NASA STS - 80 Undeniable Proof That They Know More

*Another one to add to the STS mix*

In this video we see quite clearly UFO'S (Unidentified flyng objects) over africa that make an apparent circle and then flash in formation in front of the STS shuttle.

Can this really be another case of ice crystals and space debris. IMO - No



I thought I would post this video as the STS114 video footage seemed to bring quite a few out of the woodwork and its good to get both sides of the coin.

On a side note as we are mentioning Africa for those of you that don't know there was an incident involving UFO'S that took place in Africa this month witnessed by many people including policemen.

Unfortunately this event did not make it in the MSM.






[edit on 16-3-2009 by franspeakfree]

Originally posted by franspeakfree


Unfortunately this event did not make it in the MSM.

[edit on 16-3-2009 by franspeakfree]

Go figure. They will wait to include it in some montage piece where people summoning their spirit contacts from Venus are awaiting instructions on how to join the brotherhood of space.

As in the STS-114 video, these objects continue to DEFY THE LAWS OF PHYSICS by decending towards the Earth, and then holding a stionary position. If these were ice particles, they would continue to fly along with the shuttle. Not only that, but what are the chances of five inanimate objects, drifting randomly, to form an almost perfect semi-circle?

Originally posted by UnconventionalRyan1990
As in the STS-114 video, these objects continue to DEFY THE LAWS OF PHYSICS by decending towards the Earth, and then holding a stionary position. If these were ice particles, they would continue to fly along with the shuttle. Not only that, but what are the chances of five inanimate objects, drifting randomly, to form an almost perfect semi-circle?

Exactly UnconventionalRyan1990, which is why I am posting this video, in the STS 114 debate. Jim and friends, talk about pallax ice crystals and debris. I think this video puts that all to bed and I don't believe there is anyone on this thread that can say that these objects that materialise and create a perfect circle and then flash in formation are space debris.

I say that the STS 80 is undeniable proof of intelligently controlled crafts (other than ours in ours) in and around our solarsystem.

www.abovetopsecret.com...
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Please take time and watch these 3 videos from David Sereda. It clearly shows NASA's obvious cover up. www.youtube.com... www.youtube.com... www.youtube.com...

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That has to be one of the best videos i have seen on youtube..ever...only on video 5...but im loving it.

Originally posted by Phage
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And........Come on Phage I take it by your quick reply post you can't debunk this one so quickly.

Take a look at the threads above and you see that they didn't get much attention. However, now Jim and his followers seem to be doing a good job with the other STS threads this has to be worth a mention.

I really want to get DOF on this one as I would like to see how he puts this in his diagrams, parallax I don't think so.

Is that all you got?

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Thanks for the video link drummerroy39. I have seen them numerous times but I wonder if others have?

Phage, you're going to have to actually TRY to debunk this one buddy!
Now I know it's early, but damn this video is the one that keeps getting me when i'm all alone at night. That is some trippy stuff, I can't see that being anything natural or manmade. There is obvious intelligence here!

Yeah, the debunkers usually tend to stay away from this one lol. "Oh no, it's gonna be hard to try and prove these are ice particles. Maybe if we ignore it, it'll go away by itself." Haha.

What do you think they are, Fran? You have all-but-declared this video cannot be debunked. So, what is your claim?

Originally posted by UnconventionalRyan1990
Yeah, the debunkers usually tend to stay away from this one lol. "Oh no, it's gonna be hard to try and prove these are ice particles. Maybe if we ignore it, it'll go away by itself." Haha.

Going to ask you the same question I've asked Fran.

What do you think they are? Instead of just declaring it impossible to debunk, tell us what you think they are and provide evidence supporting it. So far, none of you have done that.

An inability to invalidate a hypothesis is not the same as proving the hypothesis. Provide evidence that supports your claims.

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All you do SaviorComplex is imply that, just because we dont believe in the whole "ice particle" thing, we think its intelligently controlled E.T. spacecraft. Why the change of heart, all of a sudden?

Originally posted by UnconventionalRyan1990
All you do SaviorComplex is imply that, just because we dont believe in the whole "ice particle" thing, we think its intelligently controlled E.T. spacecraft. Why the change of heart, all of a sudden?

I did not imply anything. I asked a question, a very specific question. Don't play games. I'll ask again. What do you think this video represents.

Has anyone else noticed the little game the believers are playing with these videos? They declare them impossible to debunk but refuse to say what they think these objects are.

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If you scroll up a bit, you will see that I've already put forth evidence as to why these cant be ice particles. But you've probably already made up your mind as to what they are before even watching the video. All I have to say now is that they look like they are being intelligently controlled. So why dont you try and prove me otherwise?

Originally posted by UnconventionalRyan1990
If you scroll up a bit, you will see that I've already put forth evidence as to why these cant be ice particles.

That is not what I asked, now is it?

So, I will try again. What do you think they are.

Originally posted by UnconventionalRyan1990
But you've probably already made up your mind as to what they are before even watching the video.

Now how could you possibly know that?

Originally posted by UnconventionalRyan1990
All I have to say now is that they look like they are being intelligently controlled. So why dont you try and prove me otherwise?

Finally, we are getting somewhere.

But see, that's now how this works. You are the one's making the claim, therefore you carry the burden of proof. Demonstrate your claims. Tell us what you think they are and provide the evidence for it.

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Originally posted by UnconventionalRyan1990
As in the STS-114 video, these objects continue to DEFY THE LAWS OF PHYSICS by decending towards the Earth, and then holding a stionary position. If these were ice particles, they would continue to fly along with the shuttle. Not only that, but what are the chances of five inanimate objects, drifting randomly, to form an almost perfect semi-circle?

Since we only have the video to go on, ^^^ that is my evidence for my beliefs. Now stop talking in circles and actually try and disprove it.

Originally posted by UnconventionalRyan1990
Since we only have the video to go on, ^^^ that is my evidence for my beliefs. Now stop talking in circles and actually try and disprove it.

No one is talking in circles. I am asking a question, one which you have thus-far failed to answer. Third time is a charm: what do you think these are?

Whether or not I can invalidate your hypothesis is meaningless; the inability to invalidate a hypothesis is not the same as proving it. Even with your half-formed hypothesis, you still bear the burden of proof. You claim that these are something but thus far do not tell us what, just that you think it is impossible for certain things to be taking place.

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Why don't you check out the live feed happening right now from the shuttle and ISS?

www.nasa.gov...

Might spot something.