order to create an intrinsic inequity within society which in turn would motivate many many people through GREED ONE OF OUR STRONGEST EMOTIONS.

You see I dont believe that it is natural behaviour for humans to live in large cities and in squalor when there is enough space and resources for all to share equally.It was necessary to create a false or contrived SENSE OF NEED WHICH KICKS IN HUMANITIES STRONGEST EMOTIONAL RESPONSES,which in turn makes us vulnerable to being manipulated enmass.

This leads to the crux of the issue.It is not natural for us to behave like we have been,but here is a theory.What if you inserted say three or four hundred "today" or simply smarter people into a primitive society on another planet that would be equivelent to our pre-historic society,then you began to systematicly manipulate this population with a long term,say thousand year agenda.You would always need to maintain control through a VERY SMALL NUMBER OF PEOPLE ,leaders of some type that the masses would listen to to some degree.

At what point in time did humanity make this "choice"to be ruled in essence by a VERY SMALL NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS??

What would your ultimate agenda be?Resources?The work mining these resources?If you had so much tech you wouldnt need this many people would you?In fact you could probably accomplish your goal of aquiring resources with a relatively small number of "smart"people and as many "dummies" as need would dictate.

When you had accomplished your goal of utilising these resources you would likely go back where you came from,I know we would,possibly leaving behind a vanguard outpost.

You see we start out small and we aquire in a COMPLETELY OUT OF SYNCH TIMELINE tech,society,medicine,utilization of resources,ORGANIZATION BEYOND OUR ABILITIES BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT OUR ABILITY TO ORGANIZE IS INEXTRICABLY TIED TO THE POPULATION OF THE PLANET,THE MORE MINDS AND IDEAS THE MERRIER.

Then we continue to MULTIPLY IN A HAPHAZARD MANNER WITH UNRELIABLE ORGANIZATION.

Then we again re-aquire organization and begin another cycle of collecting the earths resources.This time with billions of us present on the planet.


This repeats itself throughout our history.But there are always "dark"periods,irregardless of the population dynamic.How could that be?And the world population is obviously grossly out of control.

But look at all of the resources we have collected and continue to collect at an amazing rate?What are we doing it for?Who are we doing it for?It isnt us because we HAVE NEVER REQUIRED THESE THINGS OR THESE IDEAS.

WE were here as normally evolving primates,they showed up,they found us here,they needed our resources including our mammalian butts,they surveyed,they planned,they took some of us and up-graded our genetics to make us smart enough to do their bidding and not much more than that as per their needs,remember we are viewed as only a resource not as sentient beings.They gathered the resources they required using us as slaves but probably not even giving us enough consideration to view us as even slaves probably as less than slaves.When they were done we had been taught many many "out of the proper timeline ideas and technologys" the things they were forced to teach us through organization as per their needs. They then simply left without a care in the world for our well being.

BUT,as we have learned in so many instances,NATURE ALWAYS FINDS A WAY.We did not perish in fact we thrived.

We are not supposed to be here now.We are not supposed to be this advanced in these physical forms,BUT WE ARE.

This is part of the "problem"we represent to SOMEONE.As we increased in population,into the millions we began to progress at a hugely accelerated rate,to the point that I WOULD NOT WANT TO BE PART OF THE VANGUARD OUTPOST ANYMORE,WOULD YOU?

We are many,we are ,smart,we are dangerous,we are survivors,we are unbalanced because of our genetic interference ,some powers in the galaxy consider us to be sentient ,our "creators"who didnt expect us to "perform"quite this well view us as less than slaves and would choose to destroy us because we are evidence of their interference with the natural evolution of US.But we have progressed so far on our own that OTHER CULTURES HAVE BEGUN TO ACCEPT US AND PROVIDE US WITH THE ABILITY TO DEFEND OURSELVES AGAINST OUR CREATORS IF NEED BE.

We also have a globally terminal amount of nukes spread around the planet in case we need to destroy it completely as a last stand.

Top it all off with cyclical earth changes that periodicly wipe us out.

Top that off with war.

Top that off with interference from other races from other places.
Top that off with our lack of honesty in our governments

The roswell visitors were and are part of that vanguard.Our governments know this and they are aware of the vanguards presence,and they are ALWAYS trying to capture people and tech for their own uses,this started when we developed the capability to interfere with their "drives"on their craft.We have really used their tech to develope our own hybrid tech AT WARP SPEED.

As nature usually does it OUR TECH HAS FAR SURPASSED THEIRS IN SOME AREAS AND IS BEHIND IN RELATIVELY FEW AREAS.

But then there is 2012,isnt there? We can rest assured that NOBODY GETS LEFT BEHIND,they are coming back just like we would,but things have changed dramaticly havent they?

We are not defenseless,in fact we are possibly equally as dangerous as they can be.

The abductions are part of a survival program for them and us.

reply to post by one4all

We are many,we are ,smart,we are dangerous,we are survivors,we are unbalanced because of our genetic interference ,some powers in the galaxy consider us to be sentient ,our "creators"who didnt expect us to "perform"quite this well view us as less than slaves and would choose to destroy us because we are evidence of their interference with the natural evolution of US.But we have progressed so far on our own that OTHER CULTURES HAVE BEGUN TO ACCEPT US AND PROVIDE US WITH THE ABILITY TO DEFEND OURSELVES AGAINST OUR CREATORS IF NEED BE.

very interesting post, but how do you know all this? Is this your theory, how do you know they did not expect us to survive and now they come back and find we have it is a problem..how do you know this?

I know this because I fight against government , media, and corporate orientated dis-,and mis-information every day in order to view the world around me with an open mind.

I was also abducted as a child and implanted with a nasal implant that was designed to hold open my window of maximum learning LONGER THAN NORMAL.Not better or different ,ONLY LONGER than normal.

I have started having meaningful dreams the last four years,especially since I FINALLY FOUND PEOPLE WHO HAVE SIMILAR EXPERIENCES TO MY OWN.Many fractional memories have become more complete with little bits of stimulus I have garnered from others experiences.

I have a dream book that I keep beside my bed and I am often jolted awake in the night to write down theories or accurate terminology which has no apparant meaning until I research it the next day,THEN THE RAMIFICATIONS ARE MINDBENDING.

I'm talking about things I research through absolutely conventional ,accepted,methodology.I acess university and technical institutes,textbooks,published papers,and any other related resources I can get my hands on.

Including ATS.


Put it this way,were you brought up with ANY TYPE OF RELIGOUS DOCTRINE PRESENT IN YOUR HOME OR STRONGLY INFLUENTIAL IN YOUR LIFE OR COMMUNITY?----Lets erase all of that for a minute ok!now lets pretend that you were brought up without any religous brainwashing at all,dont get mad I haven't attacked religon---yet.

Lets get some facts straight before we continue,facts as I see them ,first of all no one on the planet today has seen or spoken to Jesus,or God.Thats a fact.No one on the planet today has a lock of Jesuses hair or one of Gods furry slippers.Thats a fact.Every major religon on the planet today is based on FAITH,in fact,BLIND FAITH.Therefore billions of humans practice a religon of one form or another THAT IS COMPLETELY AND WHOLELY BASED ON A STORYBOOK OR A SERIES OF MORALITY BASED FAIRY TALES.This is a fact.I personally view religous doctrines as if they are all lessons given from the same textbook but interpreted and repeated from many different perspectives,BUT ALL WITH A COMMON BEGINNING OR INIATION.

We have already established the facts to support the statement that we are dealing with BLIND FAITH here,right?

If you were to go back in time to the very FIRST instance that YOU had the thought "where did we all really come from"what do you think your first guess would have been IF YOU HAD NEVER BEEN BRAINWASHED INTO BELIEVING THE WORDS OF ANOTHER MAN THAT WERE PRESENTED TO YOU IN ORDER TO MANIPULATE YOU INTO SERVING THAT VERY MAN WHO REPEATEDLY SPOKE THOSE WORDS.

Be as honest as you want or can be under the circumstance.If you have any religos background at all you will probably be having a hard time right now.

Face it there are BILLIONS OF HUMANS WHO SUBSCRIBE TO A REALITY BASED ON BLIND FAITH WHICH IN TURN IS CREATED AND USED AS A WEAPON OF SUBJUGATION AGAINST HUMANITY.

I was abducted and taken to the moon,I was in a spacecraft,I saw human races we have not been told exist,I spoke to people,I was offered a chance to leave with them,I was implanted with devices,I was given the gift of learning.

To someone who CHOOSES TO LEARN A RIDICULOUS AMOUNT BY VOLUME this is a gift,to someone who hasnt chosen TO LEARN AT FULL THROTTLE it can at times be bloody torture.

The more we learn the more moral we become ,the more we learn the more we understand and care about humanity,THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGON OR GOD.

In fact God and religon as it has been sold to us does the opposite,it sanctions the taking of human life in the NAME OF BLIND FAITH.It creates war and worse than that it creates A BELIEF IN MEN THAT THEY HAVE A DIVINE RIGHT TO KILL AND INFLICT MISERY ON EACH OTHER IN THE NAME OF A GOD THAT WOULD NEVER ENCOURAGE US TO DESTROY OURSELVES..

This is a universal sin of garantuan proportions.

I know these thing BECAUSE I MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE TO KNOW THESE THINGS,I TRY EVERY DAY TO VIEW MY WORLD WITH AN OPEN MIND.


Lets see if you want to be available,I DIDNT MANAGE TO OBTAIN A LOCK OF ALIEN HAIR WHILE THEY WERE SHOVING INSTRUMENTS INTO MY BODY,NOR DID I MANAGE TO PILFER ONE OF THE CAPTAINS SLIPPERS,but I was still abducted by a group of several co-operating human races.As a direct result of thiis abduction I have information no other human I have ever met can have,I have been forced to become more "moral"through forced-learning as a child,I often have dreams that tell me things that are TRUE EXACT AND VERIFIABLE.

Do you believe me more than you believe in the religous doctrines you read about every day??I am here the bible is not,I am here Jesus and God are not.


A yes or no answer please,then any follow up you feel is needed.

Originally posted by one4all
I know this because I fight against government , media, and corporate orientated dis-,and mis-information every day in order to view the world around me with an open mind.

yes I can see how this would be true to one that was aware of their lies.

I was also abducted as a child and implanted with a nasal implant that was designed to hold open my window of maximum learning LONGER THAN NORMAL.Not better or different ,ONLY LONGER than normal.

Yes. I havent heard of this before but it makes sense that your window of learning was prolonged. What about people who are abducted as adults though such as myself. My window in childhood closed before they came, maybe I just cant remember them as a child. I often wonder if childhood imaginary friends are infact aliens then in later life we just remember them as friends from our imagination.

I have a dream book that I keep beside my bed and I am often jolted awake in the night to write down theories or accurate terminology which has no apparant meaning until I research it the next day,THEN THE RAMIFICATIONS ARE MINDBENDING.

I used to do this and yes it did make sense reading it weeks later.

--Lets erase all of that for a minute ok!now lets pretend that you were brought up without any religous brainwashing at all,dont get mad I haven't attacked religon---yet.

Its fine I see religion as a matter that gets in the way of truth, however I will never attack it as it provides much comfort for many. For me it puts a haze over everyones thoughts so much they loose their ability to question all, but I just leave it at that, I will not go an and out and out attack on it as thats wrong. Its not for us to alter others beliefs, it is up to them to see their truth.

Lets get some facts straight before we continue,facts as I see them ,first of all no one on the planet today has seen or spoken to Jesus,or God.Thats a fact.No one on the planet today has a lock of Jesuses hair or one of Gods furry slippers.Thats a fact.Every major religon on the planet today is based on FAITH,in fact,BLIND FAITH.Therefore billions of humans practice a religon of one form or another THAT IS COMPLETELY AND WHOLELY BASED ON A STORYBOOK OR A SERIES OF MORALITY BASED FAIRY TALES.This is a fact.

Yes you are correct all of the above is fact. No one has ever seen Jesus or God, all those that saw Jesus are now long dead. However what you refer to as God (creator, being, source, one) is FELT by many many people. To feel the source is not blind faith because it becomes a knowing once felt.
The source just is, it is not a religion or blind faith it is the creator of all and some call this creator God, so for me, no this is not a blind faith because it has an energy that can be felt. The energy of the source is not a blind faith but I agree it is also not a religion.

If you were to go back in time to the very FIRST instance that YOU had the thought "where did we all really come from"what do you think your first guess would have been IF YOU HAD NEVER BEEN BRAINWASHED INTO BELIEVING THE WORDS OF ANOTHER MAN THAT WERE PRESENTED TO YOU IN ORDER TO MANIPULATE YOU INTO SERVING THAT VERY MAN WHO REPEATEDLY SPOKE THOSE WORDS.

recently I have had all blind faith in religion removed from me, call it awakening, call it whatever, but I have started to see things far simpler than society makes them out to be. We are all so confused by all the information we are given, its all given to control and confuse. Without these controlling words from man I know we all came from one source. Now if you mean who "created" our bodies, then that may be another answer as it may have been aliens, but for me this does not matter because in the end ALL IS ONE. Who cares who genetically created who, for in the end it is our spirit that matters and not who created our bodies.

Be as honest as you want or can be under the circumstance.If you have any religos background at all you will probably be having a hard time right now.

No, as I say Im fine with whatever, because I know we are all one. By accepting this and having it as a knowing within me I am having quite a good time experiencing the Universe without the fear following a religion brings. I have found that if I follow a wrong path my being tells me immediatly and I stop.

Face it there are BILLIONS OF HUMANS WHO SUBSCRIBE TO A REALITY BASED ON BLIND FAITH WHICH IN TURN IS CREATED AND USED AS A WEAPON OF SUBJUGATION AGAINST HUMANITY.

Yes you are correct. All the above is correct.

I was abducted and taken to the moon,I was in a spacecraft,I saw human races we have not been told exist,I spoke to people,I was offered a chance to leave with them,I was implanted with devices,I was given the gift of learning.

Sounds amazing! Id like to hear more about your experiences there sometime.

The more we learn the more moral we become ,the more we learn the more we understand and care about humanity,THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGON OR GOD.

God or being has everything to do with everything. Do not confuse the biblical word God with the meaning of the Universal Being or Creator. God in the biblical sense has been over used and manipulated beyond words.

In fact God and religon as it has been sold to us does the opposite,it sanctions the taking of human life in the NAME OF BLIND FAITH.It creates war and worse than that it creates A BELIEF IN MEN THAT THEY HAVE A DIVINE RIGHT TO KILL AND INFLICT MISERY ON EACH OTHER IN THE NAME OF A GOD THAT WOULD NEVER ENCOURAGE US TO DESTROY OURSELVES..

Just as I said above the biblical (and other sacred texts) meaning and use of the word God has been abused and manipulated to become a tool of control over man. It is used to create war , death and misery of this there is no doubt. The true unconditional love of the one creator has nothing to do with any of this manipulation and control. This control is man made.

I was still abducted by a group of several co-operating human races.As a direct result of thiis abduction I have information no other human I have ever met can have,I have been forced to become more "moral"through forced-learning as a child,I often have dreams that tell me things that are TRUE EXACT AND VERIFIABLE.

No I do not believe you have information NO other human has. No one knows any more than any body else, we all have all we could ever need deep inside all we need to do is unlock this knowledge, so no I do not believe you are THE only human with this information.
I believe you when you say you have been abducted, but no one should ever think they have information NO other human. Dont get angry with me, its just thats how I see it Im not attacking you Im giving you my answer.

Do you believe me more than you believe in the religous doctrines you read about every day??I am here the bible is not,I am here Jesus and God are not.

Correct Jesus is not here and you are. he lived 2000 years ago. whether we believe him to be a man, alien or son of God your right he isnt here and you are. However God ( Universal creator) is, the creators being is ALL around for ALL to feel and connect to. Just meditate for a month and the unconditional love of the creator will find you, open your heart to its frequency of love, but you must open your heart unconditionally.

I dont need any religious doctrines all I need is the light of the creator.

I am spiritual and NOT religious, there is a difference. If your alien friends told you there is NO creator to our Universe they are not telling you the truth.

Intersting post, thanks.




[edit on 26-5-2009 by Mr Green]

Mr Green,I believe that the origin all life in the universe was created by one universal god,and the spread and of that life is an natural act of nature that is as random as any other act of nature,however the DEVELOPEMENT OR EVOLUTION OF THAT LIFE IS A CONSTANT THROUGHOUT THE UNIVERSE,A CONSTANT IN THE SENSE THAT ALL LIFE WILL EVOLVE INTO A REPRESENTATION OF OUR CREATOR AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER ,ALWAYS AND EVERYWHERE THROUGHOUT THE UNIVERSE.

I believe that the only connection or context that would fit the parameters of what I am trying to say is the link between the origin of life as being FROM GOD to the spread and developement and variety, but with that always eventually being a representative of the creator ,albeit possibly in different forms on different worlds but definately there are other human reaces that have evolved into OUR EARTHS PHYSICAL PARAMETER PENDING REPRESENTATIONS OF OUR CREATOR.

Religon or simply one perverted and manipulated HOWEVER TRUE aspect of religon ,is the misrepresentation that god in any way whatsoever CARRIES ANY FORM OF SURVEILANCE OR WATHCING OR ACCOUNTING OF THE REPRESENTATIONS OF HIMSELF SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE UNIVERSE.


This is called fear mongering and is just another tactic used to ensnare or continue to enslave victims of manipulative religous doctrine,AND ALL ARE MANIPULATIVE IN NATURE SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY ARE BASED ON BLIND FAITH SO BT THEIR VERY NATURE THEY ARE DESIGNED TO COVER HUMANITY IN A VEIL OF DECEPTION BY PREACHING TO THEM A REALITY THAT IS NOT BASED ON TRUTH AND FACT,RELIGONS ARE TOOLS NOT PATHS TO GODS GOOD GRACES.

You were born in gods good grace and you will die in gods good graces and my friend,our god will never even know you or I existed ,but that is irrelevant bescause he always knows that the song that is like the life that he created in his universe,will continue to be sung as clearly and as purely as the first time he made the music,we cannot be threatened into someone elses choice of reality by being told we will burn in Hell,or that our God will hate us if we dont follow a path set out BY SIMPLY ANOTHER MAN, BECAUSE GOD DOES NOT MONITOR OUR LIVES BECAUSE HE KNOWS THE SONG SHALL REMAIN THE SAME.God of our universe does not fear change he creates it if he chooses,but he has no need for threats of hell or rejection .

Only men have need of these things.

I do not mean to attack religon only the deception that it represents.

Humans require social interaction and this is essentially what religon is,remember that many years ago AS I WAS REMINDED BY MY GRANDFATHER BEFORE HE PASSED,RELIGON WAS A PHYSICALLY SAFE PLACE TO BE BECAUSE OF THE DANGERS OF LIFE IN THE PAST,SAFETY IN NUMBERS.

The bible is one representation of A HISTORY BOOK OR BOOK OF KNOWLEDGE HANDED OUT TO A SPECIFIC NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS AT THE EXACT SAME TIME WHO THEN FOR SOME REASON DISPERSED IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS ON OUR DEAR PLANET ,THEN PROCEEDED TO BASTARDIZE,MANIPULATE,MIS-INTERPRET,RE-WRITE AND GENERALLY USE AS A TOOL this history book.Each direction resulted in a huge following of their specific doctrine OR RATHER THEIR SPECIFICLLY GEOGRAPHIC INTERPRETATION OF THE PREVIOUSLY COMMONLY RECIEVED DOCTRINE.

Sit in a room full of people,take one person from aech corner of the room and tell all four of them THE EXACT SAME MESSAGE WORD FOR WORD EVEN IN THE SAME TONE AT THE SAME TIME and then ask them to pass the message on from person to person untill it goes completely around the room AND THEN LOOK AT THE FOUR MESSAGES YOU WILL HAVE AT THE END AND YOU WILL BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND WHY THE BIBLE WAS HANDED OUT AS I SAID,AND HOW I SAID.


The bible unfortunately has very little to do with the path humanity DOES OR DOES NOT TAKE ,and the bible also has ABSOLUTELY NO BEARING ON THE RANGE OF MORAL OR OTHER CHOICES EACH HUMAN IS BORN WITH ,OBVIOUSLY ANY SINGLE INDIVIDUAL HAS THE ABILITY TO ASPIRE TO THE PINNACLE OF GOODNESS OR GODLINESS WITHOUT EVER HAVING KNOWLEDGE OF ANY RELIGOUS DOCTRINE WHATSOEVER.

As many aspects of the bible have been perverted into weapons of death and despair(killing other humans in the name of BLIND FAITH is the greatest sin a human can commit in the eyes of our universal god) AS HAVE BEEN USED IN THE FURTHERMENT OF GOOD HUMANITARIAN WILL.

This is an inherant booby trap built into religon,WE ARE BRAINWASHED BASED ON BLIND FAITH TO BELIEVE THAT EVIL HAS TO EXIST ,THAT PAIN,DEATH AND SUFFERING HAVE TO HAPPEN TO HUMANITY AS A MATTER OF NATURAL COURSE.

We do not require "evil" in order to experience "good",we DO NOT REQUIRE RELIGON WHATSOEVER TO ASPIRE TO THE HUMANTARIAN PINNACLE THAT THE GREATEST RELIGOS ICONS EVER REACHED.


We simply dont require it in order TO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF OUR HISTORY ,OUR CURRENT PLACE IN THE UNIVERSE,OR OUR POTENTIAL FUTURES.

Humans are not supposed to naturally SURRENDER TO THE ENTRAPMENT OF BELIEVING IN BLIND FAITH OR LEAVING THEIR PERCEPTION OR PERSPECTIVE OF THEIR UNIVERSE OPEN TO MANIPULATION BY OTHERS.

The simple fact is that we are being "led down the garden path so to speak"by being manipulated into agreeing to subscribe to and therefore take a hand in the creation of and maintenance of A REALITY FILLED WITH GLOBAL KILLING AND MANIPULATION OF HUMANITY,BY HUMANITY,IN THE NAME OF A BLIND FAITH IDEAL THAT IS SLOWLY CHOKING HUMANITY OUT OF EXISTANCE.

We have given our vote in humanities future away to a priest just as we do to a politician ,AND AS A RESULT THE "SMALL AMOUNT OF ACCURRACY OR TRUTH LOST IN THE TRANSLATION"will continue to be humanities ACHILLES HEEL,and we will continue to allow ourselves to be manipulated like puppets by the use of this principal combined with most of humanities inability to recieve information or input in "real time" or simply "in time" to make a properly informed decision as to their vote in humanities future.

If you disempower government and religon as we know them BUT CONTINUE TO SUBSCRIBE TO THE SYSTEMS FOR THEIR OTHER UNDERUTILISED ATTRIBUTES,THE MORE HUMANITARIAN ONES,you will find that the world will instantly become a better place and will continue on a positive humanitarian path.

The humans who abducted me DID NOT TALK TO ME ABOUT GOD AT ALL,they did not give me any specific message concerning the existance or non-existance of God or Jesus or Allah.

They did not tell me religon wasnt real.I thought it was obvious that religon was simply a mis-interpreted and mis-represented ,story, since I was about eight years old,I read the whole bible at nine and then was sure of my suspicions,and for a kicker one of my relatives,direct closely related relative,co-founded a religon that has followers numbering in the milions ,worldwide,so a firm understanding of the sheer power of religous doctrine is not lost on my family or myself,and I TREAD VERY LIGHTLY WHEN I PRESENT AN ALTERNATIVE PERSPECTIVE TO ANYONE WHO HAS BEEN SCARRED BY RELIGOUS BRAINWASHING AND IS STRUGGLING TO RE-GAIN THEIR OWN FREELY CHOSEN PERSPECTIVE OR REALITY.

I do not now nor have I ever intended to offend any follower of any religon on earth.I simply have a perspective to share and it does not include religon in any way shape or form. Nor does it include provisions to accept any doctrine or perspective based in any way in any capacity on BLIND FAITH.

Whoops, something went wrong there!
I was replying a Donnie Darko post.
"... also Mr. Green and a Mr. Blue are the 'code-names'
used in the latest movie of The Hulk!"

I've always believed that once you do or say something,
it's done. It isn't 'time-taped' anywhere, it isn't captured and
held... it just done.



[edit on 26-5-2009 by A boy in a dress]

reply to post by one4all


I whont quote your post but Id like to say I totally agree with its essence, we are obviously talking about the same thing I can see that, and at source our views do not differ greatly.

The humans who abducted me DID NOT TALK TO ME ABOUT GOD AT ALL,they did not give me any specific message concerning the existance or non-existance of God or Jesus or Allah.

So your saying these were humans that abducted you, were they humans that came from the future, the ones that may have crashed at Roswell?

I can understand why future humans/aliens dont talk about God, Im sure they have dropped all religion long ago and allowed God to become a knowing within themselves, once all beings are at this point there would be no need to bring it up.

I still do not think they have told just yourself the knowledge you say they gave you.

Can you shed any light on the Roswell visitors from what they told you at all?

[edit on 26-5-2009 by Mr Green]

The humans WERENT FROM THE FUTURE ----THEY ARE FROM THE PRESENT.

They did not have anything to do with Roswell to my knowledge.

They did not give me SPECIFIC INFORMATION FOR MY EARS ONLY,my reference in the post you refer to was intended to be communicated so as to convey the message that in terms of discussing the validity of my experience in the face of a request for corroberation,I WAS THE ONLY ONE GIVEN THE SPECIFIC INFORMATION THAT I"WAS GIVEN"--DURING MY ABDUCTUION.

In other words the information I heard during my abduction was "originating from "the abduction itself and "NO ONE ELSE ON EARTH COULD POSSIBLE HAVE THE SAME INFORMATION UNLESS THEY ALSO HAD A SIMILAR EXPERIENCE"

I WAS NOT trying to claim that I was given SPECIAL INFORMATION NO OTHER HUMAN ON EARTH WAS PRIVY TO BECAUSE I WAS IN SOME WAY BETTER OR MORE "SPECIAL"THAN ANYONE ELSE ON THE PLANBET.

Once again ,no connection to Roswell or the Future,and I was given no message to RELAY TO HUMANITY,I believe that is a privilage that other experiencers have had.

I also dont believe that religon will or should ever BE DROPPED,humans have a right to believe in anything they want to believe in AS LONG AS THEY HAVE MADE THE CHOICE OF THEIR OWN FREE WILL FROM AMONGST THE INFINATE NUMBER OF REALITIES THEY MAY CHOOSE F ROM AND THEREBY MAKE INTO OUR CUMULATIVE REALITY(AS LONG AS THEY HAVENT BEEN LIED TO ,BECAUSE WITHHOLDING A CHOICE OR POTENTIAL REALITY IS A LIE EXACTLY LIKE A LIE OF OMISSION,THATS WHAT A LIE OF OMISSION IS.THEREFORE IF ANYONE ON EARTH CHOSE CURRENT RELIGON AS THEIR REALITY THEY HAVE CHOSEN A FALSE REALITY AND SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO KNOW AND UNDERSTAND WHAT HAS BEEN DONE TO THEM.

What I was trying to say about religon is clearly that it has been bastardized,manipulated,and used as a tool to manipulate sometimes millions of humans into accepting as their cumulative reality a world where they are slaves to the religon itself(to be more specific--to the MEN AND WOMEN WHO ORGANISE AND RUN THE CRIMINAL ENTERPRISES) and they cease to even understand their natural abilities to CREATE THEIR OWN REALITY LIKE MAGIC SIMPLY BY ALL WANTING THE SAME THING AT THE SAME TIME,THE KEY IS SAME THING AT THE SAME TIME,WE ARE CONSTANTLY KEPT OFF BALANCE BY A DESIGNED AND IMPLEMENTED PLAN OR AGENDA THAT USES INFORMATION,KNOWLEDGE,RELIGON,GOVERNMENT ,AND CORPORATE ENTITIES TO FURTHER THE PERSONAL INTERESTS OF A VERY SMALL NUMBER OF HUMANS AT THE EXPENSE OF EVERY ONE ON THE PLANET,THINGS ARE WORSE NOW THAN EVER BEFORE IN HISTORY IN THE SENSE THAT AN ASTRONOMICALLY SMALL NUMBER OF HUMANS ARE CHOOSING HUMANITIES PATH THROUGH THE USE OF LIES AND DECEPTION ON A GRAND SCALE,WHICH IS THE ONLY WAY A CRIME THIS HUGE COULD BE ACCOMPLISHED.

Sorry for the caps,my keyboard is sticky.

So,religon itself is fine and I believe essential to humanities growth,it is simply being used against humanity as a weapon of seperation and deciet.

Dont you realise that the first HUGE religon to embrace DISCLOSURE will suddenly become the RELIGON OF THE FUTURE.

This is what people call disclosure,it is really change but because we dont understand it and we dont even have an idea of the direction it is taking us we call it "disclosure".

At least in a church or a courtroom IT IS CALLED WHAT IT REALLY IS ----A CONFESSION"---.