Bart Sibrel on Coast To Coast AM last night: Wow! Just... Wow!

Instead of this thread turning into a moon hoax thread (as if there aren't enough of them already), how about you, salt of the earth, go search the many that exist already, and take a look at this website, which debunks EVERY piece of crap evidence you think shows man never went to the moon.

Bad Astronomy - Moon Hoax Debunked

Originally posted by Salt of the Earth
if you really want to make idols out of these frauds and pikers and if you really want to invite a demon to dinner in the New World Order, then keep on believing in fairy tales.

Someday we will all be standing before God and will have a whole eternity to spend based on the choices we made here, and whether we were a lover or a hater of the truth.

The Soviets had the inteligence to prove we were faking it. At that time in history there was absolutely no reason for them to keep quiet about it even if they were merely suspicious. Certainly by now they would have said something.

I wonder what God will have to say about your judging others?

Another member found this and sent me the link to it.

www.youtube.com...

Shows how good old Bart likes to cherry pick and lie about his "evidence" in the movies he did.

Originally posted by tallcool1

The Soviets had the inteligence to prove we were faking it. At that time in history there was absolutely no reason for them to keep quiet about it even if they were merely suspicious. Certainly by now they would have said something.

Actually, in their book, "Dark Moon: Apollo and the Whistleblowers," and in the book's four-hour documentary companion piece, authors Mary Bennett and David Percy offer a plausible scenario for US-Soviet collusion and mutual secret-keeping from the end of
WW II through Apollo and beyond.

I'm not saying they're right, and I'm sure some of their arguments are on shaky ground, but their book and documentary are exhaustively researched, and they certainly do a better job of making a better case than Sibrel does.

Of course, Bennett and Percy don't actually claim we never went to the Moon; they merely assert that the Apollo missions which were shown to us were not always the Apollo missions which were actually occurring.

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There were too many amateur radio operators that were able to track the mission and listen in on the radio communications. A lot of radio operators listened in on every part of the lunar missions.

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Wow, I just went and read as summary of their theories. Very interesting. I may need to actually get that book or find it online and read it. Collusion between the USA and the USSR for some reason is interesting - I can't buy into any "ET" connection, but this is an interesting theory nonetheless.

I still believe we went to the moon every time we said we did though.

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Originally posted by tallcool1
The Soviets had the inteligence to prove we were faking it. At that time in history there was absolutely no reason for them to keep quiet about it even if they were merely suspicious. Certainly by now they would have said something.

I believe the Soviet leaders knew and know full and well it was a fake. They are part of the NWO. Check out Texe Marrs book Codex Magica and you'll see that all these leaders of all the countries are all Freemasons, all brothers, all worship the same god (Lucifer). It's like a big Mafia family that fights over turf sometimes but they all agree that selling drugs, prostitution, extortion, pornography, are the way to go.

The factions working for the NWO are the same way, all working to the world tyranny but all hoping to be in control when it happens. Morals and Dogma is the universal Bible for all the Freemasons, and they are ALL Freemasons, all devil worshippers, all wear aprons with the Jolly Roger, all love death and skulls and intrigue and death and playing with the rest of us, counting our bones amongst themselves for status.

They are all in on the plan to create a New World Order, and to unite the planet requires getting the goyim serfs (that's us) to believe that interplanetary travel is possible.

Originally posted by sensfan
Instead of this thread turning into a moon hoax thread (as if there aren't enough of them already), how about you, salt of the earth, go search the many that exist already, and take a look at this website, which debunks EVERY piece of crap evidence you think shows man never went to the moon.

Bad Astronomy - Moon Hoax Debunked

Considering the website you point me to is owned by somebody who works for NASA, I'd say it's the best website money can buy, wouldn't you?

I'd rather check this website out, which nobody got paid to put up, but put it up because he loves the truth and wants to expose the liars and frauds, the Freemason, death-loving, megalomaniacs who pulled off the caper.


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Originally posted by Salt of the Earth
...and to unite the planet requires getting the goyim serfs (that's us) to believe that interplanetary travel is possible.

Goyim, you say?

So which is it, exactly? Are the hidden puppet-masters Satanists, or are they Jews?

Wait, wait, don't tell me...

Let me guess...

You're one of those people who believes they're one and the same, aren't you?

Originally posted by flightsuit

Originally posted by Salt of the Earth
...and to unite the planet requires getting the goyim serfs (that's us) to believe that interplanetary travel is possible.

Goyim, you say?

So which is it, exactly? Are the hidden puppet-masters Satanists, or are they Jews?

Wait, wait, don't tell me...

Let me guess...

You're one of those people who believes they're one and the same, aren't you?

Real Jews believe their Torah, not the infernal Talmud, which contradicts and repudiates the Torah.

The Talmud teaches hatred and contempt of the goy, as in if a goy falls into a crevice, pull the ladder away. If a goy is drowning and calling for help, let them drown. It's okay not to pay a goy for his work and to lie to a goy. When goy have sex it's like animals doing it, on and on. And the things the TAlmud says about Jesus are pure blasphemy. No other religion is so antichrist, so at war against Jesus and Christians as Judaism. No other religion exalts its members to collective godhood and aspires to seat a world dictator on the throne of Solomon's Temple to rule the world in a Fourth Reich as do the Zionist Talmudic Jews.

And the Cabala, the Babylonian Jewish Cabala, is straight out of Babylon, occultic, black magic, and the foundational document for the Freemasons and other Lucufierian secret societies.

No other religion is so racist, so hateful, so unmerciful and so Satanic as Talmudic Judaism.

Yes, the "hidden puppet masters" of the Bilderbergs, of our politicians here in the U.S. are the British Zionists (aka Federal Reserve Bank of London), the off-shore banksters who are presently stealing trillions of American tax dollars to their off-shore lairs, waiting until they deliberately implode the economy more and come in to buy everything up that's left for pennies on the dollar.

Originally posted by tallcool1
I may need to actually get that book or find it online and read it. Collusion between the USA and the USSR for some reason is interesting - I can't buy into any "ET" connection, but this is an interesting theory nonetheless.

I doubt you'll be able to read their book online, but you might be able to watch the documentary I'd mentioned. I found it on Google video and once on Demonoid under the title, "What Happened on the Moon?"

Lots of other, unrelated videos will also come up if you search for that title, however.

Their book, "Dark Moon," is worth having. It's especially interesting to read alongside Richard C. Hoagland's "Dark Mission," as the two books have nearly identical titles and cover art, and they both allege massive fraud and conspiracy throughout the US and Soviet space programs.

On the surface, one might think the two books would arrive at vastly different conclusions, given that Bennett and Percy get lumped in with the "Moon Hoax" crowd, while Hoagland, when debating or debunking Moon-hoax theorists, is about as unforgiving as a shark tearing through an intoxicated swimmer (a polite, good-humored shark, but a shark nonetheless). However, they really aren't too far apart. Bennett/Percy even reference Hoagland in the later chapters of their book, and seem to base some of their ideas on his work, especially with regards to hyperdimensional physics, crop circles, and Mars.

Check 'em out!

Originally posted by Salt of the Earth
Real Jews believe their Torah, not the infernal Talmud, which contradicts and repudiates the Torah...

Listen pal, you're talking to a real Jew, and you've got some nerve presuming to tell me -or anybody- what it is that "real Jews" believe.

You denounce Zionism, claim that it's un-Jewish (which it kinda is), yet you speak as if Jews and Zionists are the same thing.

Sure. I'd be helping to run the world's banks right now, but I'm too busy keeping the Black Man down and selling pornography to youngsters.

Are you even aware of the fact that the very first Zionists were Evangelical "Christians" based in the United States? No? I didn't think so.

Do your homework.

And while you're at it, enroll in your local community college and take an introductory course on Critical Thinking. It'll do you a world of good.

Richard Hoagland is on the payroll of NASA, and his mission is to convince people that life originated on Mars, and that the Martians came here and engineered our life forms.

If he and other minions in the controlled media and Illuminati operatives can convince us of this, then when the fake alien invasion is sprung on us, people will accept it more easily coming from Mars than from some star in some galaxy 30 million light years away.

In other words, they are setting us up -- again. Setting us up to believe their hoaxing lies, their mind control, just like they set us up for 9/11 by playing all the bin laden footage on the TV over and over ad nauseum.

They figure years of TV space shows and Hollywood space movies have primed us to believe in aliens coming to visit.

Hoagland is a paid liar who is working for the Freemasonic Nazi Zionists of NASA to propagandize us into believing their nonsense so they can bringon their world tyranny, and bring their buddies topside, the slimy demons they traffick with in the DUMBs, where they do unspeakable things to children and deliberately try to create chimeras out of a horror movie.

Richard Hoagland, Satan's messenger of lies and deceit.

Originally posted by flightsuit

Originally posted by Salt of the Earth
Real Jews believe their Torah, not the infernal Talmud, which contradicts and repudiates the Torah...

Are you even aware of the fact that the very first Zionists were Evangelical "Christians" based in the United States? No? I didn't think so.

Actually not the first. The first Zionists were the Rothschilds who conspired with Harry Truman to steal Palestine. They also worked with their agent CI Scofield to introduce pretrib doctrines and to introduce all the dispensational doctrines that center around the Jews and Jerusalem. Scofield was Zionist sponsored, Oxford Publishing gladly printed his footnotes, and the goal to trick and disarm the Christian church, which was seen as a foe of Zionism, was realized, and the Christians turned into an ally instead of a formidable foe.

Lacunza, a Jew turned Jesuit, first invented the pretrib doctrine.

Today Evangelicals like John Hagee, Jerry Falwell (deceased) Pat Robertson, and many other so-called evangelicals are on the payroll of the British Zionists. Hagee has a television of close to 100 million thanks to the Zionists who own the stations, promoting his message, and have made him filthy rich.

Some people, lots of people, will do anything for money. Money talks as they say, and there are always people up for sale -- people like Robertson, Hagee, Falwell, and all the rest of the phony Christian Evangelicals.

Any religion that bases itself on self-glorification and hatred of Jesus and followers of Jesus is one sick and evil religion. Whether duped "evangelicals" support Zionism or not is irrelevant. I'm sure most Chbristians have not a clue how evil the Talmud is or how much Judaism teaches hatred to Christians and to the God of Christianity Jesus Christ. The Jews have made it a point to hide this information, knowing how evil and unacceptable it is that this information should be known to people and that if they knew they would no longer be pouring billions into Israel or turning a blind eye to the atrocities and murders perpetrated on the Palestinians.



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Listen, Salt-of-the-Earth,

I'm new here, and, as online communities go, I'd say ATS is one of the more judiciously moderated forums I've seen, with very high standards of conduct and, I think, very little tolerance for trolling and flame wars.

Out of respect for ATS, and a desire to be a valued contributor of ideas, I feel I should really avoid getting into it with you any further.

You are, however, clearly a person who is so filled with beliefs about things that there's no room left in your head for actual knowledge of those things.

Belief is a poor, poor substitute for knowledge, and whatever whacko, quasi-Christian, covert-racist claptrap belief system you've bought into is a poor substitute for real spirituality, patriotism, or dissent.

And now I will try to be done with you, as I came here to poke fun at Bart Sibrel, as opposed to burdening you with the knowledge that you're making yourself look hateful and silly. I'm embarrassed that I'm even stooping to the level of writing these words. So...

Good day to you, Sir.

Originally posted by flightsuit
Listen, Salt-of-the-Earth,

I'm new here, and, as online communities go, I'd say ATS is one of the more judiciously moderated forums I've seen, with very high standards of conduct and, I think, very little tolerance for trolling and flame wars.

Out of respect for ATS, and a desire to be a valued contributor of ideas, I feel I should really avoid getting into it with you any further.

You are, however, clearly a person who is so filled with beliefs about things that there's no room left in your head for actual knowledge of those things.

Belief is a poor, poor substitute for knowledge, and whatever whacko, quasi-Christian, covert-racist claptrap belief system you've bought into is a poor substitute for real spirituality, patriotism, or dissent.

And now I will try to be done with you, as I came here to poke fun at Bart Sibrel, as opposed to burdening you with the knowledge that you're making yourself look hateful and silly. I'm embarrassed that I'm even stooping to the level of writing these words. So...

Good day to you, Sir.

Well, there are lots of evil things said on these forums about Jesus and about people who believe in Jesus. But anytime somebody points out the evil things that are said in the Talmud about Christians and Jesus, that it is a religion of total hate toward the goy and to all nonJews, the Jews here go crying to the Mods that it is "hate speech."

It's the old "Intolerance of intolerance will NOT be tolerated."

In other words, we have to tolerate YOUR bigotry, your racism, your hatred and contempt to us and to God. If we complain or even just report on it as it is, this is not to be allowed because somehow practicers of Judaism consider themselves more special than everybody else, that they are a cut or two or three above the rest of us, and nobody must ever criticize them as they go about stealing other people's lands, stealing all the money from the U.S. treasury, shooting bunker busters into the tunnels where the poor Palestinians lie quivering in fear, and provoking wars to send American soldiers to fight and die killing the enemies of Israel.

Or if we point out that our Constitution FORBIDS sponsoring a religion, or a religious state, and especially a religious state, this is hate speech, that the Jews are special and deserve to have nonJews supply them with billions each year and give them the latest high tech weapons to kill the Palestinians and Lebanese with, even other Christians. Doesn't matter. Jews are special, and we should just help them create their utopian New World Order run by demons (aliens) and the antichrist phony Jewish messiah.

Real Jews believe the Torah and don't hate Jesus, the Messiah promised in Scripture. Fake Jews say Jesus was a scoundrel and that he is burwning in firey excrement in Hell and that Mary was a whore and that the goy are like cattle and more things that are so bad I won't even say, but they are in the Talmud, stuff about excrement. There's a lot in the Talmud about excrement and sex with kids, and more stuff that is so evil people would not believe it and probably don't believe it.

Listen to Texe Marrs this week, his broadcast, where he is talking about this very stuff I discuss here:

Back on the subject at hand...

There are times when C2CAM has a guest on that is just so stupid, I have to facepalm repeatedly. Usually they're on Ian's show, but Ian is good at correcting them (a lot of the time it's someone who thinks they know something about the Bible to further their agenda, and Ian kinda laughs and shuts them down). But Bart Sibrel took the cake last night. I completely agree with Buzz decking the guy, as this idiot should be punched in the face wherever he goes.

If his main segment wasn't enough, when they brought him back to speak with the photographer who actually developed the Apollo 11 photos at Boeing, the stupidity hit the fan.

The guy was very calm and intelligent while explaining things, but Sibrel was going off the deep end and kept interrupting him with absolute stupidity.

I'm emailing C2C to ask that they never give this idiot airtime again.

Wouldn't you think by now we would have a base on the moon? For military purposes if nothing else. What a great platform for, who knows what.

Instead we have the space shuttle. A lame obsolete piece of junk that has killed how many?

Sibrel brings up some great points that need to be answered by NASA.

Originally posted by whaaa
Wouldn't you think by now we would have a base on the moon? For military purposes if nothing else. What a great platform for, who knows what.

Instead we have the space shuttle. A lame obsolete piece of junk that has killed how many?

Sibrel brings up some great points that need to be answered by NASA.

Too many people lost interest for them to be able to get enough money to go back. Too much of "Let's fix the problems on earth before we worry about space." To put a permanent base on the moon would cost probably in the Trillions of dollars. It's going to cost about $105B to get back to the moon on their first trip. They're looking at at least $500-800B to set up ANY kind of presence on the moon.

His point about the Space Shuttle is completely stupid.

The Shuttle accidents happened due to how the craft is launched. Both Challenger and Columbia were caused by external elements from the SRBs and fuel tank.

Challenger was lost due to the o-ring on the SRB cracking.

Columbia was lost due to foam falling off the external fuel tank and damaging the orbiter.

The Saturn V rockets didn't have those problems, which is why NASA will NEVER develop a spacecraft again that can be damaged in liftoff by external fuel tanks or boosters.