Extraterrestrial Biological Entity{EBE}A.K."AQ-J-Rod"{JR}

reply to post by awake_awoke


Just seeing these guys makes me sure they are full of crap, what genuine contactee would want these people to represent them is they truely wanted people to believe!?

One is a self confessed former drug addict and the other two, well...

With that story of timelines changing aswell, so okay they came out with a prediction and had a backup story, fortunately for them they had a backup because at the time they talked asif they knew for a fact what was going to happen.

These people in my opinion are an absolute disgrace, abusing peoples search and only looking to benefit themselves through your donations , please think for a second... If you was the person being contacted, would these be the people you choose to get people to believe you? categoric NO from me.

Originally posted by redhead57
reply to post by colz2000

 

That is a huge page with tons of things on there, could you be a bit more specific about the document so I can find it. red

Sorry Im late at getting back to this, there is a word document, 3rd document up from bottom of page that is interesting, when you click on it it opens a download window, for the doc.
Look for the blog POST TITLES, I have looked at the first one and the 5th one down so far, just has more info on what is talked about here.

Why would aliens have DNA? In my opinion this immediately debunks the entire paper.

On the other hand, the creature in question might be merely be a genetic experiment originating on Earth. Scientists then attempt a hybridization between these mutant cells and normal human cells, or perhaps even across entire organisms. It could have nothing to do with aliens at all.

The second scenario is much more interesting I think. That would entail the existence of a secret governmental organization directly involved in the mutation of human DNA to create entirely new organisms. The hybridization experiments, by combining DNA from both the mutant and control groups, would result in a greater understanding of human DNA and might consequently provide important data for new advances in medicine and pharmacology in particular. The development of new drugs might be intricately connected with these experiments on human genetic mutants.

Edit: After reading through the paper, it appears the term extraterrestrial was mentioned several times. I just don't believe it now. The coincidences between humans and extraterrestrials in terms of biology are just too perfect. Then again, this might raise another question. Are aliens abducting humans and modifying their genetic structure? If so, these "extraterrestrials", examined in this paper, might be the result of experimentation on humans by the aliens themselves... This last scenario would seem to be the most plausible explanation.

[edit on 15-3-2009 by cognoscente]

reply to post by DrumsRfun


Nobody on that thread proved anything regarding Dan. The thread title has a question mark, and for good reason.. because they are just scraping for anything to discredit him. That UFO Watchdog link had nothing to connect Dan directly with the faked photo of the J-Rod. Storm in a teacup.

He's an interesting character, and this is an interesting document. Some people just don't want to believe, and never will. That's what it boils down to.

I read through the paper a bit more. It mentions "hypotrophic perikaryon", which is a reduction in the size of the part of a nerve cell that contains its nucleus. This would result in a loss of critical information required in the formation of proteins created in the control center of the nervous system, to be transported to the terminal ends of the cells themselves. This would inevitably result in a sort of programmed cell death. Warnings at the end of the paper suggest that somehow this could be transferred to humans through lateral gene transfer.

I'm not sure how the organism could have survived in such a condition. It doesn't say if it was pathogenic or actually part of its functioning biology. It must have lived in a very strange environment. The paper also mentions that they have both external and internal cytoplasm. The external part is what is interesting. There would be no muscle tissue, and instead all their organs would float around in some kind of internal fluid in a diffuse arrangement. They would be held together by nothing more than some kind of strong electrostatic force. Maybe evolved in a liquid or gaseous environment? Maybe they themselves were the result of genetic manipulation? Their bodies don't seem too stable, what with a deficient nerve system and highly vulnerable organ system.

[edit on 15-3-2009 by cognoscente]

Sometimes it is just extremely difficult to know whether or not someone is telling the truth though. Especially if the government comes after you. This first video is Stan Freidman talking about how he thinks Bob Lazaar is a fraud.

Google Video Link

But there really are 2 sides to this particular story. There is some proof that Bob Lazaar's identity really is being erased and that he is a physicist that worked on classified projects at Los Alamos National Laboratory. His name was in the phonebook, "four or five" people have come forward that knew him while he worked there, and there is a newspaper article proving he was really there (with a photo of him).

See youtube video clip from "UFO Hunters - Area 51 Revealed". They talk about Bob Lazar starting at about 1:20 ..


This is all really compelling for alot of reaons. But mostly just because everyone wrote this guy off as a fraud. But there is alot of information proving he was really an employee at Los Alamos.. And the government has been caught in a lie about this guy ever working there! I mean the guy is on the front page of the "Los Alamos Monitor" with his jet car. He was even in the phone book? WOW.

My point is that even after everyone has written someone off as a fraud and after all the evidence seems to debunk the truthfulness of their story, sometimes you can be surprised at what surfaces proving everyone wrong.. Everyone is so quick to judge whether or not this project camelot person is a fraud. Even if you come to your personal opinion/conclusion you still have no idea. That's all I'm saying.

-ChriS

[edit on 15-3-2009 by BlasteR]

When i went to link it had me dl the pdf.
When i try to read it it is very blurry and when you zoom in it gets only worse..It gets better if you zoom out but then its too far out to actually read. I would love to raed this right now. Am I missing something? Better way to raed this like normal print we see everywhere else?

After watching those videos I am really impressed by the story. I really would like to believe it; it's very consistent and reconciles all the differences between our current perceptions of aliens. The "greys" are a human lineage existing some 50,000 years in the future, and the "Nordics" in the more recent future.

That would explain the physiological similarities.

I could say I've come to the conclusion that the "extraterrestrials" examined in this paper, with all their physiological similarities, are actually very old in age. This would explain their clearly unstable biological characteristics, such as their delicate nervous and organ system. Perhaps in the future, these new humans, however they have come about (through genetic manipulation, natural selection, etc.-we'll never know why exactly they're different from us- the "Nordics" seem like they could be genetically enhanced humans, while the "greys" are extremely old, highly evolved human beings), are scouring potential past time lines for solutions to their ailments. Perhaps this period of human history is recognized as one where technological achievements have been most significant, and by examining all the possible different time lines within this certain time period (2000-5000 C.E. perhaps) they might find what they are looking for.

The "greys" in this interpretation belong to highly evolved lineage of future humans. They are extremely old in age and delicate, and require medical solutions to their ailments before they go extinct. It would make sense if they were the last remnant of humanity. In that evolved state, reproduction as a biological phenomenon in origin might have been eliminated to spare resources. Instead, their children are born with the help of advanced technology. Perhaps in this time line, the greys have lost functioning capability of reproductive techniques and are now scouring our time lines for resources and information helping them to reestablish a civilization somewhere.

[edit on 15-3-2009 by cognoscente]

Hey guys, I have a friend who is a biologist. I sent him the document and asked him to send me a summary back. I will let you know the results when I get home from work tonight.

So, I had some time on my hands on a boring Sunday afternoon, and being used to staring down daunting technical documents, I thought I would try my hand at translating ProjectCamelot Document Q94-109A into terms a medical layman, such as myself, might understand - so here goes ...

q94 Authority
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/a4b7eab0a9b4.jpg[/atsimg]
Source : ProjectCamelot Document Q94-109A

Someone in this thread already mentioned there's something fishy about the way this looks. I have no idea ...

q94 Order
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/fc79f6983516.jpg[/atsimg]
Source : ProjectCamelot Document Q94-109A

The order seems to direct the scientists to learn why somebody's nerve tissues rejected an attempted graft of similar tissues which were grown in a petri dish, and to break down their findings very precisely ...

q94 Scope
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/b5fa1b034885.jpg[/atsimg]
Source : ProjectCamelot Document Q94-109A

This seems to be saying that some of jRod's nerve plexuses were damaged by physical tearing due to his breathing, and that an attempt to repair said damage was made by grafting in some healthy tissue, and the remainder of document q94 describes what the outcome was and why.

q94 Action
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/06641c3ef3cb.jpg[/atsimg]
Source : ProjectCamelot Document Q94-109A

I have no idea what, "cellular reclassification," means, but the rest of this paragraph basically says that the principal investigator ( PI ) had to perform surgery on jRod to get a sample of his nerve tissue. Because the PI had an alien encounter he subsequently needed to be debriefed.

q94 Propogation
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/0cc4a36f112b.jpg[/atsimg]
Source : ProjectCamelot Document Q94-109A

This paragraph describes in detail how jRod's original nerve tissue was subsequently cultured or grown in petri dishes ...

q94 Preparations
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/f8086db5d0e6.jpg[/atsimg]
Source : ProjectCamelot Document Q94-109A

I am pretty sure this means microscopic slides of all the cultures were prepared for archival purposes according to a specific protocol ...

q94 Results Reports
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/7715a6d5b9c6.jpg[/atsimg]
Source : ProjectCamelot Document Q94-109A

A complete technical work-up of the cultures is contained in these auxiliary documents ...

q94 Conclusions Paragraph 1
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/18370f2f9739.jpg[/atsimg]
Source : ProjectCamelot Document Q94-109A

Here we are told jRod's tissues are different from human tissue, and then it gets into some really flakey ( IMHO ) verbiage about, "authority structure, "handling aspirations of a fresher nature," etc ... the PI then says that the way he interpreted the order was to find out why the nerve graft failed. References to, "back engineering," of jRod's nerve tissue might mean these researchers attempted to find out how his DNA works ... just a guess ... we're not supposed to know about this kind of stuff yet.

This paragraph seems about 110% bogus to me ...

q94 Conclusions Paragraph 2
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/48764590cf12.jpg[/atsimg]
Source : ProjectCamelot Document Q94-109A

This paragraph claims the team fully accomplished their objective, which means they gained an understanding of why jRod rejected the nerve grafts. It also says what they learned made the team very nervous about the possibility of their results being used in an unethical manner to upset the process of, "nautral selection in the human species."

Perhaps a thinly veiled reference to eugenics, perhaps not ...

We're not supposed to be able to do nerve grafts either.

Just ask Christopher Reeves about that one ...

q94 Conclusions Paragraph 3
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/b82cd3981569.jpg[/atsimg]
Source : ProjectCamelot Document Q94-109A

This paragraph says that there is obvious similarity between jRod's nerve tissue and human nerve tissue, but they actually turn out to be very different. The morphologic differences are catalogued in detail.

q94 Conclusions Paragraph 4
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/03a510270841.jpg[/atsimg]
Source : ProjectCamelot Document Q94-109A

More cellular morphology ...

q94 Conclusions Paragraph 5
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/265902fc4a4a.jpg[/atsimg]
Source : ProjectCamelot Document Q94-109A

More morphology and some conjecture about what it all may mean ...

q94 Conclusions Paragraph 6
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/613a68d070ed.jpg[/atsimg]
Source : ProjectCamelot Document Q94-109A

A very technical discussion of some aspects of jRod's neurologic molecular biochemistry ...

Post continued --

q94 Conclusions Paragraph 7
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/10ebfe2dd97e.jpg[/atsimg]
Source : ProjectCamelot Document Q94-109A

Paragraph seven indicates bone marrow was obtained from a human cadaver. The marrow provided a specific kind of human genetic material which the team attempted to combine with jRod's using a specific technique.

Genetic material from human gametes was also used as well.

Both techniques showed some positive effect on repairing jRod's nerve damage ...

The paragraph concludes with an omnious warning that, the utmost caution should be used in these cross-breeding experiments, so that the human gene-pool at large is not contaminated, thereby having possibly "catastrophic" effects ...

[bq94 Signature]
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/c17a67c64631.jpg[/atsimg]
Source : ProjectCamelot Document Q94-109A

Somebody should be able to find something on this gentleman.

Please feel free to link to any of these jpeg's for further discussion in your own posts ...

And please do correct me if any of my interpretations are out in left field ...

reply to post by visible_villain


Do you think these physiological differences might be indicative of the "extraterrestrials" being old in age? Dan Burisch is saying that these "aliens" are in fact humans from a future time line. Why would they want to come back? He talks of treaties and acquiring scientific information from our experts. Perhaps they are pursuing some means of immortal life, and the oldest members of their species are approaching the upper limit of their lives. Could we therefore presume they are attempting to acquire all the information and technology they can get their hands on in order to prevent their approaching deaths?

reply to post by cognoscente


Right ...

There is verbaige in there about jRod being old. I should have mentioned it. It's in one of the conclusion paragraphs - maybe 6 or 7 ?

Good point ...

reply to post by cognoscente

Could we therefore presume they are attempting to acquire all the information and technology they can get their hands on in order to prevent their approaching deaths?

Well, that's quite a question ...

Certainly, the following is true - If time-travel is possible, then it is certainly happening ...

Now, as to the other part or your question ... IMHO, any organism much more anvanced than current human beings must realize that our physical bodies are merely instrumentation anyway, and if what you suggest is true, that they are desperately trying to hold onto their physical existence, then I would think they aren't quite as advanced as everybody makes them out to be ...

Just a thought ...

Very interesting. The methods of classification seem legit. The process described seem part of the pathological examination of a post-mortum. Either "JROD" died (there are rumors), or got very sick and we wanted to know why at the cellular level. On the flip side from a military point of view it looks like we were looking for a componant to introduce to the human genome to inhibit the so called "hybrid program". Poison the well if you will. The names mentioned in the report may or may not be real. But I will try to find out. Take care all.

reply to post by Common Good


When I first read the document, I noticed that it mentioned recombinant DNA techniques.

I noticed dates from the 1960's at the beginning of the document and I was pretty sure that recombinant DNA did not exist at that time. So, I took a look at Wikipedia and found that I was right, recombinant DNA was discovered in 1972-73. Here's a clip,

"The Recombinant DNA technique was engineered by Stanley Norman Cohen in 1973. They published their findings in a 1974 paper entitled "Construction of Biologically Functional Bacterial Plasmids in vitro",[3] which described a technique to isolate and amplify genes or DNA segments and insert them into another cell with precision, creating a transgenic bacterium. Recombinant DNA technology was made possible by the discovery of restriction endonucleases by Werner Arber, Daniel Nathans, and Hamilton Smith, for which they received the 1978 Nobel Prize in Medicine."

When I reread the article however, I saw that the dates from the 1960s were referencing the dates that appropriate organizations and regulations were formed.

The recombinant DNA experiment was conducted in the 1990s and so that part seems to be consistant with history.

I don't know if the document could be authentic, I find it a bit strange that the dates for the regulations would be included in such a document.

Also, I find it hard to believe that an alien entity would have DNA that was compatible with terrestrial life, since they would have a different evolutionary path and therefore radically different DNA.

After digesting, somewhat, the contents of this document, I think it's almost certainly one that has been cooked up to support somebody's agenda.

If cultures were made to repair the tears in jRod's nerves, why was human material introduced into the mix ?

jRod's own pure tissues would have been the most likely to take when grafted into his own body.

Whether or not human/alien interbreeding is being pursued by some terrestrial agency or other is a separate issue.

This document is almost certainly false.

reply to post by visible_villain


That does make a lot of sense. One situation where I could see them wanting to hold onto their bodies is a lack of technological ability to find a substitute for their brain's constant need for sensory feedback. They would of course have to possess some active or vested interest in retaining some kind of biological form. It might not be economically feasible to physically exist in some safe, remote location for long periods of time. If their technology were sufficiently enough advanced, they could simply put themselves into a deep slumber, and receive sensory input from a computer simulation of some sort. Anyway, in a universe of infinitely many worlds, all this conjecture is mostly irrelevant. What's important is what is affecting our time line... where all possible futures consistently overlap with the present we are all currently experiencing.

The "greys" as I have come to understand them through the available literature and other media are increasingly looking like some kind of alien on the fringe of existence. They're constantly abducting people and meddling in human affairs. Living so far into the future, and possessing advanced technological capability (flying saucers) it is rather suspect that they would have any interest in us at all. Then again, this would more likely validate the idea that they are a fictional manifestation of common fears and emotions in humans rather than anything possibly real... that is, if all they were doing were messing with us for no apparent reason at all.

[edit on 15-3-2009 by cognoscente]

J-Rod, Project Camelot, and Dan Burisch???...I'll only say it once and butt out of the whole post, but haven't we gone down this road with JRod tying in with Rich Doty, Project Camelot is tied in with Bill Ryan (Serpo), and Dan Burisch has no record anywhere of being a PhD.

Best of luck in the research...like most of their stories it starts out plausible and "real" but breaks down when follow up is done. To me, a lot of these rumors and so called documents are a real life attempt at Dungeons and Dragons story telling where someone is trying to introduce a new reality or meme that isn't true...why I don't know. It's an ARG (Alternate Reality Game) but with a more nefarious purpose than having a little fun.

Pulling something out of Project Camelot is like trusting an email of "Work From Home and Make Money FAST!!!". Just my opinion...good luck.

reply to post by visible_villain


Thanks to everyone that has shed some technical insight to all of this.
Thanks Villain for takin your time to disect this story.

So I am just wondering, yes, I get what you are saying about the tissue...
Why use human tissue to patch alien tissue? Kind of like putting plastic tape on a cracked engine block? But maybe that in itself was the challenge? Maybe they werent really trying to repair him only, but trying to do something much more sinister for the lack of a better word?