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Originally posted by MrPenny
Originally posted by GoldenFleece
Does anyone really think that "persistent contrails" -- WATER VAPOR from jet exhaust -- could linger for HOURS, then slowly spread out and completely OBLITERATE a clear blue sky?
Yeah....clouds do it all the time. WATER VAPOR...lingering for hours...spreading out and OBLITERATING a clear blue sky.
Originally posted by GoldenFleece
If water vapor from contrails was capable of obliterating clear blue skies (it's not -- particle size is WAY too small), people who live near airports would never see clear skies again.
Originally posted by AmenStop
The OP is wrong. He is correct in explaining what contrails are, but he is ignoring chem trails. I watch jets fly over all the time, some leave trails that go away in a few minutes (those are contrails) then some stay all day and make clouds (those are chem trails). The funny thing is with their chem trails you can see they start just above the city then they go all the way across then they stop. the plains don't land the trails are in different areas. How come they only happen over the populated areas, and when they leave those ares they go away.
This is just another attempt at covering up what is going on. The German Air force admitted that they are spreading filaments to control the weather. Our government is doing the same. But don't let them fool you, they are doing more than just that. Operation Clover Leaf has four parts to it. W heather control is only one.
Originally posted by ChemBreather
I posted this one also on another thread, debuked due to the fact that the planes that showed high levels/abnormal trail lenghts etc. was not identified by the flight explorer, is a dumb argument, you can not seriously expect these planes being labeled 'Chem-Plane rt-122' in the database.
Originally posted by GoldenFleece
Standard comeback that attempts to fool the naive with more propaganda.
Originally posted by ChemBreather
Yes and he is FULLY briefed on EVERY THING hes airline DO ?
Originally posted by ChemBreather
Fat chance my friend !!! And how can you say we should crawl in under an comercial plane? we get arrested for tresspassing and/or terrorsm as fast as Zapp !
Originally posted by ChemBreather
And what is this plane mechanic lying about exactly ?
I began to trace the piping from the pumps. These pipes lead to a network of small pipes that ended in the trailing edges of the wings and horizontal stabilizers. If you look closely at the wings of a large airplane you will see a set of wires, about the size of your finger, extending from the trailing edge of the wing surfaces. These are the static discharge wicks. They are used to dissipate the static electric charge that builds up on a plane in flight. I discovered that the pipes from this mystery system lead to every 1 out of 3 of these static discharge wicks. These wicks had been "hollowed out" to allow whatever flows through these pipes to be discharged through these fake wicks.
Originally posted by defcon5
Airline Mechanic stumbles upon chemical spraying unit.
The other mechanics are happy to let them do it. Because of this you will have only 2 or 3 mechanics that work on these systems at any one airport. No one pays much attention to these guys and no mechanic socializes with another mechanic who only works on the waste systems. In fact I had never thought much about this situation until last month.
BS, cabin service agents maintain the lavatory system. They are normal ramp agents who work for the group that cleans the aircraft interiors between flights, and all cabin service personnel are trained for this job. No one wants to work lav duty on a daily basis, as it’s a dirty, smelly job, so personnel are switched frequently.
The next day I was on the company computer to look up a wiring schematic. While I was there I decided to look up the extra equipment I had found. To my amazement the manuals did not show any of the extra equipment I had seen with my own eyes the day before. I even tied in to the manufacturer files and still found nothing. Now I was really determined to find out what that equipment did.
Ground Lavatory Servicing 101:
Here is the standard Lavatory Panel as shown in a ground service manual. Though its not for an MD-80 specifically, lav panels are standard across the board so that any station, or even a contractor, can service them if need be. Airlines frequently borrow equipment from each other when theirs breaks down. Paymovers, Airstarts, and Towbars are the most frequently exchanged equipment as it can be aircraft specific, but all equipment is standard from airline to airline.
Standard Lavatory Panel:
Standard Lavatory Service Truck:
Truck Tank Stats:
Ford Lavatory Ground Service Truck
3.0 Water/Rinse Tank
3.1 200 gallon (757 liter) capacity
3.2 Stainless steel construction
3.3 Level gauge
3.4 Internal baffle
3.5 16”x12” (406 mmx305 mm) stainless steel manhole
4.0 Waste Tank
4.1 350 gallon (1325 liter) capacity
4.2 Stainless steel construction
4.3 Sight gauge
4.4 Internal baffles
4.5 20 inch (508 mm) stainless steel manhole
4.6 Open dump
Connection to Aircraft
Standard Servicing Locations for an MD-80/DC-9 type aircraft (Lav Service is blue, Potable Water is red):
Degerm Lavatory Disinfectant and Deoderizor.
Mirabowl Q
Our premiere aircraft lav fluid. The only aircraft lavatory degerm, deodorizer, tank, bowl and pump cleaner that controls odors for up to fifteen hours. This product cleans recirculating pumps and filters, as well as flush rings and bowls. Mirabowl descales and removes sludge from holding tanks. As a result, maintenance costs on pump repair and replacement are reduced by up to 95%.
(note: Used in 55 gallon drums: )
55 gallon drums 7930-01-420-3593 MBQL01
Degerm Mixing procedures:
Degerm Chemical Mix
Note: Degerm chemical in quart bottles (liquid form). Mixture is ½ quart of liquid per tank (100gals.) of water.
Finally here is the servicing procedure:
Servicing Procedure
1. Position the “Waste Catch Bucket” under the lavatory service panel. Catch Bucket must be secured when transported and when placed on the ground.
2. Open lavatory service panel.
3. Remove the fill cap (#1) from the fill service port (#2). If fill cap is missing, notify proper personnel.
4. Release the handle (#3) and open the drain protective cap (#4).
5. Connect dump hose unit (#6) of the waste drain valve (#5).
6. Connect fill hose (#7) to fill port (#2).
7. Push the lever (#8) of the waste drain-valve actuator to open its internal flapper valve.
8. Pull and lock the control handle (#10) to open the holding tank-valve and continue tank drainage until the waste flow stops.
9. Release the control handle (#10).
10. Verify that waste has drained out of the aircraft by visually checking thru the drain hose. If uncertain as to the waste completely draining, check the lavatory from topside, for the presence of water by flushing the lavatory or by visually inspecting the tank by lowering the lavatory flapper. If verified that water is still in the tank, DO NOT INITIATE THE SERVICING PROCESS, contact maintenance or station management.
11. Flush the waste tank with four (4) gallons of designated ExpressJet approved de-germ water mix. Refer to chart. Make sure the fluid pressure is between a range of 35 - 50 psi.
12. Pull and lock the drain control handle (#10) to open the holding tank drain valve. Continue until the waste flow stops.
13. Release control handle (#10) after drainage has been completed.
14. Verify that the waste has drained out of the aircraft by visually checking thru the drain hose. If uncertain as to the waste completely draining, check the lavatory from topside, for the presence of water by flushing the lavatory or by visually inspecting the tank by lowering the lavatory flapper. If verified that water is still in the tank, DO NOT INITIATE THE SERVICING PROCESS, contact maintenance or station management.
15. Fill with two (2) gallons of ExpressJet approved degerm. Refer to chart. Make sure that the fluid pressure is between a range of 35 – 50 psi.
16. Disconnect the dump hose unit (#6) and fill hose (#7) from the aircraft. Wipe up all fluid present.
17. Close drain valve protective cap (#4) and the latch handle (#3) of the drain waste valve. Flapper valve will close automatically when cap is closed.
18. Install fill cap (#1) on fill port (#2). Ensure cap is properly sealed and not leaking. If leakage is observed, IMMEDIATELY contact Maintenance or station personnel.
19. Close waste service panel. Panel door will close only if the waste drain valve is properly closed.
20. Close lavatory service panel. Panel door will close only if the waste drain valve is properly closed. Close lavatory service panel.
21. Clean interior and exterior of lavatory service door.
That is the way it has been done from the beginning of the airlines to this day. It is not going to change any because it has to be standard across the world, for all airlines. Needless to say, that mechanic story is an internet hoax, and one of the first Chemtrail hoaxes to appear on the net.
Originally posted by Zaphod58
Persistent contrails have been seen since 1921.
Originally posted by Zaphod58
Originally posted by ChemBreather
I posted this one also on another thread, debuked due to the fact that the planes that showed high levels/abnormal trail lenghts etc. was not identified by the flight explorer, is a dumb argument, you can not seriously expect these planes being labeled 'Chem-Plane rt-122' in the database.
You also can't seriously expect them to list military flights on there either. That's like saying "We have a B-2 flying today. It's going to Afghanistan then back to Whiteman. Here, track it but don't tell anyone."