Why the Chemtrail Conspiracy is Unplausible, and Meteorologically Innacurate

Here's a different angle to consider, none of this "Show me contrails before the 90's" rubbish!

If chemtrails are so prevalent in the skies and have been so for a good 10 years, why is there no definitive air quality data collected?

Even in my area there are daily air quality tests carried out by a network all over the region.

Don't believe me? Here's the link:
secure.dec.wa.gov.au...

The Department of Environmental Protection (DEP) operates an ambient air monitoring network throughout the Perth metropolitan region, along with regional monitoring in Busselton and Bunbury. Various industries also monitor for pollutants in the Kwinana Industrial Area, Swan Valley, Southwest and Kalgoorlie. The data are supplied to the DEP under various licence conditions. The DEP also uses a number of computer modelling techniques to further understand air quality in Perth.

So why don't you chemtrailers find your local testing site and see if there are any anomalies?

This is where you'll say the government is suppressing this information. Big woopty do! No one is stopping you or someone like William Thomas from collecting their own samples.

And don't say oh but there are samples out there, I've seen them on Rense.com. Those samples are absolute rubbish, want to know what real air sample data looks like? Have a look HERE. This data was collected on the 10th March 2009. This data is collected from ongoing construction in Lower Manhattan.

You can find more results HERE


So chemtrailers, why don't YOU get the proof needed to show chemtrails are real?

What is stopping you?

Look I'll even provide a link to a page that tells you what equipment you will need to collect your samples with.

This page is for collecting Barium chloride, probably the most mentioned of all the chemtrail poisons:

www.skcinc.com...

Here's a couple more links that may assist your tests:

Air Sampling Field Instructions

INTRODUCTION TO OPERATOR AIR SAMPLING PROGRAMS



So please, for the love of god, stop posting pointless photos, stop linking to useless chemtrail sites looking for hits.

Do some real investigation or tell your chemtrail website buddies to.

After all you want to expose the truth and save lives don't you?

Originally posted by GoldenFleece

Originally posted by sensfan
reply to post by GoldenFleece

 

Have you not read the entire thread? Several member, including myself posted pictures of contrails going way back...why everyone is ignoring these is beyond me.

Have you not read how many times I've said NOT photos of WW II-era piston-engine aircraft?

You can't find a single color photo or still from a pre-1998 film or TV program?

Why not? There should be many thousands of them.

Defcon already has shown you color contrails pre 1998. Why does it have to be non piston engines? prop engines can produce contrails as well.

reply to post by Chadwickus


Bravo Chad....Bravo. Couldn't have said it better myself.

reply to post by defcon5


Could you take a picture of the screen shot for me and get a part that has lots of contrails in it like this one...



Provided earlier over Louisville Ky....

I mean of all the movies you say those contrails are in I'd like to see one that looks like this one that doesn't happen to be a war movie where one would expect to see contrails in the sky to show that they have air traffic....

Originally posted by Chadwickus
Here's a different angle to consider, none of this "Show me contrails before the 90's" rubbish!

If chemtrails are so prevalent in the skies and have been so for a good 10 years, why is there no definitive air quality data collected?

Even in my area there are daily air quality tests carried out by a network all over the region.

Don't believe me? Here's the link:
secure.dec.wa.gov.au...

The Department of Environmental Protection (DEP) operates an ambient air monitoring network throughout the Perth metropolitan region, along with regional monitoring in Busselton and Bunbury. Various industries also monitor for pollutants in the Kwinana Industrial Area, Swan Valley, Southwest and Kalgoorlie. The data are supplied to the DEP under various licence conditions. The DEP also uses a number of computer modelling techniques to further understand air quality in Perth.

So why don't you chemtrailers find your local testing site and see if there are any anomalies?

This is where you'll say the government is suppressing this information. Big woopty do! No one is stopping you or someone like William Thomas from collecting their own samples.

And don't say oh but there are samples out there, I've seen them on Rense.com. Those samples are absolute rubbish, want to know what real air sample data looks like? Have a look HERE. This data was collected on the 10th March 2009. This data is collected from ongoing construction in Lower Manhattan.

You can find more results HERE


So chemtrailers, why don't YOU get the proof needed to show chemtrails are real?

What is stopping you?

Look I'll even provide a link to a page that tells you what equipment you will need to collect your samples with.

This page is for collecting Barium chloride, probably the most mentioned of all the chemtrail poisons:

www.skcinc.com...

Here's a couple more links that may assist your tests:

Air Sampling Field Instructions

INTRODUCTION TO OPERATOR AIR SAMPLING PROGRAMS



So please, for the love of god, stop posting pointless photos, stop linking to useless chemtrail sites looking for hits.

Do some real investigation or tell your chemtrail website buddies to.

After all you want to expose the truth and save lives don't you?

Well put, and well researched, Chadwickus!

Am still working on getting the red 'tag' removed....but that's another story.

I asked for a 'jury' of my peers....we will see.....

Meantime, again....Chadwickus brings greatness to this thread....



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Originally posted by AllTiedTogether
Could you please present the data that shows that this man is a liar? You have called this journalist a liar and I'd like to see the proof of it....

Find the original article for me then, would you please. I cannot find it anymore, and I know its on ATS somewhere.

Originally posted by AllTiedTogether
I realize you are tired and lazy as you stated but although you seem to espouse your own integrity and honesty, who noone knows because of ATS anonymity, you have called a journalist a liar and have stated that he has been proven as such on occasion.

Nice way to twist what I said; my being tired of this debate, and being too lazy to look stuff up right now, is not the same as me being tired and lazy in general. I am working right now, and I just have too much on my plate to try and do everything right ATM.

Originally posted by AllTiedTogether
I'll have to send this man a note linking to this thread and ask him his views and how he feels about being labeled as a liar.

Oh, please do, and have him bring his original article with him so I can point out all the flaws in it. It was nothing more then a work of fiction, and a poor one at that. The original story went something along the lines of:

Some guy and his son were visiting a control tower, and talking with the ATC guys working the scopes. Somehow it came up about there being unmarked US tankers from Alaska in their airspace flying in patterns. So these radar operators, left their scopes, got up, and walked outside the tower with this guy and his son to go watch them lay down these chemtrails. Meanwhile the rest of the air traffic that these ATC guys were directing, just flew around and managed not to bump into anything.

Now I am sure that I am not the only guy on ATS who recalls this story, so if someone else can find it, please link us to it.

If you want to bring Mr. Whatever-his-name-is over here, I am sure that we have enough people with an education on this topic to teach him how to write a more convincing story then his last work of fiction.

Heck, maybe he is the guy who wrote Diehard 2….


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reply to post by AllTiedTogether


I believe if the engine jet exhaust coolers quickly there will be less time for the water vapor to be absorbed into the atmosphere. Thus very hot temperatures cooling rapidly will be more likely to produce contrails rather than medium temperture engines where the exhaust is not cooled properly. This is just speculation of course. I am not experienced in this contrail formation...

files.abovetopsecret.com...

Of course, for the same amount of fuel burnt (reacted), there will always be the same amount water vapor produced.

[edit on 19/3/2009 by C0bzz]

reply to post by weedwhacker


I did NOT post that entire quote...at least, not on purpose.

Well, it's there, I say 'STET', for now....but I won't do it again....not sure how I did it in the first place, actually....

So be it!

reply to post by C0bzz


I don’t know, it has always worked for me when I try it. I was just using basic windows stuff. Media player, printscreen, and MS Paint. I did not use anything special, and it has worked on other DVD’s before. I had to trim the excess edges of the player off from the shot when I was done, but that was about it. Now I have had computer games do that black screen stuff when I have tried to take screen shots of them in the past.

We are saving lives.... with every post we post that people know is true and they know who to believe.... Most ATS visitors do not have to be scientists to understand basic science. They may not understand the whole theory behind the atomic bomb but they know the outcome is something they never want to see in their lifetimes. Some unfortunately have been savaged by atomic weaponry, while still others who have not witnessed first hand the effects still know and realize that this is not good, normal, right, or called for. This knowing in no way lessens the fact that it happens....

Chemtrails are the same. The government has acknowledged they exist now and in the past. They are doing it now with their own admittance. We have MILLIONS of pictures of 'chemtrails' around the world that some are calling 'contrails' but don't match the way contrails are thought in science. So we then have a website that crops up and defends the new science that has been hailed as contrail science....

I'm not a scientist but I do believe that because your thinking may change on theory it doesn't mean that the data will change to meet your expectations. If this happens you have data manipulation... which leads to corrupt data.... That should not be used for you theory then... Unless your looking for an intended outcome


Rgds

Alltiedtogether, forgive me if you posted your thoughts already, but what do you think they are spraying and for what purpose?

It seems plausible to me that there's simply so much crap in our air and water that contrails just cause the # to condense, and that's why tests of "chemtrails" imply nefarious activity.

Boron and barium, which have been detected in chemtrails

www.youtube.com...

are what make fireworks explode green

www.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca...
chemistry.about.com...

We pump tons of the # into the air every year to celebrate USA death cult #1

Please note my earlier (scroll up) comments about...


One Idea....

and Second Idea.....

These are in the process of being trademarked....but my injury, to my head, seems tobe slowing hte process....Someone wants conrtol......

reply to post by sensfan


They are spraying Barium, aluminum derivatives, nano technology, plasma products, fibre technology, virus, illnesses... All admitted by the governments of the world...

For the purpose of Wx modification, controlling the population, ionospheric studies and control, people tracking using HAARP.... all admitted and documented by the governments and militaries of the world....

Nothing that isn't fully acknowledged by our leaders.... I don't know why anyone would doubt what the military has stated... just because they say what they are doing now is different than what they did a few years ago doesn't it make real. Just because a murder suspect that has all the evidence of wrong doing now changes his plea to not guilty doesn't change the evidence. The evidence is so overwhelming on 'CHEMTAILS' that I'd have to say that the jury looks like they're all related to the accused, and they all call him Paw.

Rgds

Originally posted by GoldenFleece

Originally posted by defcon5
Because look how few sky shots there are in movies…

Say what? There are only a few background sky shots in films? C'mon.

Well… I have looked, have you?
Think about it, they shoot either at line of sight level, which of course get obstacles in the way of the sky, or they shoot downward. That is why they use cranes to shoot so many scenes. You see many shots where you can see up the actors noses? No… Well that is because they don’t shoot low and aim high, they shoot high and aim low or they shoot level. You ever see a ground cam? No, well neither have I, but I have seen crane cams.

Originally posted by GoldenFleece
Yes, I asked for "persistent contrails", (plural) like the photo I posted above.

Nope, you are changing your criteria, because you got busted. If you wanted that from the beginning, you should have asked for that. Really what difference does it make if there are one or fifty in the shot anyway, I showed that they existed in TV and Movies before your “operation cloverleaf” did.

Anyway when I get home in the morning I’ll pull some more old movies and see what I can find.

Originally posted by GoldenFleece
After all, these "persistent contrails" have been around for decades, right? So they should be everywhere, both before and after 1998, when Project Cloverleaf began.

They intentionally try and not catch them when they film, what is hard to understand about that? Often they will suspend shooting because of either an aircraft or a contrail in the shot.

reply to post by incoherent_television


That's a good point but nothing has been detected in "chemtrails". The few (completely unsubstantiated) tests that have been done are so lacking in documentation and controls that there is no way to connect the "results" to "chemtrails".

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reply to post by weedwhacker


Great idea Chad... I think its being done around the world.... Websites have been started to alert the world to what is going on and lawsuits have been files against governments and scientists have come out and spoken against the poisons being sprayed. Numerous biological scientists have died recently in last few years... I wonder why? Maybe they had a conscience and were going to speak.

There are a lot of sites that track "Chemtrails" like you suggest but most are attacked in some way and usually the governments will act against these people because they are the bully. If you'll notice that the governments of all these countries have neglected to file any lawsuit against all these people who claim the governments are doing harm to them... If these be false statements against the government don't you think they would be taken to court for false statements or defamation of the governments character?

They don't go to court because then all the truth would come out to all those involved in the government and military that don't know the whole story. Not everyone would be aware of the outcome of their actions if they are prevented from viewing certain portions of history. When they are knowledgeable of all aspects of the chemtrail story then they will feel the guilt of their association with what is now destroying mankind. Just like when I woke up after retiring from 26yrs of brainwashing.

reply to post by Chadwickus


Chad mate .We dont have the same problems with chem fall out that other countries do because OUR MILITARY HAS MORE HONOUR . So whats relevant to us is not relevant in other countries.

you sure know how to compensate with your avatar though . Got tired of hunky wrestlers did you ?

reply to post by AllTiedTogether


If that's the case, then the powers that be are poisoning themselves too right? They breathe the same air as we do. What you are arguing isn't logical in any way.

reply to post by reconpilot


Shame....but not surprising....still


Shame on you! What is your age, anyway? 19???

Your posts indicate a very juvenile stance....what a deep shame.....

EDIT....does anyone know what 'UTC' means??? Maybe if I put it into the vernacular....'GMT'....ring bells now????

thought so.....

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