Two US Navy ships collide off Iran

Originally posted by cbianchi513
I'm thinking this is part of one of the amphib groups out of Pendleton? I'm going to call a buddy out there tonight and find out if any of our MEU troopers are on this cruise.

She's part of the USS Boxer amphib group. I'm not sure where her Marines are embarked from, but Boxer is out of San Diego so they're most likely from Pendleton.

New Orleans IS state of the art. State of the art doesn't mean that accidents can't happen. She's still crewed by humans, and humans make mistakes. The military can do everything that they can to try to keep them from happening, but they can and do still happen.

This could have been a case of the sub coming up and not hearing the New Orleans. That part of the ocean has all kinds of problems with sonar systems because of the depth, so they may just have not heard each other.

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Right... I agree with your theory on the likely cause of the accident, but isn't SOP for surfacing to come to periscope depth and raise the ESM mast at the very least?

I'm 100% certain New Orleans had it's little portion of ocean lit up like a Christmas tree with RF at least!

Incompetance on somebody's part. There's going to be hell to pay for a bubblehead skipper somewhere!

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I was just about to ask that. What are they doing there and how many are there?

We are not gonna have a navy left if they keep colliding into each other.doesn't anyone have radar?

Forward deployment and presence in the region. Sub are deployed anywhere, if you knew anything about the Straits of Hormuz you would know that is an extremely hot area.

This is incompetence, which is becoming more rampant in the military. Too little training and too many hoops to jump through to do anything. I was on the USS Bataan which is the same class ship as the USS Boxer.

You can bet your ass there will be some CO's losing their command.

I don't know...I guess it could just be someone who screwed up.

But this new collision, last month two subs collided, two satellites collided, a few planes have just kind of fallen out of the air, whales are beaching (which I know is common...but still there have been a few reports past few months).

I'm not so sure these are all just accidents.

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They're supposed to, but they don't always. Look at the USS Greenville accident off Hawaii. They had a VIP cruise going, did an emergency surface, and rammed a Japanese fishing boat killing several people, including at least one student. The Ehime Maru was a training vessel for students.

[edit on 3/20/2009 by Zaphod58]

The sun will reach its peak in 2012, that is a fact.


read NASA's website....


For once, please just read it.


Stop looking at 'assumptions'

its the sunstorm/ Solar storm/ SUN SPOTS

why is scientific evidence so hard to put forward on here????

If I told you the meaning of life with all the evidence you would still debate it, and call it the 'flying spaghetti monster'

I did the research, I looked at the data, this is whats happening.

Currently the weather is going bonkers if you hadn't noticed....

you know a tornado appeared in Australia....... we get 'willy willys' small tornadoes that dont do much harm.... but a full blown tornado?.... never.

We have had floods, fires, disease outbreaks, and a #ucking tornado. and your sitting there telling me this isnt happening?????????

please debate the sun storm... and show me some credible evidence disproving the sun doesnt exist... and also please prove to me the flying spaghetti monster exists while your at it!

The Strait of Hormuz is very busy, very crowded and very small. Territorial waters overlap with Iran, Oman and UAE. It basically has internationally recognized inbound and outbound "lanes" for ships to enter and depart the Gulf.

We used to go thru there at about 28 knots, always at night. We would get routinely hailed by the Omani and Iranian Navies. Somebody obviously zigged when they should've zagged.

Two commander's careers are now dead. They'll go ashore in Bahrain and get reassigned to command a desk in DC till they retire.

Stuff happens.

narrow?.. well yeah, but its not that narrow.... if it was we would see more oil tankers having disasters.

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Quite agree with you there, their career is over.

*Ding ding, ding ding* Hartford and New Orleans departing. *Ding ding*

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There are no sunspots going on right now. We're at the solar minimum.

1995 24.2 29.9 31.1 14.0 14.5 15.6 14.5 14.3 11.8 21.1 9.0 10.0
1996 11.5 4.4 9.2 4.8 5.5 11.8 8.2 14.4 1.6 0.9 17.9 13.3
1997 5.7 7.6 8.7 15.5 18.5 12.7 10.4 24.4 51.3 22.8 39.0 41.2
1998 31.9 40.3 54.8 53.4 56.3 70.7 66.6 92.2 92.9 55.5 74.0 81.9
1999 62.0 66.3 68.8 63.7 106.4 137.7 113.5 93.7 71.5 116.7 133.2 84.6
2000 90.1 112.9 138.5 125.5 121.6 125.5 170.1 130.5 109.7 99.4 106.8 104.4
2001 95.6 80.6 113.5 107.7 96.6 134.0 81.8 106.4 150.7 125.5 106.5 132.2
2002 114.1 107.4 98.4 120.7 120.8 88.3 99.6 116.4 109.6 97.5 95.0 81.6
2003 79.5 46.2 61.5 60.0 55.2 77.4 85.0 72.7 48.8 65.6 67.2 47.0
2004 37.2 46.0 48.9 39.3 41.5 43.2 51.0 40.9 27.7 48.4 43.7 17.9
2005 31.3 29.2 24.5 24.4 42.6 39.6 39.9 36.4 22.1 8.5 18.0 41.2
2006 15.4 5.0 10.8 30.2 22.2 13.9 12.2 12.9 14.5 10.4 21.5 13.6
2007 16.9 10.6 4.8 3.7 11.7 12.0 10.0 6.2 2.4 0.9 1.7 10.1
2008 3.4 2.1 9.3 2.9 2.9 3.1 0.5 0.5 1.1 2.9 4.1 0.8
2009 1.5 1.4

www.ips.gov.au...

So far they have averaged 1.5 sunspots for January, and 1.4 for February. The biggest thing to happen this year with the sun so far is a coronal hole a couple of weeks ago.

As for the straits, they ARE narrow, and they are shallow. Shallow water makes it harder for sonar to work. At the narrowest point the Strait is only 29 miles across. The traffic lane is only 6 miles across, but only about 15 tankers a day go through. It's also entirely possible that the sub was traveling submerged. January 2007, the USS Newport News collided with the M/V Mogamigawa while the Newport News was submerged.

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yes we are in the solar minimum.... but havent you read the news articles or even watched the solar storm clips? the mass ejections are so big they blinded satelites! Dont you remember the so called 'ignition of jupiter?" if you hadnt noticed it was a mass ejection from the sun caused by a sun spot.


there are solar flares and sunspots going on, I don't know where you got those numbers, but I do not accept them as credible evidence.


I will post information ASAP regarding this are you are misleading.

in 24 hours I will post as much information as I can get.

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Did I miss something?

What do sunspots and 2012 have to do with ships colliding in the Straits of Hormuz?

reply to post by XIZTENZ


I've been watching SOHO and haven't seen these huge solar storms.

earthobservatory.nasa.gov...
sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov...

Looking on the SOHO site, there have been almost no sunspots for the entire month. There was a lot of activity early in January, but I only looked at March for right now, since I don't have a lot of time to dig into this right now.

Originally posted by Astyanax
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Did I miss something?

What do sunspots and 2012 have to do with ships colliding in the Straits of Hormuz?

A solar flare that is strong enough can disrupt navigation, communications, and all kinds of other things we take for granted.

I honestly don't know much about the current solar flare activity. But could it be possible that even if there is a decreased in quanity, there could be an increase in intensity?

I would assume they also measure that...anyone have any data on the intensity of recent solar flares?

Also...is there any other energy "bursts" that could come from somewhere else besides the sun...deeper from space???

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My predictions made on 30 January 2009 on ATS:

Gasoline/oil prices will skyrocket again.

The economy will get much, much worse. Massive unemployment. At least 20%.

Gold will go well over $1000 an ounce. Perhaps $1700 an ounce.

Schools will go to 4 day work weeks as well as many other companies and institutions.

There will be civil unrest due to unemployment and withholding of promised benefits.

There will be unsuccessful assassination attempts.

Something will happen with a U.S. Navy Warship.

Weather extremes will worsen.

California will have another earthquake, but it will be big.

There will be a big fire somewhere in Asia.

Russia and Iran will cause problems.

There will be a big environmental issue even though the economy is bad.

An animal, possibly a dog will evolve.

www.newscientist.com...


read this.... this is the REAL 2012....