Dracula's Christians

reply to post by Roark


ok let me get this straight; you are requesting that i say "Thanks... but no thanks" to people who act as if they are my best friend, only so they can gain points at church and in heaven for "saving my life"?

Now i have a question for you. Have you ever had a salesman hustle you to buy their product or service? ...and you most likely would say "Thanks... but no thanks"? What if that salesman was pushing something on you that is bad for you and society as a whole... like lets say crystal meth or to join the current "fight for freedom" in the middle east... would you just say, "Thanks... but no thanks?

In this particular case i am additional offended by the notion that some how i need to be "saved"... "fixed"... when in reality they are advocating a mental and spiritual lobotomy. They will be my "best friend" as long as i hand my brain over to their god in all matters that their bible demands. I don't care if these people can't see what they are doing is wrong and have only so called "good" intentions. They are blind, twisted fools who are driven to steer the world toward their self fulfilling prophecy... Armageddon.

These people see themselves as angels... i see them as demons.

...and because i don't have gratitude for their twisted shallow self/god-serving interest in me... i lack understanding/maturity?

I at times encounter people who wish to warn me of the futility of an aspect of my life and how I'm heading down a hellish road toward intolerance, bloodshed and warfare. They even use blood-soaked language and imagery to try and turn me to follow their path of enlightenment and liberation.

I remember in one instance they used blatant mistruths to entice me to join them in their march toward freedom. It might work on some but I'm glad to say I can see what they're really trying to do. You might know one of them he goes by the name "The All Seeing I" So far he's tried to convince me that Christians are like vampires and that they brainwash their children. Unfortunately the facts get in the way as manifest, strangely, by the number who agree with him and then proceed to share their own "testimony" of escaping the vampiric brain-washing of Christianity. It doesn't seem to have brought many of them the happiness they promise though, they often end up distraught after a parental frown and spend the rest of their lives bitterly attacking Christianity.

Oh well, we can but pray for their liberation.

reply to post by Supercertari


?... correct me if i'm wrong but didn't jesus say...

“Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so whoever feeds on me, he also will live because of me. This is the bread that came down from heaven, not like the bread the fathers ate and died. Whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.”

... and note similar verse in bram stoker's dracula...

Van Helsing: She lives beyond the grace of God, a wanderer in the outer darkness. She is "vampyr", "nosferatu". These creatures do not die like the bee after the first sting, but instead grow strong and become immortal once infected by another nosferatu. So, my friends we fight not one beast but legions that go on age after age after age, feeding on the blood of the living.
...
Dracula: The blood is the life... and it shall be mine.
...
Lord Arthur Holmwood: Forgive me, sir. My life is hers - I would give my last drop of blood to save her.

source: www.imdb.com...

...as you can see with this tiny comparison... the symbolism over laps.

...and if you can't see the bloodshed, look no further then our history, which speaks volumes of the christain's thirst for blood.

[edit on 24-4-2009 by The All Seeing I]

...and if you are brave enough to look at the current christian thirst for blood in terms of the end-times... carefully consider the following:



Embracing an Armageddon to the point that you are actively pushing the world toward this suicidal self-full-filling-prophecy is psycho diabolical on a whole new level. CUFI is a prime example of a neo-con tool/WMD.

Interesting to note that todays born-again's state of mind/heart is not any different then back when they were orchestrating witch hunts and crusades. Shouldn't be any surprise... they are governing their minds/hearts with the same text. Different times but script they follow hasn't change... which leads to similar values/behavior/results.

[edit on 24-4-2009 by The All Seeing I]

Remember Jimmy and Tammy Faye Bakers PTL Empire?... well Count Morris Cerullo filled the void in 1990 when he paid $7 million to buy the assets of PTL's cable television network out of bankruptcy. Now with his own brand of emotional on-air pitching which gives a whole new meaning to tidings... and praying/preying

Morris Cerullo appeared on Inspiration’s “camp meeting” with a message to fire up prospective donors.

“Is anybody ready for the greatest financial breakthrough you’ve ever experienced in your life?” he asked.

The elder Cerullo, a Pentecostal minister, at times appeared to speak in tongues. His gravelly voice periodically rising to a shout, he urged members of the audience to fill envelopes with $900 donations.

“When you sow for your financial anointing, the windows of heaven are going to open for you,” he said. “ … In the next nine months, you are going to experience more financial blessings than you’ve ever experienced in your life! 100 fold! Debt cancellation!”

Soon, these words appeared on the screen: “Call now with your $900 offering and receive God’s debt cancellation.”

Here's Morris in one of his home school ministry courses...

Google Video Link

...and Adam and Eve's apple don't fall far from the tree...

"Go to your phone! Sow your Passover offering and then watch God do what he said he would. Call now!" In Evangelical-ese, this is known as "seeding."

Televangelist David Cerullo tells viewers that they can achieve wealth and be cured of terminal illnesses if they send $200 or more to his family-owned Inspiration Network. The charismatic preacher calls this promise "God's debt cancellation."

Here's Dave giving a tour of their new state of the art church, school and media center...


...and they aren't the only ones on the network in the debt-consolidation-through-god business...

David Cerullo isn't the only preacher on the Inspiration Network to promise prosperity in return for cash donations:

Evangelist Mike Murdock: "Tonight is the poorest you'll ever be!" "If you've ever decided to obey the Holy Spirit, go to the phone right now!" "My goal is for 300 people to hear the wisdom that God gives my heart for them to become millionaires for the sake of the Kingdom of God."

Evangelist Larry Huch: "Tomorrow, somebody's gonna drive a Mercedes!" "Tomorrow, somebody is miraculously gonna have their debts cancelled."

source:
www.progressivepuppy.com...


[edit on 28-5-2009 by The All Seeing I]

Originally posted by The All Seeing I
ok let me get this straight; you are requesting that i say "Thanks... but no thanks" to people who act as if they are my best friend, only so they can gain points at church and in heaven for "saving my life"?

Who says they get "points", anywhere, for converting you?

Nobody, except for you.

This is exactly why your premise, and perspective, are flawed.

I was going to post and reply that the Bible says to spread the word. And people who are genuinely believing in the Bible and what it says, should have a healthy concern for everyone's souls.

But after reading replies, apparently a lot of members on here have been involved in some shady churches. I don't know if I got lucky or what, but mine doesn't seem to have the fear mongering (And I'm Baptist even!) aspect to it, or the intent of getting more and more members to fill the coffers.

People are people though I suppose, regardless of what they believe in, they're all human and have good and bad intentions. You would be crazy to assume that just because somebody believes in a certain God that he is suddenly better than others, or any less obnoxious when it comes to topics of concern.

Trying to save your soul isn't so bad, it isn't like they harmed you in any way. It was well intentioned I'm sure on most counts.

At least they didn't have a bomb strapped to their chest, right?

God bless.
Task

Originally posted by The All Seeing I
Interesting to note that todays born-again's state of mind/heart is not any different then back when they were orchestrating witch hunts and crusades. Shouldn't be any surprise... they are governing their minds/hearts with the same text. Different times but script they follow hasn't change... which leads to similar values/behavior/results.

[edit on 24-4-2009 by The All Seeing I]

I believe I fall into the category "todays born-again's" and I can tell you quite honestly that my state of mind is nothing remotely similar to what some were up to doing the witch hunts and crusades.

There are good people, and there are bad people. both come with many religious devotions, picking the bad from any one religion and using that as an excuse for prejudice against the entire group is rather ignorant, don't you think?

I'm not intending to insult you by any means, but come on man... Honestly; witch hunts and crusades involved murder and torture. You mean to tell me that you think that those who found a way to take peoples money (I admit some of the might be in it for the money) while still giving them what they're after really seem as terrible to you as those who murder and torture people because they wont agree with their beliefs?

Your intolerant judgment seems a little more in line with the mind set of the crusaders and witch hunter than the evangelist leeches you're condemning, don't you think?


[edit on 29-5-2009 by Taskism]

I remember this one period of time when these Mormons wouldnt leave my family alone. I would lead them on and pretend I was interested in their teachings just to see what kind of lies they would feed me. Believe me, I know what the author of this thread is talking about when he says he felt violated. These people wouldnt ever stop calling or trying to pay visits to my house, but our these Christians necessarily the cancer thats taking over? Or is it some group whose claiming to have a leader whose stolen sacred teachings from secret groups??

Do you guys know what finally got them to stop coming by my house???? Heh, all I had to do was mention that Ive researched the 'wonderful' Joseph Smith.






It was funny because once I mentioned that over the phone, one of the guys put me on hold and tried to cover the mouthpiece. I heard them utter something to the degree of 'he knows of _______.'

Then they handed the phone to a third guy who said that they couldnt talk about their faithful saviour over the phone that itd be much easier to do it over coffee or lunch. Of course I reluctantly denied their offer and never heard from them again. I still wonder to this day what they wanted to tell me? I had made it very clear that I know where Mr. Smith got all his so-called 'teachings' from.

Originally posted by The All Seeing I
reply to post by Roark

 

ok let me get this straight; you are requesting that i say "Thanks... but no thanks" to people who act as if they are my best friend, only so they can gain points at church and in heaven for "saving my life"?

Now i have a question for you. Have you ever had a salesman hustle you to buy their product or service? ...and you most likely would say "Thanks... but no thanks"? What if that salesman was pushing something on you that is bad for you and society as a whole... like lets say crystal meth or to join the current "fight for freedom" in the middle east... would you just say, "Thanks... but no thanks?

In this particular case i am additional offended by the notion that some how i need to be "saved"... "fixed"... when in reality they are advocating a mental and spiritual lobotomy. They will be my "best friend" as long as i hand my brain over to their god in all matters that their bible demands. I don't care if these people can't see what they are doing is wrong and have only so called "good" intentions. They are blind, twisted fools who are driven to steer the world toward their self fulfilling prophecy... Armageddon.

These people see themselves as angels... i see them as demons.

...and because i don't have gratitude for their twisted shallow self/god-serving interest in me... i lack understanding/maturity?

You say you are offended by their assumption that you need to be "saved" or "fixed", but come on, listen to what you are saying about their beliefs in this post alone.

Even if they WERE coming at you with foul intentions, at least they have the maturity and understanding to come at you in what most would consider a positive (even if it is obnoxious) manner. You don't even pretend to have the understanding that they may be honestly trying to help you. You openly insult them and their beliefs, blindly assuming that they are trying to cause you some sort of spiritual damage.

Thanks but no thanks, is a civilized way of showing you aren't interested. Hostility over peoples spiritual incompatibility, such as yours, has been the cause of a lot of unfortunate situations in history.

Instead of trying to insult everyone else's ideas and beliefs, wouldn't that time and effort be better spent giving a better alternative?

-Task