Finally hitting middle America

The update for today is that I've checked three Walmart's, one Joe's Sports, and one army surplus store in my area.

All three Walmart's were out of everything aside from .17mm which are varmint rounds.

Joe's Sports had one box of 30.06, no .45, no .40, a couple boxes of .22, three boxes of .308. and no .223 rounds. I bought that last box of 30.06.

The army surplus store had some of each, but only one or two boxes. They are an out of the way place, so many don't know where they are.

I talked to a manager at Walmart and asked them when the shipments come in, and he said weekly, but they hadn't received anything from their distribution center as far as ammo goes for the past two weeks.

Do this mean anything significant is happening? I can't say that for sure, but it is suspicious. I'm happy to have the stores of ammo that I have and I don't need to panic. I'm curious to see what the folks at Fusion Ammo say when they reply.

reply to post by Merriman Weir


Also the US military has spent a lot of time in its specialised guerilla warfare training camp - Iraq

You guys are just a little late!
Shoulda been using that plastic cash for something important!
Don't forget the food too! Good luck with whats left.

P.S. From what I've seen the bulk ammo is backordered
from online stores and only thing left local is 12gauge or 22 shells.
Somethings up and it don't take a psychic to see it.
The peeps around here are too broke to buy it anyway so thats not it.
I think the supply is prolly being phased out for the new ammunition accountability act.


[edit on 21-3-2009 by dodadoom]

Originally posted by j2000
I just went down to buy some ammo.

Could not get any.

I am in Wichita Kansas, we have not had a big problem with getting mostly what ever you wanted.

Each store said that several people came in this morning and bought up what was left.

No - 9mm, 380, .22, 10/22, 308, 40, 45, 44, 357, 223, 222, 30-30, 50cal

I got some 12 gauge and .410, but they were almost out also.

I know alot of people are buying this stuff, but from what the stores tell me, they are not getting anything. Most think that there is something going on. They have had heavy times like this before, 9/11 etc. but have always been able to keep things coming.

I think the Govt. is already playing with our supply.
We need a whistle blower to come from someplace and put this right.

now im worried! americans running out of ammo! thats scary! well us brits gotta settle with slingshots and if your lucky a crossbow!

reply to post by dodadoom


I also stockpiled the day after the election and again on September 15th when the DOW dropped 777 points. I made a mad dash but had to hit 3 different stores to get enough 44 mag ammo. They were all low on ammo then too.

Originally posted by dodadoom
You guys are just a little late!

Shoulda been using that plastic cash for something important!
Don't forget the food too! Good luck with whats left.

I agree. Lucky for me, I DID listen quite a while ago and I have significant stores already procured. I know others are out looking, so that's why I go out and report back what I find in my local area. One thing I do admit to not having is the ability to reload. I've wanted to get into it, but don't have the equipment needed to do it.

I think the supply is prolly being phased out for the new ammunition accountability act.

Even the thought of this Act worries me. I know there's no Act like this going through Congress, so there's nothing eminent, but the idea that the Government would even TRY to do something like this nationwide at the same time really does seem too optimistic even for some conspiracy theorists. The US Government can't manage to handle the simplest of things, how do you think they'll manage trying to get everyone to give up their old ammo (because they say so) without that ammo being fired at them? Just sit back and think about how that'd go in a State like Montana, or even Connecticut. The government would, hands down, get its @$$ handed to it from literally every angle. Now think of them trying to do that in multiple States. Now think of them trying to do that in all 50 States simultaneously. The government would fail, not a little, but entirely, and they'd spark a war they'd lose, because at least HALF of the people they'd think were on their side, would actually oppose them if they were ever stupid enough to even try to issue an order like that.

The one thing that I'm really curious about is the lack of available ammo. These are private companies and they certainly aren't going to yield to the government without putting out the word to everyone they they are being strong armed by the government. I look forward to hearing from Fusion Ammo in the following days. Maybe that'll help clarify what's up.

reply to post by wonderworld

I am still snapping up what I can too!
I started stocking up a year ago and I dont think it was hardly
soon enough!
Am enjoying your thread on the AA act!
I started a thread to get ideas on how much ammo one needs,
but what good is it if we can no longer buy it anyway!
This is one time I'm glad to not live in one of the states listed.
(for now)
P.S. Theres still no decent ammo though.

reply to post by bpg131313

Thanks for your replies!
I imagine most everyone on here is stocked up pretty good.
Maybe its a way to jack the prices up accordingly?
I still think it is very possible for the PTB to bend things to go
their way. Sounds like the states would be left to enforce it mostly.
I dont put anything past anyone, especially not in the
land of the greed home of the fraid!

Edit:
It can happen the way everything else does, under the radar.
The sheeple wont care enough to get out of the easy chair.


[edit on 21-3-2009 by dodadoom]

I went to a gunshow in FLA last week and no ammo shortage, in fact, more than i've ever seen and prices were the same as last year.

reply to post by Z.S.P.V.G.


Lucky for you

I went to find some about 100 rounds for my .45 today to put in the safe and couldn't find any after going to 4 stores. We had a gun show going on but the store across from the place holding the show said people cleaned the gun show out this morning in the first few hours and then cleaned what they had out also.

You could still find shotgun shells and .22 at all the places I went though.

reply to post by zosocoda


She is definitely telling you the truth. Exactly why there is no more ammo. and as of June 2009 it will be ENCODDED ammo. By 2011 NO UNENCODED AMMO ALLOWED. LOOK INTO CODEX ALIMENTARUS TOO. CHECK THIS OUT THERE IS A BILL IN LEGISLATURE IN THE STATE OF WA TO MICROCHIP SEX OFFENDERS TO TRACK THEM. FOR WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO. THEN WE WILL BE NEXT!

Well .. as other posters have stated this isn't a new issue. Plenty of threads on these forums about lack of ammo.

Last one I posted on I had described a brief encounter we had with someone who works at Remmington just east of Little Rock, AR...

His comment was "They (Remmington) can't keep up with the demand for ammo. They're running the plant 6 days a week trying to."

Personally I think this ammo run is a combination of things. For us (my SO & I) it's personal preservation. We don't like the way things are shaping up around the country and want to be able to protect ourselves and our property if/when it comes to it.

reply to post by The God of the Living


There are several of us in this forum that live here in Washington State. If this legislation exists, I haven't seen it (and I go through the dailies of both the House and Senate routinely). Please, provide a Senate or House Bill number for the legislation you discussed, or cite the source you heard about it from. If this is being suggested in this State, I want to know about it so I can actively oppose it. I have been unable to find it in my legislation searches, however.

Back on topic, I'm actively looking into procuring reloading equipment for .45 and 30.06 and will begin learning how to do both. The local gun range is packed, even midweek. Looks like people are getting out and getting their weapons zeroed in.

If you're refering to the Ammo Coding there's another post here on the forums about it ...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

If the other ... I have no clue ...

I can still get tons of ammo here in Reno. They've run out of .270 but that's because I've bought a ton of it. 9mm is plentiful here as well.

To those that think the government can roll right over Americans I have a few things to point out:

1. Most ex military people I know are very well trained and can create an IED HELL for any opposing force. Some people I know aren't ex-mil and can still create an IED Hell.

2. Americans are very resourceful when it come to fighting. Most of my friends and myself included are long time martial artists, and combat trained with weapons and firearms of all types. Few of us have been in the military.

3. Americans have learned alot from studying history. Professional armies cannot fight insurgencies, they never have been able to and they never will be able to. It's just not the kind of war you want to be fighting.

All in all, I place my chips on the peoples' side here. You can have all the helicopters you want, you can have all the tanks you want, you can have all the soldiers who would be WILLING to fight that you want. In the end, your technology can't hit what it can't see.

Aside from all of that, I'm more worried about extremely high crime rates than I am foot soldiers. My brother is in the Army and I know he wouldn't shoot me. The same is true for many in the military.

Originally posted by CuriousSkeptic
I wonder if it's an unconscious hysteria that is driving ammo shortages. I wonder how many of you are white, religious, or conservative. I'm not trying to pick any fights and I'm firm supporter of the 2nd Amendment but from reading threads like these, it really does seem there is a hysteria prevalent through certain cross section of this country.

You think black folks are going to give up their guns and ammo and just roll over? Ohhhhh hell no. America is a melting pot of many strong individuals.
I don't believe this talk about America giving up its sovereignty and world supremacy.
It is not going to happen.
The Founding Fathers got it right with this Republic and it is going to last for a long, long time.
There are no UFOs coming to get us.
There really are two sides... Left and Right.
The cold war is not over.
Other groups really do want to take down America.

I made my weekly excursion to find ammo here and the stockpiles continue to dwindle here in Oklahoma. I can't find 12 gauge 00 Buck anywhere. Even .22 ammo is getting scarce. I've looked online and it's the same story. I've looked for some .45 ACP bullets to reload my brass and it's mainly the high dollar stuff left in the online stores. Time to start casting my own! At least Obama and his cronies can't tax something you cast. So I might as well start getting those materials together. I recommend you do the same.

Originally posted by projectvxn
I can still get tons of ammo here in Reno. They've run out of .270 but that's because I've bought a ton of it. 9mm is plentiful here as well.

To those that think the government can roll right over Americans I have a few things to point out:

1. Most ex military people I know are very well trained and can create an IED HELL for any opposing force. Some people I know aren't ex-mil and can still create an IED Hell.

2. Americans are very resourceful when it come to fighting. Most of my friends and myself included are long time martial artists, and combat trained with weapons and firearms of all types. Few of us have been in the military.

3. Americans have learned alot from studying history. Professional armies cannot fight insurgencies, they never have been able to and they never will be able to. It's just not the kind of war you want to be fighting.

All in all, I place my chips on the peoples' side here. You can have all the helicopters you want, you can have all the tanks you want, you can have all the soldiers who would be WILLING to fight that you want. In the end, your technology can't hit what it can't see.

Aside from all of that, I'm more worried about extremely high crime rates than I am foot soldiers. My brother is in the Army and I know he wouldn't shoot me. The same is true for many in the military.

I had this arguement with my brother-in-law who has swallowed Alex Jones hook line and sinker. If our armed forces ever turn on the population you can bet a vast majority will abandon their post. I served and I love my country but I can guarantee you I wouldn't turn a gun on a fellow citizen because my commander-in-chief told me to. So you may have 500,000 troops against approxiamtely 100 million armed citizens. who do you think comes out on top? If the military decides to go CBR you can bet that others in the military will be against it and the military will eat itself.

This is why our 2nd Amendment is so special and worth fighting for. The US citizens make-up the largest military in the world. Also remember that many of us have enough for others that don't have enough foresight or common sense to protect themselves.

The current shortage is due to the fact that so many are preparing for Obama's new tax on weapons and ammunition. You need enough to ride out Obama's administration and hopefully America will be screaming for change again. But real change, not sit on your ass and let others take care of you change.

As promised, I am posting the reply from Fusion Ammo. Text of the email is included below.

We've seen unprecedented demand for certain calibers of ammunition and
the primers that charge them over the past several years. We've added
capacity to meet the increasing demand and are fulfilling backorders.

This may not add much information to the story, but this is the official response from a vender.

Originally posted by Merriman Weir

Originally posted by WatchRider
I'm not even from the US and I think that's a bs line of thinking.

What advantages the PTB have are negated by the fact that to bring there overwhelming firepower and technology against the militiamen etc they need to have set battlelines and a clear enemy.
Also there needs to be a logistical supply line to keep troops fighting against an enemy. A lot of soldiers (excluding most SF troops) will be paralysed if the logistics chain is messed with.
The militiafolk and other survivalists will not have such problems

In past discussions, things like Vietnam were used as an example of how a minority militia could defeat a supposedly superior fire-power* because of the combat environment. What I said then was that America, like a lot of Vietnam, already has a massive infrastructure in place and a massive network transport system. Also, 'The Powers That Be' would also have access to transport that any militia wouldn't have on any real tangible scale such as planes and helicopters to create a supply line. What are people going to be shooting these planes out of the sky with their handguns and limited ammunition?


*not as cut and dried as many think due to support from China &c.

EDIT: anyway, perhaps this is all going too far off-thread.

[edit on 21-3-2009 by Merriman Weir]

From what I have learnt, the militias don't exactly just have 50cal and other easily obtained stuff as their big guns. They have mil hardware, scuttled out of the system in various ways - missiles, you name it..

I wouldn't be too worried about loosing a little in firepower either way, with the resourcefulness and numbers in the equation. Not to mention the difficulty in making US troops fight civillians. Only with a foreign force you could pull that off, even then it'd be difficult. China? Russia? Mexico? UN? Who..