New Video - No real planes hit World Trade Center (Continuous Pieces)

Originally posted by _BoneZ_Your figures do appear to be correct.

Says the man who makes excuses for JREF strawman arguments and doesnt have a clue regarding airspeed.

Thanks for your .02 though. Lurkers will appreciate it im sure.

By the way BoneZ. Zaphod calcs are completely wrong.

To hell with it, what's the point.

[edit on 3/28/2009 by Zaphod58]

Originally posted by Zaphod58
Mach 0.99 at 22,000 is 694 mph. Mach 0.86 is 603 mph. I was wrong with my numbers, I corrected them now.

Very good... now tell us the difference between the two...

[edit on 28-3-2009 by RockHound757]

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I didn't delete my post because I was "stepping in it". I deleted it because I don't see the point of having a discussion with someone that sits there and tells me how stupid I am, without actually discussing anything, except how wrong I am. This is why I got out of these threads for a long time, and it just proves to me that there's no point in getting back into them.

Again, jsut like WTC 7 and asking for explosives evidence, who PLANTED the landing gear and the engine.




This is from the NAudet brothers video....the engine was still smoking....who planted it??????

Zaph,

You calculated Max operating at 22K in terms of MPH.

You also calculated peak airspeed of EA990 according to the NTSB, in terms of mph.

Tell us Zaph, what is the difference between the two?

Would you rather i did the final math/final nail in your coffin?

Originally posted by esdad71
This is from the NAudet brothers video....the engine was still smoking....who planted it??????

You must've missed all the smoking debris that shot out of the tower after the plane hit it:

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Originally posted by esdad71
Again, jsut like WTC 7 and asking for explosives evidence, who PLANTED the landing gear and the engine.

Naturally, before asking that question you can show the world that the alleged engine and landing gear was forensically identified as those belonging to the alleged flight UA 175?

There's no point speculating about unidentified, scrap metal is there?

Ok folks.. since its clear Zaph doesnt want to contribute to the thread anymore after being proven wrong... and BoneZ urging ignore... i'll do the math.

Egypt Air 990 broke apart in flight when exceeding the Max Operating limit of the aircraft by 93 mph, according to the NTSB and Zaph.

93 mph converts to 80 knots. (its actually less.. but we'll leave that for another day.. )

UA175 reportedly exceeded its Max Operating by more than 150 knots (almost twice that of EA990) and was controllable to hit a target, with "pilots" who had zero time in type, with a margin of error of less than 100 feet horizontally!

Zaph admits his original numbers were in error as i pointed out. BoneZ claims Zaph numbers were accurate.

Your mileage may vary.


[edit on 28-3-2009 by RockHound757]

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I believe that I said that overspeed was a CONTRIBUTING factor, but not the ONLY ultimate cause of the crash.

As for not contributing, why should I, when all you are going to do is tell me who wrong and stupid I am, without trying to explain why? Add to that internet problems right now where I'm staying. I'd prefer not standing in the window all night just to contribute to one thread.

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Actually, it is stored in Hangar 17 at JFK international. 1000's of items are stored there that have all been identified and classified. Many are given to sites that will be creating memorials. Now, in 2006 the Truth movement attempted to secure a list of these items however, due to ongoing investigations in including Moussaoui and others that were associated with the 9/11 attack. Since those are done, someone should try again...

shhh its ok guys, just go back to sleep.

while you guys argue about the speed about the plane and debris, you fail to take into account all of the evidence September Clues brings to the table. speed aside, there are shots with the plane doing a dive, where another shot shows it flying straight, shots from angles with buildings in the wrong areas and such... JUST ACCEPT THE TV FAKERY ALREADY! OPEN YOUR EYES!

Originally posted by mosey
you fail to take into account all of the evidence September Clues brings to the table

And you fail to take into account that the 9/11 truth movement doesn't accept or recognize the no-plane theories and that tv fakery and "September Clue(less)" has already been debunked:

arabesque911.blogspot.com...

Originally posted by mosey
JUST ACCEPT THE TV FAKERY ALREADY! OPEN YOUR EYES!

If you just accepted the REAL evidence, it might open YOUR eyes.

Originally posted by _BoneZ_

Originally posted by mosey
you fail to take into account all of the evidence September Clues brings to the table

And you fail to take into account that the 9/11 truth movement doesn't accept or recognize the no-plane theories and that tv fakery and "September Clue(less)" has already been debunked:

arabesque911.blogspot.com...

Originally posted by mosey
JUST ACCEPT THE TV FAKERY ALREADY! OPEN YOUR EYES!

If you just accepted the REAL evidence, it might open YOUR eyes.

oh im sorry, i forgot I am pre determined to follow everything the 9/11 truth movement does!
start tapping into YOUR common sense, not the one you're given. forget the plane speed and all that BULLSH*T for just one minute and watch the videos. Notice how SO many shots have been altered, and in sooooo many different ways. I've "discussed" this topic with you before bonez, and I know better than to start with you because you dont take into consideration anybody else's point of view, you simply ignore what they say and throw back any random tidbit of info that you think might help your argument. All I am saying is that the plane's speed aside, there is enough evidence to KNOW for A FACT that those videos have been doctored. I feel bad for you, having to conform to a "movement" in order to feel like a "truther".

Originally posted by mosey
forget the plane speed and all that BULLSH*T for just one minute and watch the videos.

The videos have been watched, debunked, swept aside and we all moved on long ago.

Originally posted by mosey
I know better than to start with you

You know better than to start with me because you know I'll debunk any and every single thing you try to pass off as "truth".

Originally posted by mosey
there is enough evidence to KNOW for A FACT that those videos have been doctored

Sorry, you will never come close to a residue of knowing for a fact until you get the ORIGINAL videos and provide a detailed analysis of every video.

You may know for a fact in your mind, but you don't even come close to having anything factual to convince others. You only see what the no-planer/tv fakery cult wants you to see.

Originally posted by _BoneZ_

Originally posted by mosey
forget the plane speed and all that BULLSH*T for just one minute and watch the videos.

The videos have been watched, debunked, swept aside and we all moved on long ago.

Originally posted by mosey
I know better than to start with you

You know better than to start with me because you know I'll debunk any and every single thing you try to pass off as "truth".

Originally posted by mosey
there is enough evidence to KNOW for A FACT that those videos have been doctored

Sorry, you will never come close to a residue of knowing for a fact until you get the ORIGINAL videos and provide a detailed analysis of every video.

You may know for a fact in your mind, but you don't even come close to having anything factual to convince others. You only see what the no-planer/tv fakery cult wants you to see.

what can you POSSIBLY debunk? and how? like I said, some A hole "debunks" the nose out and THAT is a complete debunking of september clues??
cmon man seriously? what about the countless angles using the exact same vantage points and yet different back grounds or ever changing backgrounds? The clips that literally show a plane VANISH... and I mean you can actually see the vanish point LINE where the plane sinks through the building as if it were paper. you movement truthers ignore all the things you cant explain and make a weak attempt to "debunk" the couple points that people might actually buy... like the nose out.

however, a common understanding of what we should see in those videos easily proves that the footage spread across the news was fraudulent. The fact that you actually think the major news outlets were doing business as usual and that no body in the major media would ever lie to you just proves that your attempts to "debunk any and every single thing i try to pass off as "truth"."

Originally posted by mosey
what about the countless angles using the exact same vantage points and yet different back grounds or ever changing backgrounds?

You just answered your own question! There are at least 43 different angles of the second plane. That's 43 different backgrounds and vantage points. This stuff is all too easy.

Originally posted by _BoneZ_

Originally posted by mosey
what about the countless angles using the exact same vantage points and yet different back grounds or ever changing backgrounds?

You just answered your own question! There are at least 43 different angles of the second plane. That's 43 different backgrounds and vantage points. This stuff is all too easy.

omg.
no. im saying different vantage points... as in "different"... they arent different at all. the two towers are literally cropped and placed on different back grounds from the exact same vantage point, made to look like they are from DIFFERENT vantage points.
i havent stated anything about TRUTH. what Ive stated is that the videos are so obviously doctored I even heard a dog bark "ruff that sh*ts fake dawg".
you still havent debunked a single thing ive said? i dont even say that there were "no planes"... there is a very good possibility there were planes or something of the sort. WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT THE VIDEOS RELEASED ARE EITHER DOCTORED, COMPLETELY FAKE, OR CHRIS ANGEL DID IT.
but you can keep throwing down random facts pretending they are rebuttles i suppose, doesnt bother me Im actually entertained by your attempts and Im sure Ive stated this countless times before.

there WERE 43 vantage points!
what the hell is that? thats your response? that isnt even an answer? that doesnt prove anything? that literally doesnt even try to answer anything? thats like going "YES! there WERE 2 towers! proof!"
cmon man really? you actually can see EVERY video showing a line of vanishing point close up and NOT question it? really?