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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by HunkaHunka
HI HUNKA, HUNKA, BURNING LOVE,
We are all deterministic meat puppets who's only motivation is an internal sense of comfort. Even if we are sacrificing, we do so, because we would feel bad about ourselves otherwise...
Are you spiritual at all?
I do not see how seeing us as meat machines helps us evolve.
The last thing I will say, is that this entire post of mine, was in line with my egoic nature. I, Jimmy, really enjoy discussing these things... so I do... because it makes me feel good :-)
As you can probably tell from my last lengthy post, yes I would refer to myself as spiritual...
Originally posted by HunkaHunka
State 3. Jimmy and John disappear and now I am simply a motive... Many people confuse this state with selflessness, when in fact, it's simply JimmyandJohnlessness to a certain degree. However, now the motive takes on the sense of importance, and this is where many people get sidetracked into a sense of a messiah complex...
Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
Originally posted by HunkaHunka
State 3. Jimmy and John disappear and now I am simply a motive... Many people confuse this state with selflessness, when in fact, it's simply JimmyandJohnlessness to a certain degree. However, now the motive takes on the sense of importance, and this is where many people get sidetracked into a sense of a messiah complex...
Although I agree with you that seeking to annihilate the ego can only arise as a goal OF the ego itself, I think that where you stopped here in your stages may be the reason you come to the conclusion you do.
There is another stage.
4) The realization that your highest "Self" is neither the thinker, nor the motive, but the Observer of thought and motive. And the realization that your own egoic, or personal thoughts and motives are no more important or dear to "YOU" as the observer, than the thoughts and motives of any other being.
You can realize that you are not motive, nor thought, but rather Consciousness itself, without thought or motive. The eternal Observer of "All that Is" without judgment of it, desire for it to be different than it is, without any negative, (or overtly positive) response to it at all. Simply accepting and being aware of whatever is in front on One. Peacefully. Utterly non-resistant to the experience, even if, as a physical actor in the experience, one must struggle. (Fight)
While I agree that "seeking" this (as an act motivated by ego) is unlikely to lead one to it, one can indeed stumble upon it, and there may be some paths that make one more likely to stumble upon it than others.
Seek or don't seek... it's really up to your inclination or "chance" as it were, no way of living is ultimately more valid than any other way.
Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by Illusionsaregrander
That's a great post, illusion, ego is not necessarily the enemy.
Originally posted by HunkaHunka
Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by Illusionsaregrander
That's a great post, illusion, ego is not necessarily the enemy.
And that was really my whole point in the defense of selfishness.
Illusion really helped to round out the whole story though as for the entire process...
Funny, that above sentence makes sense in so many ways.
[edit on 13-3-2009 by HunkaHunka]
ndeed... I thought about going into this as well, and then mentioning Ken Wilber, but I got sidetracked by some other stuff, and wanted to cut to the chase.
4) The realization that your highest "Self" is neither the thinker, nor the motive, but the Observer of thought and motive. And the realization that your own egoic, or personal thoughts and motives are no more important or dear to "YOU" as the observer, than the thoughts and motives of any other being.
Originally posted by ctjctjctj
GOD is acronym for Genius Of Design, our master designer of our universe and everything ever first created.
Religion was invented by (shadow) governments to split up humanity in the name of GOD so each of us elusively fights for our own so-called god, fake religion and false consciousness, and hence will never unite and stand up together against the (shadow) governments and cabals.
Think, GOD does not want her people to fight for her sake.
Wake up, sheeple!
Brain scans showed that participants fell back on higher thought patterns when reacting to religious statements, whether trying to figure out God's thoughts and emotions or thinking about metaphorical meaning behind religious teachings.
And you can gain the same higher thought patterns when reading any old book!