2 down and 2 to go, Under whose authority is Obama the President

Here comes the opinion of a 35 pointer


Obama is or isn't the President , dont matter, it is just a figure head job anyway

Biden , or whoever will just do as he is told, like Obama

Originally posted by TheAmused
Watch this thread closely...
You will see people with 35 ats point ect... posting..

It's the same obama follower's that flooded the site during the election.

They try to How do i say this ...flood obama topic's that may hurt there cause.

So watch closely they are obama supporter's..here with the intent to flame and degrade the post's till it seems pointless.

They will use the same tired race and bait and switch to change the fact ..He might not be legal.

So Be Warned

Interesting. I'm new here and this is the second time on two entirely different subjects that someone is claiming that I and others are only here to screw up their messages. When does that stop and you just get accepted as someone who disagrees?

Paranoia is a hell of a condition.

This is still considered a "major story"? all this is and will always be window dressing something to make supporters of both parties feel that they are really in control.This entire controversy is for show it's something the GOP and Dems and the elite use to keep the entire myth of "the two party system" alive.

Originally posted by manmaidslave
Please stop the "birthcertificate" bashing of Obama. What would you have us do, if you found out he was from Kenya. Then what? put in Mcain/Palin? Oh yeah, that would be much better. pffftt. He is the President as voted in the electoral college and even got 60% of the popular vote, Bush can't say he got the majority of the popular vote even. I don't know how the whole President election thingy goes, but i'm pretty dang sure at some point between saying "I wanna run for President" and taking the oath of office, he had to show proof of citizenship. It is such a cheap and easy shot to say "prove to me your born in the USA" And when he shows evidence of where he is born, will you be satisfied with that or will you rant "He fooled us again, it was a fake".

Pure nonsense!!! IF he isn't eligible its a whole new ballgame, he didn't prove anything like when he ran for office as much as McCain didn't prove anything, untill he was asked to prove it and he did without hesitation.

Now Obama makes a joke out of it by laughing it off when asked.

Simple SO SIMPLE, you as a American have to prove your citizenship just driving through Arizona! WTH !!!!

OBAMA WHIP OUT THE PROOF ......

reply to post by svpwizard
Does it really matter? we don't elect the president at all if we ever did.This is all part of the game you guys on the right and on the left just keep harping on really pointless things and that's just what they want you and everyone else to do,man you all do your part to maintain the illusion and the real tragedy here is they continue to screw us all over.



[edit on 023131p://1626 by mike dangerously]

What? This is still an issue? For pete's sake, he was born of an American citizen. That makes him an American citizen. Read the law, instead of this thread and all the other ones like it.

I am somewhat jaded on thhis issue. What is worse, eight sad years under a President who was never elected by the people for either of his two terms, or a President who some suspect was not born within one of the 50 states? Why weren't you naysayers over Obama up in arms over Bush's illegitimate occupancy of the office? Yeah, I almost forgot, when it's your guy anything goes.

reply to post by walkinghomer

1. The moment he decided to run for President wouldn't there be a party of people responsible for checking is eligibility

NO. A person running for president does not have to prove his eligibility before he is elected president. the only party on the president/ vice president ticket that has to prove they are eligible is the vice presidential candidate. That way if anyone raises the question about the presidential candidates eligibility after they are elected and the president has been found to be ineligible the Vice president can take the office of president.

2. If he managed to pay those people off wouldn't the Clinton's at least attempt to go after him for this

And ruin any chance Hilary had to get elected? your kidding right? IF the Clinton's breathed a word about the Possibility that Obama wasn't a natural born citizen as popular as he was the backlash against Hilary even if true would have cost the Dems the election.

3. Since the Clinton's are of the same Party(Democrats) and might have some sort of conspiracy to make Obama president as they believe he has the better chance to beat McCain. Wouldn't McCain's team look into this. I mean the President at that time was Republican and he has the power to investigate this

And who had a majority in both houses of congress? Most of the Republicans didn't like McCain so do you honestly think he was going to do anything that could cost him votes. lets face it the republicans knew they had little to no chance of winning the election after 8 years of Bush. the Dems could have nominated a monkey and it would have won against McCain. Also McCain had people questioning his own eligibility to be president. Even though he was born to 2 american citizens abroad on sovereign U.S. territory.

4. So now if nobody challenged the fact that he was not born in America then that would lead to some sort of conspiracy and both the Republican and Democrats are in on it.

Makes you wonder why either side didn't question Obama's eligibility If he's not the elites new puppet.

5. If that's the case, what are we arguing about. If he leaves won't they replace him with another one of their own?

Because some people can't possibly believe they were duped by a puppet and Yes they will just replace him with another. we'll be stuck with Biden until the next election.

I remember reading an article where it was proven that he was born in Hawaii because Obama’s Birth announcement in Hawaii newspaper was taken from library microfilm. In that article it show's that the Hospital list the record of all their birth in the newspaper and Obama was listed.

Sorry but that's not proof at all. Obama didn't even have to be in Hawaii for his parents/grandparents to place that announcement. Also there is no date for when that announcement was actually printed in the paper. it could have been days or weeks after he was born for all we know. ( I haven't seen a date that it was published) And it also doesn't explain why he and his sister can't get their stories straight on just which hospital he was born at.

And as for Obama's COLB Hawaii issued COLBs for any birth that was reported to the state whether the birth took place in Hawaii or not. or whether the birth was in a hospital or a home birth.


reply to post by coven

The website Visa Law states:
"When one parent was a US citizen and the other a
foreign national, the US citizen parent must have resided
in the US for a total of 10 years prior to the birth of the
child, with five of the years after the age of 14. An
exception for people serving in the military was created
by considering time spent outside the US on military
duty as time spent in the US."
Source: www.visalaw.com...

From our two definitions we can see that as long as Barack Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, resided in the U.S. for 10 years she qualified as a natural born citizen. Mrs. Dunham would have been the tender age of 8, ten years prior to her child's birth.

When Ann Dunham moved Barack Obama to Jakarta, Indonesia to live with Lolo Soetoro he would have been six years old(Mrs. Dunham would have been 24). This would mean that Ann also met the requirement that she must be in the US for five years after the age of 14.

sorry there is one little flaw in your theory. you missed the part of the law where she had to live in the U.S. for 5 years after the age of 14 for her to transfer her citizenship to her son when he was born. that means Obama would have to have been born after she turned 19. he was born while she was 18 so I guess that just killed your theory.

you also might want to check the citizenship laws that were in effect when Obama was Born not the nationality laws that are in effect today. since the laws that were in effect when he was born are the laws the courts would have to use to determine his eligibility not the laws made afterwards.

you also forget the fact that his mother became an Indonesian citizen when she moved to Indonesia with Lolo and her son. Which would make your Argument of Jus Sanguinis mean that since she became a citizen of Indonesia then so did he since citizen follows the custodial parent. You also forget the fact that Lolo acknowledged Obama as his son which under Indonesian Law made him a citizen of Indonesia. If he wasn't a citizen of Indonesia he wouldn't have been able to go to school.

I Know those pesky details huh?

bottom line is IF Obama has nothing to hide he would have unsealed his vault copy of his birth certificate. Not post a fraudulent copy of a COLB on websites that were friendly to his campaign and had a vested interest in him getting elected!

Until Obama either produces his vault copy birth certificate or the courts take up the case the questions will remain whether he should be president or not.

and before anyone claims That I'm republican and have sore grapes about the republicans loosing the election. I did not vote for either Obama or McCain i voted for a 3rd party candidate!

[edit on 3/17/2009 by Mercenary2007]

Obama is NOT a natural born citizen and is not eligible to hold the office of POTUS, there is no dispute about it. it does not matter where he was born or how old his mother was, thats all made irrelevant by the fact that his father was NOT an American citizen. a natural born citizen is born of American citizen parents on American soil. you can have no foreign allegiance if you are to be considered a natural born citizen. Obama obviously has an allegiance to Kenya as witnessed by his activities with then Kenyan presidential candidate Odinga who ran on the same campaign rhetoric of change as did Obama. Odinga lost and his followers rioted until he was made prime minister.

Originally posted by Mercenary2007
NO. A person running for president does not have to prove his eligibility before he is elected president.

But itd be common sense for the well established washingtonian rivals to nevertheless look into the eligibility of that individual for any hope of getting ahead.

the only party on the president/ vice president ticket that has to prove they are eligible is the vice presidential candidate. That way if anyone raises the question about the presidential candidates eligibility after they are elected and the president has been found to be ineligible the Vice president can take the office of president.

Lets see here.... the Bush administration, the FBI, the CIA, the NSA, the republican party, the Hillary campagin, the McCain campaign, the DNC, the Hawaii republican state government and the Hawaiian health officials. Why dont you go ahead an ask them as to why they agree that Obama was born on US soil. The rightwing fringe aint enough to convince anybody there is a real issue, especially if they continue to reference WND.

And ruin any chance Hilary had to get elected? your kidding right? IF the Clinton's breathed a word about the Possibility that Obama wasn't a natural born citizen as popular as he was the backlash against Hilary even if true would have cost the Dems the election.

No thats where you are wrong. This BC conspiracy has been up and running since late 2007, the notion the Hillary campaign found out something and left it and just went through that whole desperate fiasco in the last months is well.... either stupid or playing the fool merc...

And who had a majority in both houses of congress? Most of the Republicans didn't like McCain

And yet they voted him in. Most conservatives and republicans dont like Bush now..... and yet they voted him in twice. The folks on the right cant make up their minds.

so do you honestly think he was going to do anything that could cost him votes. lets face it the republicans knew they had little to no chance of winning the election after 8 years of Bush. the Dems could have nominated a monkey and it would have won against McCain. Also McCain had people questioning his own eligibility to be president. Even though he was born to 2 american citizens abroad on sovereign U.S. territory.

What your doing here is basically saying that both the McCain and Hillary campaigns didnt want to release this at the expense of their own campaigns. That is far from true in that scenario, infact there was a bitter divide and both rival campaigns were desperate. They didnt hold out on anything. The elections where Obama only got a mere 7% more proved how close things were.

That notion of both campaigns finding something and holding out is yet again playing the fool. We all know they would have jumped the gun.... but they didnt... because they didnt find anything.

Makes you wonder why either side didn't question Obama's eligibility If he's not the elites new puppet..

This is the issue, you folks continue to change your story. Its when the notion of all the agencies and groups who agree he is eligible, then they are implicated in a conspiracy. The fact checkers who confirmed his eligibility are now also implicated in some conspiracy. While your at it why dont you implicate around 60 million americans in this "conspiracy" merce

Sorry but that's not proof at all. Obama didn't even have to be in Hawaii for his parents/grandparents to place that announcement.

He presented his short for birth certificate which was sufficient evidence:

Short forms, known sometimes as computer certifications, are not universally available, but are cheaper than photocopies and much more easily accessible. Limited information is taken from the original birth record (the long form) and stored in a database that can be accessed quickly when birth certificates are needed in a short amount of time. Whereas the long form is a copy of the actual birth certificate, a short form is a document that certifies the existence of such certificate, and is usually titled a "Certification of Birth" or "Certificate of Live Birth". The short form typically includes the child's name, date of birth, sex, and place of birth, although some also include the names of the child's parents. When the certification does include the names of the parents, it can be used in lieu of a long form birth certificate in almost all circumstances. source

..and by the way Im yet to see a reference as to whether it the fact of being born over seas and still having it announced in the papers is factual. In addition Obamas birth was announced in two papers in Hawaii, now dont you think the notion of Obamas mother going to kenya, having Obama there, and then coming back and having it announced in the papers well... just unreal? Come on now.

Also there is no date for when that announcement

Clearly because you ignored the date on the top:

texasdarlin.files.wordpress.com...

uld have been days or weeks after he was born for all we know.

Obama was born on August 4th 1961. The newspaper was dated august 13 as seen above. It shows it was about 9 days following his birth and it actually says in the newspaper announcement that he was born on August the 4th. The other article and the officials involved in the articles can confirmed that it is real. The article was actually found by a Hillary supporter.

sorry there is one little flaw in your theory. you missed the part of the law where she had to live in the U.S. for 5 years after the age of 14 for her to transfer her citizenship to her son when he was born. that means Obama would have to have been born after she turned 19. he was born while she was 18 so I guess that just killed your theory.

Only there is no record of Ms Dunham leaving for Kenya anytime. Here family relatives dont confirm any such thing and the notion that mrs Dunham left for Kenya 9 months pregnant and came back to add the childs name to the newspaper is just plain stupid. Now your technicality would be valid.. in another universe where this probably happened.

you also forget the fact that his mother became an Indonesian citizen when she moved to Indonesia with Lolo and her son. Which would make your Argument of Jus Sanguinis mean that since she became a citizen of Indonesia then so did he since citizen follows the custodial parent. You also forget the fact that Lolo acknowledged Obama as his son which under Indonesian Law made him a citizen of Indonesia. If he wasn't a citizen of Indonesia he wouldn't have been able to go to school.

wrong.

The law in question is Law No. 62 of 1958, Law on the Citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia. The relevant Articles are 2, and potentially 4 and 7. Respectively, they say:

(1) A foreign child of less than 5 years age who is adopted by a citizen of the Republic of Indonesia acquires the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia, if such an adoption is declared legal by the Pengadilan Negeri at the residence of the person adopting the child.

Article 2 excludes Obama, because he was 6 years old when he moved to Indonesia. Couldn't be more clear-cut than this.

(1) Aliens born and domiciled in the territory of the Republic of Indonesia whose father or mother, in case they have no legal family relationship with the father, is also born in the territory of the Republic in Indonesia and is a resident of the Republic of Indonesia, may present a petition to the Minister of Justice in order to acquire the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia if they, after having acquired the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia, have no other nationality or at the time that they present a petition they also make a statement as to having released another nationality which they may possibly possess, in accordance with the legal provisions prevailing in the country of their origin or according to the provisions of the Agreement on the settlement of the bi-nationality between the Republic of Indonesia and the country in question.

Article 4, while at first glance doesn't appear to apply to Obama (Obama wasn't an alien born and domiciled in the territory of Indonesia) still specifies that the acquisition of Indonesian citizenship would have to be in accordance to the laws of the country of origin of that person.

Even if this Article would apply to Obama, US law at the time would not permit Obama (a minor) to lose his US citizenship and therefor would not be in accordance with the legal provisions prevailing in the country of [his] origin.

(1) A foreign woman married to a citizen of the Republic of Indonesia, acquires the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia, if and when she makes a statement as to that effect within 1 year after contracting said marriage, except in case when she acquires the citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia she possesses still another nationality, in which case the statement may not be made.

According to Article 7, Obama's mother wouldn't have automatically acquired Indonesian citizenship just by marriage, until she renounced any other nationalities she previously possessed.


As we've been able to see US and Indonesian law contradict and disprove the claims that Obama either lost his US citizenship because of his adoption, or even held Indonesian citizenship.

bottom line is IF Obama has nothing to hide he would have unsealed his vault copy of his birth certificate.

A) His shown his birth certificate. It has been authenticated. He need not show his longer form certification as the fringe will as usual always find some excuse to spit hatred about him and will believe him to be muslim, gay, martian regardless of what he does. The shorter form is by law and under the constitution legal and sufficient evidence. The fringe will not be catered to. They can be hateful and not get their way.

B) Why should he or the rest of the nation care about what a minority of partisan rightwingers want?

Not post a fraudulent copy

You are but a minority who view it as fraudulent. Further more you still have not provided any constitutional laws to indicate his ineligibility in any way. This is a constitutional republic and thus the proof lies on you.

These days many conservatives are saying they aint republican and have nothing to do with party. That doesnt mean you dont readily agree with them and follow the same lines. You can paint an elephan purple and it will still be an elephant merce.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Do you have proof he was born Kenya!?

Do you have legitimate proof he was born in the USA?

I happen to think that he was, but I have no proof.
I also happen to think the birth certificate on DailyKos is fake.
Wish he'd just show the original one and we could put this to rest.

Originally posted by godless
I thought a copy of his birth certificate was on Obama's website. I think this is just a lot of wishful thinking on the part of the anti-Obama crowd.

Daily Kos?? His father's race is listed as 'African'. That's not a race. That's a continent. Race should officially be listed as black or negro or negroid. It's an obvious fraud.

Originally posted by godless
Oh, and re: the mention of John McCain. Johnny was born at a Naval Air Station in the Panama in 1936. .

Children born on US military bases while their parents serve overseas in the military are considered by law to be born on US soil.

Originally posted by PowerSlave
Based on Mccain's birth place, he technically would not be legally allowed to be president.

That's wrong.


Obama could be in a blackmailable position.
Ya'll think about that!

You've got to be kidding me. Another Obama eligibility post has made the front page? Have you guys provided ANY evidence proving that he wasn't born in Hawaii yet? Because this case has been closed since June of 08 when he showed ABSOLUTE PROOF of his Presidential Eligibility.

I'll say it again: It doesn't matter if his birth records satisfied YOU or not. He has already been assigned as the POTUS after providing legal eligibility. The game is long over. We're just wasting bandwith on this topic.

- Strype


P.S. Please don't use the "Please provide proof of his citizenship" garbage, because he already did that. That's why he became the President. It's the law. In other words, please provide proof that he's NOT a citizen or you have no argument.

[edit on 17-3-2009 by Strype]

Legitimate Americans have asked for proof in a judicial environment. That is their choice and labeling them as "fringers" is unduly negative and intentionally separative.

It is their right and now the situation has gone on for so long and no proof has truly been provided then I am now interested. If it is a way out of the back-tracking and lying path Obama has taken us down now then I can only hope.

-----I was neither for nor against Obama when he was instated but he's already lied and done the opposite of what he has promised on public record.
He's done it to the point where it should be considered criminal. How do you assume control of a country, execute a lie by doing the opposite of promised and not be charged ?

where the hell is the moral judicial mechanism?
----- If you invest into my business because I say I am about to sell product A:, but after I get your money I sell product B: and you want your money back because you have a problem with product B. I would think you could sue my ass for lying about which product I was going to sell.
Same should apply to the man who serves under the credo "we are all created equal"

All this change talk has instead become overshadowed by a future oppression via an expanded government presence.. I can almost not believe an American is doing what this man has already done in such a short time... prove to me an AMERICAN is doing this to us. Bring the papers out for real and lets move on.

Questioning the authority of the people in such a request ,or limiting the power for them to achieve satisfaction in this request, is taking the wrong road into a future where freedom is no longer a right and power delivers ultimate consequences.
This is not fringe thinking. this is an awareness of what is possible and with wide eyes staring at the oppressive tracks so blatantly being laid by this man.

I used to be neutral and hopeful regarding Obama, but he has already lied and if such a silly item could get him out of that office.. that would be a jewel from the heavens.

highly unlikely to happen though...

b

reply to post by Southern Guardian

But itd be common sense for the well established washingtonian rivals to nevertheless look into the eligibility of that individual for any hope of getting ahead.

I'll give you that it would be common sense to do that. But you are talking about candidates that are bought and paid for by the elite bankers of the world they do what they are told when they are told.

Lets see here.... the Bush administration, the FBI, the CIA, the NSA, the republican party, the Hillary campagin, the McCain campaign, the DNC, the Hawaii republican state government and the Hawaiian health officials. Why dont you go ahead an ask them as to why they agree that Obama was born on US soil. The rightwing fringe aint enough to convince anybody there is a real issue, especially if they continue to reference WND.

Hmm so your pretty much stating for a fact that you know with 100% certanty that they checked him out? tell me you have proof to back up your claim because if you don't then you know you just posted something you know is false. tell me your not knowingly posting something you know is false or can't back up with proof? Yeah thats what i thought If you had proof that they had checked him out you'd have a source.

No thats where you are wrong. This BC conspiracy has been up and running since late 2007, the notion the Hillary campaign found out something and left it and just went through that whole desperate fiasco in the last months is well.... either stupid or playing the fool merc...

The only fool here is you Southern. when did i ever say her camp found dirt on him. you might want to read what you quote before you make yourself look like you do now. here read it again.

[quote]And ruin any chance Hilary had to get elected? your kidding right? IF the Clinton's breathed a word about the Possibility that Obama wasn't a natural born citizen as popular as he was the backlash against Hilary even if true would have cost the Dems the election.

so again tell me where i said she knew anything.

And yet they voted him in. Most conservatives and republicans dont like Bush now..... and yet they voted him in twice. The folks on the right cant make up their minds.

And why did most republicans vote for McCain? because they either voted a straight party ticket or voted for him because he didn't have that D after his name. Or they believed he was the lesser of 2 evils. or they played the closet racist game in the voting booth. McCain is white Obama is half Black. What exactly does Bush have to do with it? how many Democrats voted for both Bush and McCain?

What your doing here is basically saying that both the McCain and Hillary campaigns didnt want to release this at the expense of their own campaigns. That is far from true in that scenario, infact there was a bitter divide and both rival campaigns were desperate. They didnt hold out on anything. The elections where Obama only got a mere 7% more proved how close things were.

That notion of both campaigns finding something and holding out is yet again playing the fool. We all know they would have jumped the gun.... but they didnt... because they didnt find anything.

Are you really that ummmm how to put this politely.... Nieve? Do you really think Hillary Or McCain would do anything that could have possibly cost them votes? Yes they were desperate for votes, and there was no way they were going to mention he might not be eligible. After all Obama Fooled the majority of people in to voting for him simply because he promised hope and change. he promised to pull the troops out of Irag the day he became president. If they mentioned he might not be eligible and he pulled out a Birth certificate saying he was what do you think would happen to the votes for either McCain or Hillary? You know nothing about politics. McCain and Hillary are career Politicions they know what they can or can't say when looking for votes and they will not do anything that could cost them votes durring an election cycle. When Hillary was up for reelection in the Senate you notcied that before the election was way to the left. as the election got closer she moved to the center. McCain was just the opposite. He leans toward the left and as the elections for his reelections to the senate gets closer he moves more to the right. Why do they do that? to get more votes without loosing votes.

This is the issue, you folks continue to change your story. Its when the notion of all the agencies and groups who agree he is eligible, then they are implicated in a conspiracy. The fact checkers who confirmed his eligibility are now also implicated in some conspiracy. While your at it why dont you implicate around 60 million americans in this "conspiracy" merce

again wheres your proof that his back ground was checked by all these people you claim it was checked. And i have never changed my story. from day one i have said he wasn't eligible and that NO ONE had checked his background and even show proof in the laws were no one is required to check the presidents eligiblity. they are only required to check the eligiblity of the Vice president.

The real issue is the brainwashed blind followers like yourself that try and twist other peoples words around to fit your argument and when its pointed out you try and derail the thread with your meaningless BS!

He presented his short for birth certificate which was sufficient evidence:

Yes he provided a short form version of a birth certificate and that was proven to be a fraud.

In addition Obamas birth was announced in two papers in Hawaii, now dont you think the notion of Obamas mother going to kenya, having Obama there, and then coming back and having it announced in the papers well... just unreal? Come on now.

And your point is? when my daughters were born my ex's mom and dad had there births announced in the local paper in Florida where they live and my daughters were born in Missouri so under your reasoning that means My daughter couldn't possibly have been born in Missouri even though me and there mother was in the delivery room in the hospital here in Missouri when they were born.

Please is that the best you have? It is possible that he wasn't born in Hawaii and his parents made the announcement on his parents behalf!

Obama was born on August 4th 1961. The newspaper was dated august 13 as seen above. It shows it was about 9 days following his birth and it actually says in the newspaper announcement that he was born on August the 4th. The other article and the officials involved in the articles can confirmed that it is real.

Hmm 9 days between his birth and the announcement in the paper. still don't understand where you think that is proof he was born in the U.S.

And if your referring to the Officials confirming that his birth certificate exists, They didn't prove anything. all they said was it existed. they didn't say if it was the orginal, or if it had been forged. or what type of birth certificate they had on file. and they sure as hell didn't say he was actually born in Hawaii or if he was born in a hospital or if he was born at his parents home.


So again Southern, where is your proof that his background had been checked out? where is your proof that he was really born in the U.S.? do you have any proof? have you even asked yourself if its possible that you were duped?

No i guess you haven't just like you don't have any proof to backup your claims that his background has been checkout. I tell you what you find anything that can remotely prove he's a natural born citizen or that anyone in an official capacity verified his eligiblity and I'll start taking you seriously until then you have zero credibilty and haven't done a bit of research on the issue.

Originally posted by Seany
Here comes the opinion of a 35 pointer
Obama is or isn't the President , dont matter, it is just a figure head job anyway
Biden , or whoever will just do as he is told, like Obama

well here's a the opinion of a whopping 7035 pointer!
I agree with the figurehead thing, but people are less likely to buy something from Biden than they would from Obama.

b

Originally posted by Mercenary2007
Hmm so your pretty much stating for a fact that you know with 100% certanty that they checked him out? tell me you have proof to back up your claim because if you don't then you know you just posted something you know is false. tell me your not knowingly posting something you know is false or can't back up with proof? Yeah thats what i thought If you had proof that they had checked him out you'd have a source.

Not to butt in here, but what on earth have you posted that you can back up with 100% certainty? What proof do you have, before accusing somebody else of lying? That's just flat out hypocritical, Mercenary.


- Strype

By the way, a few weeks back I came across a GREAT source of information for this topic. It provided several solid links evidently debunking this case entirely. I'll go and find it and provide the link here, as I think it'll put "some" disclosure to this topic.

(Surfing.... bbs)

- Strype

[edit on 17-3-2009 by Strype]

if obama was white there would be no fuss over where he was born.

as long as he does good job for your country who gives a f@#ck where he is from even if your constitution says the president has to be born in america

Originally posted by Jim Scott
What? This is still an issue? For pete's sake, he was born of an American citizen. That makes him an American citizen. Read the law, instead of this thread and all the other ones like it.

actually it is very possible he is an illegal alien. first of all, being a citizen does not qualify you to be president, you must be a natural born citizen meaning born of two American citizen parents on American soil. Obamas father was a Kenyan citizen making him a British subject, thus giving Barack dual citizenship making him ineligible to claim natural born citizen status.

Obama was adopted or aknowledged in Indonesia where he attended school at a time when only citizens were allowed to attend. when he and his mother returned to the USA he would either have to be naturalized or he returned as an illegal immigrant.

also if you do your research you would find out that Barack traveled to Pakistan in the 80's at a time when US citizens were not allowed so obviously he traveled on a foreign passport, further proving dual citizenship.

i suggest you research the law and where our law came from, English common law that clearly defines the term natural born citizen.

this is as cut and dry as it gets, Obama is a usurper, he is not qualified and has no legal authority to hold the office of POTUS.

the DNC had the obligation of fully vetting their candidate for president and to this day not one person has stepped forward saying Obama was properly vetted and given proof of such a claim. also, Dr. Fukino of Hawaii only said that Hawaii has a BC on record, she did not say anything about what was on it or if it made him eligible.

nothing anyone says however can make him eligible since his father was not an American citizen making it impossible for Barack to be a natural born citizen. spin it how you want but facts are facts.

sooner or later the truth will come out. legislation is in the works right now making it law that any presidential candidate must provide a valid vault version BC to even run for POTUS. if passed this would mean even if Obama is never forced to produce his BC, he will not be able to run for reelection.

also there is now a push for a Constitutional Convention to define the term natural born citizen under American law, this would put an end to any controversy.