What gets me about the "contact" claimers.

Okay, imagine your in a highly advanced spaceship, and you can travel anywhere in the universe. You stumble upon a planet that is less advanced than Earth is (technologically, religiously, etc.) and they don't know of your presence. They have leaders and presidents and such, but are kinda how we were in the 1800's. Now, would it make sense to barge in and talk to any ol' person? Or maybe observe this planet, then when deemed safe, contact the leaders?

With this said, how could someone think of themselves so highly, as to be contacted by an entirely foreign organism? It truly baffles me how some people are so arrogant.

[edit on 16-3-2009 by denirohascome]

Well, I can not speak for any one else but if I learned of another species on another planet and I had the chance to go see them, I would love to go do it. I would jump at that chance no matter where they are on the evolutionary scale! If I felt it was safe, I would love to go meet there leaders and act as an ambassodor for our planet!

I mean, its an alien species! Wouldn't that be cool to go see?

That said, I bet if aliens found us (no matter how far behind them we are) I bet there would also be aliens who would like to come see us as well and mabye even talk to our leaders.


Wouldnt you like to go see an alien species if you found one and had the chance to? I bet most people would!

Peae and love

GST


[edit on 16-3-2009 by gimme_some_truth]

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I think the "contact claimers" believe the space people have a vested interest in the primitive planet. Like they genetically engineered the peoples or they are in need of the planets resources and use the peoples to mine for them.

Originally posted by gimme_some_truth
Well, I can not speak for any one else but if I learned of another species on another planet and I had the chance to go see them, I would love to go do it. I would jump at that chance no matter where they are on the evolutionary scale! If I felt it was safe, I would love to go meet there leaders and act as an ambassodor for our planet!

I mean, its an alien species! Wouldn't that be cool to go see?

That said, I bet if aliens found us (no matter how far behind them we are) I bet there would also be aliens who would like to come see us as well and mabye even talk to our leaders.


Wouldnt you like to go see an alien species if you found one and had the chance to? I bet most people would!

Peae and love

GST

[edit on 16-3-2009 by gimme_some_truth]

This isn't exactly what I was shooting for.

The example was to explain the E.T.'s point of view in our current "situation", and how it would be unlikely they would contact an ordinary human with no important standings in the current world.

Originally posted by beancloud
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I think the "contact claimers" believe the space people have a vested interest in the primitive planet. Like they genetically engineered the peoples or they are in need of the planets resources and use the peoples to mine for them.

I'm not sure what your getting at here, but if you mean the E.T.'s using the human race as slave labor, then they should invest in another planet. We haven't done much work since the faked moon landings, but that's a whole different topic.

It does seem odd. I attend a UFO conference once a year and the folks there can be quite touchy.

Last year I was at the lone star bar, which is actually a hotel room that everyone parties at when the conference is over for the evening, and I was talking to this really nice lady. Then the conversation went:

Me: "So, are you an abductee?"

She looked at me like I had slapped her and said, "I am a CONTACTEE!!!!

As if I knew the difference. Hell I still don't.

These folks can be touchy, but lots of fun to talk to.

Just one of the many reasons I love ATS.

Originally posted by denirohascome
This isn't exactly what I was shooting for.

The example was to explain the E.T.'s point of view in our current "situation", and how it would be unlikely they would contact an ordinary human with no important standings in the current world.

Let me tell you what I think is arrogant.

To think that you can explain the ET's point of view in the first place.
How can a primitive human with limited knowledge even hope to
know the mind of a being capable of interstellar or interdimensional travel?

We don't even know how the mind of our own species works!


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I do agree somewhat but I also offer the following.

We are the dominant life form on Earth.
We go exploring in wild territories on our own planet all the time, including the oceans and we make contact with so called "lesser" creatures all the time.
Would we be any different if a higher organism instigated contact with us?


Let's say for a moment "I" was contacted.
The "LAST" thing I would do is tell anyone, for my own safety, not to mention, who is going to believe me.
The purpose of the contact must also be made clear, if indeed the instigator was a benefactor and if a message is to be made, I would do my best to convey it without compromising my safety and or integrity.

If the a fore mentioned instigator were to my determination, not a benefactor then I would seek appropriate channels of disclosure with as much proof as I could acquire and as much documentation as I could make.





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Originally posted by denirohascome

With this said, how could someone think of themselves so highly, as to be contacted by an entirely foreign organism? It truly baffles me how some people are so arrogant.

I understand what you are saying. But it is also as arrogant to cleverly attach being arrogant to someone who has had a genuine experience. Your statement implies that aliens would be in a position to just observe and pick a proper time to contact. What if it is imperative to them that they reach us but are being hindered by an equally motivated entity already in place......

What could be concieved as arrogance, is to state a premise without knowing or giving any motivation or idea to the thought processes of (un)said beings.

In fact, your premise only mentions a shaceship and no mention to the inhabitants, are there any?

I will assume there are 'entities' (because I'm not arrogant to say I know the nature of their origin -space, diminsinal, ect) and that these entities are passing by earth. What would make them stop and take a look? I can't even begin to tell you as again, I have no idea of their motives or intent. Zero conception of it. How could I? Wouldn't that be arrogant?

I'm interested in hearing stories from contactees or abudctees, and of course even those who claim to have seen something unidentified because through those stories is the only way we could possibly gleem information as to their motives and intent. Unless...of course...we became abducted or contacted too! ::insert eeire music::

Originally posted by mrwupy
It does seem odd. I attend a UFO conference once a year and the folks there can be quite touchy.

Last year I was at the lone star bar, which is actually a hotel room that everyone parties at when the conference is over for the evening, and I was talking to this really nice lady. Then the conversation went:

Me: "So, are you an abductee?"

She looked at me like I had slapped her and said, "I am a CONTACTEE!!!!

As if I knew the difference. Hell I still don't.

These folks can be touchy, but lots of fun to talk to.

Just one of the many reasons I love ATS.

ROFL!

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It comes down to the person i think.


If the person did not like the fact they had been taken, they will call themselves an Abductee.

If the person was happy to go, they would then call themselves a Contactee.

I will assume there are 'entities' (because I'm not arrogant to say I know the nature of their origin -space, diminsinal, ect) and that these entities are passing by earth. What would make them stop and take a look? I can't even begin to tell you as again, I have no idea of their motives or intent. Zero conception of it. How could I? Wouldn't that be arrogant?

My point exactly! If people are spotting things in the sky and claiming them to be e.t., then go on to say they even made contact with whatever they say is unreal. I only conceptualize the way an e.t. would think based on thought patterns of humans ( for what else could i base it on?).

Ok... I know this is going to upset some people on the forum but I'll write it anyhow. A few years back I read a psychological study into supposed abductee's and contactee's. This is not my point of view but I found it interesting nonetheless.

The findings were as follows:
Many of the people who make the above claims share a few common experiences in their youth. Abandonment issues and marginalization in the formative years at school... i.e. Being shunned by 'in-crowds' combined with a feeling of not 'belonging', (somehow different to all the other kids), a feeling that no one could understand them... of being 'alone'. All these amalgamate into low self esteem and depression.

What the contactee experience does for the person is give them validation. Validation that they were/are special, yet no one else noticed - and the 'contact' is proof of this. Higher beings have traversed the galaxy and entrusted them specifically with a message for humanity. This provides a sense of meaning for why they always felt different. It also provides the vehicle of escapism, and unless addressed by a psychiatrist/psychologist, the episodes will more than likely continue throughout their lives because the real issues have never been addressed. In essence, the contactee experience is a band-aid solution that eventually falls off and exposes the wounds again.

When this happens, the person is primed for another contact experience.

As I said, these are not my points of view, (I'm not a psychiatrist) but it does summarize what I read, and I found it interesting. Don't shoot the messenger ok!

I don't recall reading anything about ego. I think you will find that ego probably doesn't play a major part in most situations. However, I wouldn't be surprised if it applies to people like the Blossom Goodchilds and Rael's of this world.


IRM

Originally posted by jackflap

Originally posted by denirohascome

With this said, how could someone think of themselves so highly, as to be contacted by an entirely foreign organism? It truly baffles me how some people are so arrogant.

I understand what you are saying. But it is also as arrogant to cleverly attach being arrogant to someone who has had a genuine experience. Your statement implies that aliens would be in a position to just observe and pick a proper time to contact. What if it is imperative to them that they reach us but are being hindered by an equally motivated entity already in place......

My point is how could you know they had a genuine experience? In all human logic, it would make sense for us to not jump into things that are unknown. So IF they have a similar logic to us, then they would most likely not make contact with an ordinary human.

We are the dominant life form on Earth.
We go exploring in wild territories on our own planet all the time, including the oceans and we make contact with so called "lesser" creatures all the time.
Would we be any different if a higher organism instigated contact with us?

I believe it would be much different, unless they were so much more advanced, to the point where they look down on us the way we look down on octopi or lobsters for example. In that case, i can see them randomly selecting a person to study.

To think that you can explain the ET's point of view in the first place.
How can a primitive human with limited knowledge even hope to
know the mind of a being capable of interstellar or interdimensional travel?

It was only a simple guess. If they're logic is similar to ours then why come here and select a person with no standing in the world?

Originally posted by denirohascome

This isn't exactly what I was shooting for.

The example was to explain the E.T.'s point of view in our current "situation", and how it would be unlikely they would contact an ordinary human with no important standings in the current world.

Quite the contrary. Should it be I capable of journeying to another planet boasting some form of civilization, I would much prefer to speak to a variety of average, 'ordinary' inhabitants. that's where the true understanding of the society would lie. For what possible reason would would I wish the biased marketing of its 'leaders?'

Originally posted by Wonderer77

Originally posted by denirohascome

This isn't exactly what I was shooting for.

The example was to explain the E.T.'s point of view in our current "situation", and how it would be unlikely they would contact an ordinary human with no important standings in the current world.

Quite the contrary. Should it be I capable of journeying to another planet boasting some form of civilization, I would much prefer to speak to a variety of average, 'ordinary' inhabitants. that's where the true understanding of the society would lie. For what possible reason would would I wish the biased marketing of its 'leaders?'

The problem is, the inhabitants aren't spokespeople for an entire world. They'll have the most biased opinion of all, because they don't know about the people on the other side of the world. Talking to leaders, elected by the general people, would most likely be their course of action (if they thought anything like we did)

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My point exactly. From most accounts, "Aliens" per say, do not have our best interests in mind.