H.R. 1388 - "Required Service" and "Mandatory Volunteer"

reply to post by RcknShdw

But stating as such, unless the parents waive their rights and grant emancipation to their children (which can cause a whole slew of problems in itself), said children have no rights until they reach 18 years of age (which is a maturity issue to understand the rights you have been given). I can see where you're coming from, but we live in America, we have to play by her rules.

Please don't post false information on this thread. You obviously do not know or understand the entire issue of rights and minors.
I would suggest that before you post something, you research it, rather than posting your "feelings".

In most states, minors as young as 14 have many legal rights. Let me give you just one example:
www.pinofpa.org...

Voluntary Mental Health Treatment of Children 14 Years of Age and Older Voluntary examination and treatment may be authorized by any person 14 years old or older who feels he or she is in need of treatment and understands the nature of voluntary treatment. For parents, this means that if your child is willing to seek treatment in an inpatient facility, you need not go through any legal procedures. Before your child is accepted for treatment, he or she must be given a full explanation of the types of treatment that may be provided and the possible restraints or restrictions which may be imposed. He or she also must be given a consent form to sign. By signing the form, your child agrees to placement at a specified facility for a specific period of time. Voluntary inpatients may withdraw their consent to treatment at any time by giving written notice and must in all cases be released within 72 hours of such notice. If the hospital believes your child needs more treatment and your child is unwilling, it must apply to a court for permission to detain him or her involuntarily.

I could list dozens of rights that are reserved to minors by the law, but I would suggest that you learn to research facts before posting. You might learn something in the process.

To help you along in your quest for knowledge and truth, here is a site that has many links to rights of minors:

library.smc.edu...

Suit Up!
Get your power armor on.

Get ready for your off-world trip, and let's go get those "Bugs"!

Come on you apes! Do you want to live forever?!

Humans make excellent "fodder".
Hehe.

If this means it will be easier to get internships and volunteering positions with the government's research institutions...
This is AWESOME.

reply to post by ravenshadow13


So you want to work for the government?
Nothing wrong with that, but this Mandatory workforce is NOT the way.
Aren't there other programs for internships?

When the only good jobs left are in government, watch out!

Section 6104 (Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed) of H.R. 1388 was taken out before it was voted on and passed.

www.govtrack.us...

It's now in H.R. 1444.

www.govtrack.us...

Grab your ankles, protect your family and double bolt your doors this thing passed the Senate. Barry just needs to sign off with his Crayola to make it official.

Here is the nitty gritty.
www.govtrack.us...

Originally posted by jibeho
Grab your ankles, protect your family and double bolt your doors this thing passed the Senate. Barry just needs to sign off with his Crayola to make it official.

Here is the nitty gritty.
www.govtrack.us...

I'm confused, how am I to grab my ankles and bolt the door all at the same time? I've never tried such a thing but hey, change is what we asked for isn't it? It looks like we'll all be trying some new things pretty soon.

Originally posted by jibeho
Grab your ankles, protect your family and double bolt your doors this thing passed the Senate. Barry just needs to sign off with his Crayola to make it official.

Here is the nitty gritty.
www.govtrack.us...

Read the bill. Find me the line or section everyone is complaining about.

It's not there. It was removed. It was moved to another bill.

Are there other "horrors" in 1388 I'm missing?

Originally posted by BRQuick

Originally posted by jibeho
Grab your ankles, protect your family and double bolt your doors this thing passed the Senate. Barry just needs to sign off with his Crayola to make it official.

Here is the nitty gritty.
www.govtrack.us...

Read the bill. Find me the line or section everyone is complaining about.

It's not there. It was removed. It was moved to another bill.

Are there other "horrors" in 1388 I'm missing?

I have read this bill inside out. I and others have cited this bill in multiple threads. It contains language far beyond the simple word mandatory that concerns me. Perhaps you haven't read it or you simply read it while wearing your Obama issued Rose Colored Glasses.

I hope you look good in the color Brown.

You are referring to H.R. 1444. This bill will be slipped in through the back door just like 1388 was. Just wait for the next big distraction in the MSM. Perhaps the N. Korea missile crisis should suffice. 2 of Our battleships are already on the way.

[edit on 27-3-2009 by jibeho]

Let me expand on the sections of H.R. 1444 that pose serious concern.
www.washingtonwatch.com...

5) The effect on the Nation, on those who serve, and on the families of those who serve, if all individuals in the United States were expected to perform national service or were required to perform a certain amount of national service.

Section 5 discusses the study of required national service and the effect it would have on the individuals and their families. The implications are obvious. First of all, they would not study this, if they did not intend to carry it out. I worked with government agencies on a contract basis for over 25 years, and I can tell you with certainty, that the government modus operandi is to decide what they want to do, then form a "committee" that determines that it is appropriate and necessary.

(6) Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds.

Section 6 has some very interesting code words. I have underlined them. Let me tell you who will determine when the social fabric of the Nation is strengthened- those in power. Regardless of whether the American public decides otherwise, the government will tell YOU what is improvement. Improvement will mean training youth to obey the government, think alike, and don't worry about the US constitution, because it will be ignored.
This is EXACTLY what Hitler did. He knew that by training the youth, with his Hitler Youth program, he would have generations of good little Nazis. It was only because the allies defeated him, that he did not succeed. With our "allies" now thoroughly in the socialist camp, no one, other than a courageous few in this country, will protest. Why? Because the other government actions will make the majority completely dependent upon the government. It will take courage and sacrifice to wage opposition to this theft of the Constitution.

(7) The need for a public service academy, a 4-year institution that offers a federally funded undergraduate education with a focus on training future public sector leaders.

Section 7 is one of the tools that they will use to brainwash the "Obama youth". Future public sector candidates will be chosen by the faux two-party system to run for office. This will guarantee that the system continues.

(8) The means to develop awareness of national service and volunteer opportunities at a young age by creating, expanding, and promoting service options for primary and secondary school students and by raising awareness of existing incentives.

Section 8 is the most ominous part of this bill. It telescopes the reach of this horrific program down to the primary schools. Your children, starting in kindergarten, will be taught that this socialist way is the way to good citizenship. From there, it is obvious what will happen. If you don't go along with this program, their teachers will know, because they will give their "children" assignments to write and tell(for those too young to write) in class how their parents are not cooperating.

Think this is fantasy? Then you have learned nothing from history. This is always how it is done.
One need only look at the lessons of Stalin, Hitler, Osama Bin Laden, and others to see that this bill is the standard play book to take over the youth of a nation, and thus control it's destiny.

reply to post by ProfEmeritus


Thanks for painting a vivid picture. I just hope people will be smart enough to understand the magnitude of what is actually happening under our proverbial noses.

Clearly, many are incapable of of this comprehension. Because how on earth could Obama steer them wrong.

ProfEmeritus - Nicely done. You've summed up what my own concerns are with this bill...

reply to post by jibeho

Thank you for your support. I think the problem that lies ahead is what has always been the problem. As you said:

This bill will be slipped in through the back door just like 1388 was. Just wait for the next big distraction in the MSM.

The MSM is complicit in the treasonous actions of this Administration and Congress. Therefore, only people like you, Shrike071 and others who have read the bill, and understood it's implications, will know about it. I guarantee that the MSM will not cover this story at all, other than, perhaps to mention that a "study for volunteer service" passed Congress and was signed by Obama.

As I said above, I worked with the government on studies, none of a political nature, but the modus operandi is always the same- decide to what to, then create a study to justify it. Anyone that ever worked as a government contractor for even one week understands that to be true.

Obama is an admitted scholar of Marxism. The principle objectives of Marxism center in undermining the status quo because only after the existing order is sufficiently weakened can it be dismantled and a thoroughgoing socialist system installed in its place.

This is what has been slowly taking place since his inauguration. Barry has no intention of improving our nation. His deeply rooted Marxist beliefs inspire him to create mayhem, disruption and virtual economic collapse. To further his agenda Barry and his handlers have made concerted efforts to silence any and all critics in the media. Just watch a Gibbs press briefing... The attacks on Limbaugh and Cramer to name just a few.

The new Obamanation will arise from the ashes only to collapse under its own weight.

Enough said. I am growing weary of this insanity.

edit to add my comments from another thread: ACORN, Obama's pet project, is already being protected.

One further note to point out. An amendment from Sen. Vitter to block ACORN from receiving GIVE/SERVE funds was tabled and ultimately blocked, with an early vote count of 53-43. I am sure Obama's old friends at ACORN will be hard at work to make sure they are first in line for their portion of this $6billion pie. WTF is going on here. All this bill needs now is for the puppet to put his big old X on the line.

[edit on 27-3-2009 by jibeho]

Originally posted by jibeho

Originally posted by BRQuick

Originally posted by jibeho
Grab your ankles, protect your family and double bolt your doors this thing passed the Senate. Barry just needs to sign off with his Crayola to make it official.

Here is the nitty gritty.
www.govtrack.us...

Read the bill. Find me the line or section everyone is complaining about.

It's not there. It was removed. It was moved to another bill.

Are there other "horrors" in 1388 I'm missing?

I have read this bill inside out. I and others have cited this bill in multiple threads. It contains language far beyond the simple word mandatory that concerns me. Perhaps you haven't read it or you simply read it while wearing your Obama issued Rose Colored Glasses.

I hope you look good in the color Brown.

You are referring to H.R. 1444. This bill will be slipped in through the back door just like 1388 was. Just wait for the next big distraction in the MSM. Perhaps the N. Korea missile crisis should suffice. 2 of Our battleships are already on the way.

[edit on 27-3-2009 by jibeho]

I know what I was referring to.

I was asking (maybe not in the best way) for what what other things you were concerned about that were in it. I wanted to know what else was in it to make me grab my ankles and double bolt my door now that it's passed.

Because the only thing I've seen is people mentioning is the mandatory volunteerism which was taken out and moved to 1444 so it could be slipped through.

And the "Obama issued rose colored glasses" comment was uncalled for. Don't assume that just because I ask a question (again...maybe I could have worded it better) about something means I agree with it.

And thanks to ProfEmeritus for laying it out so nicely.

***edited to add the thanks***

[edit on 27-3-2009 by BRQuick]

reply to post by BRQuick


Sorry about the rose colored glasses comment. Perhaps I misunderstood your question.

Here is an example of some of the verbiage from the bill. The youth engagement zone program has all of the trappings of classic indoctrination. Section B makes this mandatory.

3) YOUTH ENGAGEMENT ZONE PROGRAM- The term ‘youth engagement zone program’ means a service learning program in which members of an eligible partnership described in paragraph (4) collaborate to provide coordinated school-based or community-based service learning opportunities, to address a specific community challenge, for an increasing percentage of out-of-school youth and secondary school students served by local educational agencies where-- ‘(A) not less than 90 percent of the students participate in service-learning activities as part of the program; or ‘(B) service-learning is a mandatory part of the curriculum in all of the secondary schools served by the local educational agency.


There is even a little line regarding the Summer Work Program that includes in specific words, youth in foster care. Youth in foster care are wards of the state. Who is protecting them? The govt.??


SEC. 1504. SUMMER NATIONAL SERVICE PROGRAM. Section 154 (42 U.S.C. 12614) is amended-- (1) in subsection (a)-- (A) by striking ‘Civilian Community Corps Demonstration Program’ and inserting ‘National Civilian Community Corps Program’; and (B) by striking ‘on Civilian Community Corps’ and inserting ‘on National Civilian Community Corps’; and (2) in subsection (b), by striking ‘shall be’ and all that follows through the period at the end and inserting ‘shall be from economically and ethnically diverse backgrounds, including youth who are in foster care.’.


There are many more sections like this within the bill. You just have to be able to sort through the legal jargon. Its all in there.

Originally posted by shrike071
WAKE UP, PEOPLE!!!

LINK to bill

Quote:
"Upon looking through this bill, it is veryy disturbing to see the words "required" and "madatory voluneer" in section VI 6104. Why would that language be in any kind of legislation present, future or possible that supposedly is completely voluntary?

It sounds like the "mandatory volunteer Service" Obama and Rham talked about in interviews but then scrubbed their site of the language when people became upset.

It appears it was slipped in here under everyone's nose. No doubt to be overlooked until this legislation passes and they can make it required instead of voluntary."

Now I must ask all of you:
ARE YOU A SHEPHERD OR ARE YOU SHEEP?

Mod Edit: Use of All Caps – Please Review This Link.

[edit on 18 Mar 09 by Gools]

I don't agree with a lot of what you post, but on this we are in agreement; it's dead wrong, and they aren't researching it for fun; they fully intend to implement such a plan. They change the language to slip it by unnoticed. People need to wake up to this.

Originally posted by daddyroo45
I have written my congressman about this bill. The use of the wording,"REQUIRED and "MANDATORY"smacks of communism. A volunteer program should never consider the words ,required or mandatory.

What's next? What are our fine congress men and women going to force down our collective throats next? Mandatory and required suicide for the old and infirm,or those with decreased mental capacity?

After all,in the eyes of a progressive nation where volunteer service is mandatory,the useless feeders are a drain on resources.

That's exactly what they are trying. Language in the health plan (now removed, I think) about death "counseling". Heck, they even want that for veterans. Not sick ones, mind you, but any that might be "unhappy" or some such crap. Veterans, being offered suicide counseling to DO IT? I kid you not. How long before the support of abortion becomes forced abortion, like happened in Germany a few decades back? When are people going to learn anything?

reply to post by hotbakedtater


The draw back is giving the government power to force you to do something when you've not comitted a crime.

This isn't the governments right or job. That's all I have to say about that, really.

That is why volunteering means free will and option...forced volunteering, is the work fo Hitler, Stalin and the like. I would hope huge destructive lawsuits come about in the near future, when these kids turn 18, from them and family members alike..i think the problem is, everyone fears governemnt* people thik they will neer win a court case against the FED, and here is the outcome from not trying or doing so..slavery. ont be afraid to fight back, for yuor freedom and constitutional rights. Their not going to murder you..keep that in mind. absue yuo a little and harrass you, if you sued...thas abuot it. no one said life was fair, or easy, its time to live by those standards to fight for yuor right, rights, and self control. NO one owns you but you one and all! Not the FED
Hows does it make you feel, in another sense, you volunteer, enlist, and some dude from i dunno, India, pakistan, central america, is your seargeant, commander, barking orders at you, in a systemt hat caters too their countrys, and haas forgotten about you, the citizen!