Don't discount North Korea in fact, be weary!

reply to post by mtmaraca

Oh man, I cant tell you either how painfull! Amen to that!
They mean two totally different things! Gad is this what we are becoming?
Rapidly left behind by other countries education systems?
No wonder the ecomony is in such dire straights!
We never learned how to live within our means, let alone balance a checkbook. How many could even find iraq on a map? How many knows who lives at 1600 pennsylvania avenue? How many knows who lives in a pineapple under the sea. No wonder I picked this name! Some may think its not a big deal. Sorry but it changes your whole threads meaning!
If you want to be understood and taken seriously its important. Thats all.
I am tired of n. korea, not neccasarily cautious! You know,
I found a dictionary for 50 cents at the second hand store.......
if you punch a word in a browser search field it will give you the meanings!
Tell me:
Would you rather lose your wits or loose them?
(That ought to keep 'em busy for awhile mtmmaraca!)
Bye, bye.

[edit on 25-4-2009 by dodadoom]

reply to post by dodadoom


By the time I noticed my grammatical error it was too late to edit the thread title, with that said why not attempt attacking the topic rather then exploiting a simple mistake? And as much the economy has nothing to do with this thread so please post on topic.

Originally posted by dodadoom
reply to post by mtmaraca

 

Oh man, I cant tell you either how painfull! Amen to that!
They mean two totally different things! Gad is this what we are becoming?
Rapidly left behind by other countries education systems?
No wonder the ecomony is in such dire straights!
We never learned how to live within our means, let alone balance a checkbook. How many could even find iraq on a map? How many knows who lives at 1600 pennsylvania avenue? How many knows who lives in a pineapple under the sea. No wonder I picked this name! Some may think its not a big deal. Sorry but it changes your whole threads meaning!

If you want to be understood and taken seriously its important. Thats all.
I am tired of n. korea, not neccasarily cautious! You know,
I found a dictionary for 50 cents at the second hand store.......
if you punch a word in a browser search field it will give you the meanings!
Tell me:
Would you rather lose your wits or loose them?
(That ought to keep 'em busy for awhile mtmmaraca!)
Bye, bye.

[edit on 25-4-2009 by dodadoom]

Ummm, and you point out my spelling mistakes try taking a second look at this post and maybe you you can play a game of "where's Waldo" and find the numerous 4th grade level errors, bye bye

[edit on 25-4-2009 by alyosha1981]

reply to post by alyosha1981

I understand, thank you for your patience also!
I know, my bad for having a pet peeve. Stuff happens.
I didn't mean to attack only suggest and correct......
carry on, I'll watch my snideness!
Another reason the title of the thread is ultra important!
So I know HOW and WHAT to respond WITH!
Thanks for your thread and reply!
Great job! (other than the little boo boo!)
Peace.

reply to post by alyosha1981


Ya why should I even care that much?
No one else seems to.
Again, peace. Everybody slips up.
Point out my words and I'll fix them if they bother you that bad.
I would do it for you. Can you say the same?
I post that way kinda so it can be understood by even the fairly uneducated. If you would like I can use fancy words instead.

reply to post by dodadoom


No problem as I had replied, the thread point was well taken despite the "boo boo" and most who have posted probably figured that out from the start.

reply to post by alyosha1981


Apparently, thats kinda what I mean. It took three pages before
it was even noticed! ! It was assumed it meant one thing.
As long as you dont care I guess and we are all talking about the same thing its cool.
Once again to be wary is to be cautious.
Weary means, oh never mind, I am gettin there now.........
to break up the monotony I'll go see what I can find for the thread.

[edit on 25-4-2009 by dodadoom]

reply to post by dodadoom


The last point I had made was on North Korea's fuel reserves and oil supply, care to add something relevant to the topic? or do you wish to continue this fruitless bickering on the thread title?

reply to post by alyosha1981

You got it! Here we go! I will use this same post so check back here.
www.youtube.com...
www.youtube.com...
I'll see if I can find the one I was thinking of real fast.
Here it is!
www.youtube.com...
Now on to the fuel thingy! I remember the shortages
they were having years ago.
Everyone should have food, since there is so much wealth
in the world! Theres alot on the net;

About 40% of North Koreans are at risk of going hungry in the coming months because of food shortages, the United Nations is forecasting.

In a joint statement, the Food and Agriculture Organization and the World Food Program report that 8.7 million residents of the Hermit Kingdom "will urgently need food assistance" because of fertilizer and fuel shortages.

blogs.usatoday.com...
No fuel, no food! The "hermit kingdom"!
Oh oH, they pulled a boo boo! www.france24.com...
I thought I heard about new sanctions! They are a thorn in S. Koreas
side arent they? And everyones. How do we deal with them? Or do we?
This one is enough to make me wary! news.yahoo.com...
Now I'm weary! Good luck with the thread and I hope you are not mad.
I dig your style and everyone messes up once in awhile! Go easy.
From the looks of your posts you are doing a bang up job on here!
Dont let me bring it down, carry on...

[edit on 25-4-2009 by dodadoom]

Whenever I hear people drone on about the threat of North Korea, I remember this photo.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/571966ee5fd3.jpg[/atsimg]


res ipsa loquitur

reply to post by dodadoom


Thanks for the links I'm checking them out now and will comment when I'm finished, I've seen some of the National Geographic segment I've seen before.
When I was stationed in South Korea we were shown material and went through briefs receiving information on what would happen during an invasion, Ive been to the 38th, Camp Greaves, Pannmunjom ect ect.

Originally posted by Iblis
North Korea only has a single threat the world is unprepared to face:

Detonating a nuclear device at the proper height to fry electronics and satellites the world over.

Um, no. I have never heard of any nuclear weapon large enough to do more than shut down communications ( well in terms of no restarts) and electronics over a continental scale; world wide would take many dozens of very, very high yield weapons ( megaton range as i recall) and to blanket the world. That being said we don't really know what the full effects will be and how many might in fact be salvagable.

One swing, and Military Intelligence, Economics, and Global Communications die.

That's very unlikely. North Korea is a very dangerous enemy to South-Korea largely because they have their own small arms and artillery industries that have been manufacturing and stockpiling ridiculous amounts of ammunition ( well so it's claimed) for the last few decades. There is a reason artillery is called the Queen of the battlefield and perhaps it best explains why no one in their right minds are going to mess with Korea any time soon. South Korea is certainly well enough equipped to fight the North Korean army sans the artillery cover but i don't see how they could or would advance or defend Seoul under the sustained fire it will be.

That being said i don't really see the North Koreans attacking with great gusto either as they are both outnumbered and outgunned in armor; they will have to fight under their well dug in artillery cover or risk what i don't believe they can afford to lose.... If the US gets involved they couldn't do anything but hold out and hope to drag China, and by extension Russia, into the war...

Well that's what i think and i hope we never find out how right or wrong my 'analysis' is.

Stellar

reply to post by alyosha1981

Your welcome and thanks for the reply and for your service!
Do you think we need to worry here in the west?
Did you hear of their capabilities or do you know if they really
made it into space? Or if they can reach alaska or even further?
From what I've heard, no. If thats the case they are blatantly lying.
Honestly with yellowstone and the economy and now this new virus,
we got enough stuff going on anyway! IMO


[edit on 26-4-2009 by dodadoom]

reply to post by dodadoom


Taepodong 1

Taepodong-1 is a three-stage intermediate-range ballistic missile developed in North Korea and currently in service there. The missile was derived originally from the Scud rocket, and can allegedly serve as both a nuclear delivery system and a space launch vehicle.

Taepodong 2

Based on the size of the missile, the fuel composition, and the likely fuel capacity, it is estimated that a two stage variant would have a range of around 4,000 km (2,500 statute miles) and a three stage variant would be capable of reaching as far as 4,500 km (2,800 statute miles), giving it potentially the longest range in the North Korean missile arsenal.[

I think it is believed that these missles utilize tecnology from the SCUD as well as the Soviet R-27 ZYB. The range estimates as well as payload speculations can be found on the wiki links provided above. I believe that parts of Alaska would be about as far as North Korea could ever hope to accuratly target, that is if they proceed with advanced ballistic testing programs. The international community needs to become more agressive in their approach with regard to these tests.

If we're not careful or become complacent with the North Koreans, they will most certainly continue tests and become profficant at building longer range weapon systems.

(work, spelling will be corrected L8R)

Well the recent underground test by the north proves without a doubt that they have no intention of halting their nuclear program, the question now ? Would they use such a weapon in anger, I fear yes.

reply to post by StellarX

I think that North Korea realizes it is in an ultimate loosers position and the nuclear test and missles is their attempt to appear powerful.

North Korea is a hell hole for the millions that live there. It has no future economically. It is essentially land bound because the US Navy controls its sea access. Their only up side they have is a good supply of home made generic viagra to keep their tin horn leaders satisfied.

IMHO North Korea will go the way of the dodo bird and in the next 20 years it will collapse and be absorbed much like west absorbed east Germany, the north and south will be reunited.

BTW if NK EVER put a live nuc on one of those missles and fired it, can you imagine how fast that country would become a nuclear wasteland?
You have India, Japan, Australia and not to mention the US that would gladly participate in NKs demise!

Originally posted by plumranch
I think that North Korea realizes it is in an ultimate loosers position and the nuclear test and missles is their attempt to appear powerful.

Hi plumranch,

The reason why North Korea is building nuclear weapons and delivery systems is to protect themselves as long as the USA and allies refuse to sign a formal peace treaty; as it stands there is only a ceasefire meaning that the Korean war has not formally ended.

2005:

List of demands

In a statement issued on Friday, North Korea's foreign ministry said: "Replacing the cease-fire mechanism by a peace mechanism on the Korean Peninsula would lead to putting an end to the US hostile policy" towards the North.

It added that a peace treaty would "automatically result in the denuclearisation of the peninsula".

On Thursday a North Korean official had said that "not a single nuclear weapon will be needed for us if the US nuclear threat is removed".

news.bbc.co.uk...

The North Koreans wants peace but the USA has so far refused to give it hence their spending on self defense.

North Korea is a hell hole for the millions that live there.

Yes, the fall of the USSR left it terribly isolated and with a economy that was terribly strained it didn't take much more than a few years of draught to lead to the things we saw happening.

It has no future economically. It is essentially land bound because the US Navy controls its sea access. Their only up side they have is a good supply of home made generic viagra to keep their tin horn leaders satisfied.

Good that you can find something worth laughing about when it comes to North Korea. I am sure you have 'sources' for that viagra claim? North Korea has a economic future ( it was the second most industrialized country behind Japan up until the mid 70's as i recall) but it can not recover and rebuild as long as the USN sails of it's coast and it's branded as 'evil' with no protection other than a cease fire agreement.

IMHO North Korea will go the way of the dodo bird and in the next 20 years it will collapse and be absorbed much like west absorbed east Germany, the north and south will be reunited.

North Korea should have gone that way ten years ago but they are still there and wont be 'absorbed' without a bloodbath ensuing. It all depends on the US government that can sign a formal peace with North Korea and then observe how they react. The US national security state could always find a way to start another war ( just say they have WOMD, worked the other time) if it really wanted another country to get US citizens killed in.

BTW if NK EVER put a live nuc on one of those missles and fired it, can you imagine how fast that country would become a nuclear wasteland?

Who would attack it? Why would North Korea attack anyone in anything but self defense given how hopelessly outgunned they are? North Korea would be unlikely to attack first ( they didn't even start the first one) as the South is well capable of defending itself without the help of it's comparatively overwhelming strong allies. North Korea isn't the problem anymore than Iraq of Afghanistan were. As for a turning North Korea into a nuclear wasteland that would devastate the entire Korean peninsula as well as parts of Southern China and a few others. The Koreans have been preparing to fight a war against a nuclear able power for five decades and thinking that you could just nuke them out of existence is just about as well informed as thinking that the thousands of nuclear weapons Russia and USA has could 'end' human civilization or 'life on earth'.

You have India, Japan, Australia and not to mention the US that would gladly participate in NKs demise!

Glady? Fight in sprawling bombed out build up areas against a enemy that literally has nothing left to lose after you forced him to yet again fight a war for his very survival? Don't people learn anything from history?

Stellar

Originally posted by alyosha1981

Hi,

Well the recent underground test by the north proves without a doubt that they have no intention of halting their nuclear program, the question ?

Well they said they wouldn't unless the US agrees to signing a treaty officially ending the Korean war; would you disarm yourself if you were still in a war with the USA/South Korea? Isn't that the real question that should get asked and answered?

Would they use such a weapon in anger, I fear yes.

In self defense they would not have much to lose given the US propensity for the genocidal begging destruction of civilian infrastructure. At least with nuclear weapons they can threaten the South and thus help to ward of aggressive moves by the USA. After all the US did not negotiate with SH or the Taliban but it is negotiating with North Korea? Why wouldn't you want nukes if it gives those who wants to destroy your social/economic models pause?

Stellar

[edit on 27-5-2009 by StellarX]

One thing many in the know have said repeatedly is that if we had ever gone to war with the Soviet Union, we would discover that we were so wrong about them in so many ways, for better and for worse. The same principle applies to North Korea.

Much of what we perceive to be North Korea's warfighting abilities is the function of myth. Its plainly obvious that when you factor in the issue of logistics, even with their policy of Songun, it raises questions as to how they are able to support such a massive military establishment. It is difficult to believe their air force is able to get in the air due to fuel shortages and the quality of their war stocks has to be less than prime.

However, one thing that is most certainly not in question is the North's ability to do damage to the South. This is and should be the greatest concern for the U.S., since preservation of life and property in the ROK is the whole idea behind our anti-DPRK efforts. In a sense, an American/ROK "win" is meaningless if millions are dead and Seoul is a lake of fire.

We should fear North Korea because their ability to do damage to South Korea is unparalleled and very real. But the ability to dish out punishment is not the equivalent of winning a war.

Good that you can find something worth laughing about when it comes to North Korea. I am sure you have 'sources' for that viagra claim?

reply to post by StellarX


"Government agents also sell a North Korean version of Viagra on the Chinese market " From: North Korea's Capitalist Experiment . It's a good assessment of NK written 6-06.

But beware... N. Korean's "Viagra" drugs may work but are toxic