Lose your property for growing food?

here's the full meal deal to track what is exactally going on.

www.govtrack.us...

2nd line

If this isn't a testament to the delicious and nutritious products mosanto produces, I don't know what is.

delauro.house.gov...

Take a look at her website, she looks like death incarnate.

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I've got a good solution....grow your stuff and don't sell it....trade it! They can't manage every Tom, Dick and Harry who wants to grow tomatoes and peppers in his back yard, or if he wants to manage his own family chickens, goats and cows for his family's personal use. Seems to me that while the wording of this bill deals only with those who make a profit from their produce, it won't be long before they start telling every day Joe's that they aren't allowed to grow their own stuff AT ALL, unless the government regulates it. Quite a sticky situation there, huh? The government is already trying to push legislation on having ALL farm animals implanted with chips, excluding those who are not used outside the private home use. What the heck??

So, grow on!! I say grow and grow some more....strike up a neighborhood coop where there is no money involved. If trading is all that is being done, then the government can't get it's fingers in the mix.

Originally posted by emeraldzeus
They can't manage every Tom, Dick and Harry who wants to grow tomatoes and peppers in his back yard, or if he wants to manage his own family chickens, goats and cows for his family's personal use.

In the beginning it will just be a fine, then you will need to register your 3 plants and your chicken so the government knows that you are safe. But people will resist registering on the thoughts that the Feds will show up one day and take your chicken and plants because it possibly harm someone else someday. Where have I heard this arguement before? Hmmm.

Keep your rights, and fight for the rights of others, even if you cant fully agree with them. The more we fight each other, the easier it is for "them" to take all of our freedoms away.

They can't manage every Tom, Dick and Harry who wants to grow tomatoes and peppers in his back yard

They already do that with marijuana, what makes you think it will be any more difficult to regulate this stuff?

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Great criminals on Wall Street can steal trillions and get bonuses, but if you are a hard working farmer and have a glitch they can take your property.

Surreal!

I have grown my own food more than once, and I am going to say this as bluntly as I can on here:

*BLEEP* This legislator
*BLEEP* this law
*BLEEP* the federal government for even considering this..
and Thrice *BLEEP* the corporate farms and manufacturing plants- because if it wasn't for THEM cutting corners and paying off the FDA, WE WOULDN'T BE IN THIS MESS.

reply to post by Moonsouljah

When it comes to the "tainted" food we've heard about, it wasn't small farmers responsible!

It was corporate producers and cheap, immigrant labor; neither of whom care about the product or the consumer - they are looking for $$ and nothing more.

jw

reply to post by evo190

Your "east coast" experience with shoddy and "filthy" farmers is NOT the norm.

My family has farmed in the Midwest and Southwest for over 100 years, and every single farmer and rancher I've met during my life has cared deeply about his stock, his land, his product, and most importantly - his reputation.

No such concern on conglomerate and corporate operations..THEY are the ones with the "bottom line" first and foremost in mind!

It is corporate and conglomerate producers that have been responsible for every single "tainted food" complaint/crisis for over 20 years.

Use your head - a small farmer/producer can only affect a small poplulation of customers. The agro-giants affect everyone.

Small farmers do not make a lot of money. Do not have large (or any) support staff. Additional regs and reports will do nothing but rob them of time to work and produce.

You and Obama will cheer the end of small farms and hate the food you have to accept.


deny ignorance

jw

Originally posted by star in a jar
Besides, this bill isnt about lifestock, its about vegetables and fruits. The government wants to ban people from growing their own fruits and vegetables.

No. the bill and its "Safety" companion, with criminal penalties, covers animals as well as vegetables.

If you sell extra eggs, or chicks at Easter, or any other potential food you will be directly under the law.

jw

I used to think that a lot of things couldn't happen here in the US, that America was different and that people were too smart and informed to let things like this happen. And then stuff started happening and people I used to think were smart and paying attention turned into scared sheep. Obama has been president for a while now and he has taken a few steps in the right direction, but there is so much more left to do and my optimism is wearing really thin.

[edit on 17-3-2009 by AmethystSD]

reply to post by AmethystSD
As long as you don't mind giving up your choice about where your food comes from, no problem.

If you like "farm fresh produce" or true "organic," too bad.

And don't even think of selling or trading from your garden! Or your oven.


jw

Reply to emeralzues ...

If trading is all that is being done, then the government can't get it's fingers in the mix.

Unfortunately this isn't true. I started a thread titled "The IRS and bartering" but it didn't get not one response. lol I think I might post on it again in light of the few posts I've seen where people are stating pretty much the same thing you are. Here's the link to that thread. www.abovetopsecret.com...

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Reply to jdub297

When it comes to the "tainted" food we've heard about, it wasn't small farmers responsible!

It was corporate producers and cheap, immigrant labor; neither of whom care about the product or the consumer - they are looking for $$ and nothing more.

EXACTLY! And this is what I attempted to explain to the Governor of Arkansas along with both our representatives in Congress. Never got any response.

This bill is seriously going to impact the ability of the small farmer and home grower. There's another extensive thread going on about this very same topic. Here's the link to that thread. www.abovetopsecret.com...'

Wasn't it Henry Kissinger who said words to the effect of "control the food supply and you will control the people".

Clearly the controllers of the current world paradigm are # scared and so they should be. They know their time has run its' course, but they just can't let go or picture themselves having to reduce their circumstances and control over others.

Every 6,000 odd years there is a global shift of human consciousness. We are now moving rapidly into the new paradigm (thank God) and so the old one must crumble as the new arises as per the Phoenix mythology.

There will be a new world and we shall sing a new song.

reply to post by wylekat

I have grown my own food more than once, and I am going to say this as bluntly as I can on here: *BLEEP* This legislator *BLEEP* this law *BLEEP* the federal government for even considering this.. and Thrice *BLEEP* the corporate farms and manufacturing plants- because if it wasn't for THEM cutting corners and paying off the FDA, WE WOULDN'T BE IN THIS MESS.

To paraphrase Charlton Heston, the government will have to take my home-grown vegetables "From My Cold, Dead Hands".

If they want a fight, that's what they'll get.

Thanks for the info. I feel like such a slave/lab rat!

Originally posted by evo190


... Over the years I've seen shyster-farmers have 18-wheeler trucks drop off "food" for animals which was nothing more than GARBAGE and hay, mostly garbage. I can only imagine some of the other ways they cut costs and quality. ...

As well as imagining you can read about it: Diet for a New America. That book is mind blowing, You reminded me about it when you mentioned garbage feed. Anyway Im Australian, and I found that book awesome. Every american would do well to read it.. It is not about dieting BTW, but how animals are grown, and the affects etc... anyway, that book made me cry.

holy # batman! WTF is wrong with my country?

I grow a garden! I eat from it! I, and many like me, consider it a HOBBY. Now the government wants to tell me that I could be fined up to a million bucks all because they want me to eat government regulated foods? Would these A$$HOLES KINDLY F*CK OFF?!

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Theyre already trying to disarm us... Y'know, I try to put the blame on both political parties, honestly, I think both are out to screw the American people over. However, what the hell is the democrats problems? Seriously, cap in trade, high taxes, more governmental programs, trying to appease terrorists by not calling them "terrorists," disarming us, and now this sh!t?

This may sound crazy, and we are probably a long way off...perhaps not.
Why does the book and movie "Soylent Green" come to mind?

There's talk about a carbon tax, additional taxes on certain kinds of food (meat, poultry, fish, fast foods, etc.).

Although most farms and ranches are already owned by large corporations and the people running them are basically sharecroppers, there are very few independant farms and ranches left, I have heard that increases in taxations and other restrictions could completely eliminate these independat farmers and ranchers. Thus putting absolutely all food production in the hands of corporations.

How far off is Soylent Yellow, Soylent Red and eventually Soylent Green? Are these new federal regulations a step in the direction? You Decide!