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Originally posted by B.A.C.
Again you have to bring up religion. I'm honoured to be persecuted by you. Nothing else to bring up I guess? No problem.
Originally posted by B.A.C.
The first time? It's been 150 years and 100 tweaks later and it still isn't right
Anyone can write a story to fit facts. That's not science. It's science fiction.
Originally posted by Donny 4 million
I am born again and believe that evolution and creation are one in the same.
This idea I have not heard or seen discussed.
My thought is, if my idea is correct, then there would be no need to fight over the difference.
I have traced the fossil record back to the tiniest found life forms.
They had to be created or create themselves from inorganic's.
Either way, call the first one God, Buddha, The Great Father or make up your own name. All life would descend from the first one and replicate from that intelligence. Becoming more sophisticated exponentially.
A brain or eye is an easy task in 4 billion years from that kind of intelligence.
You can check the fossil record or read the bible. Both are worshiped by a hell of a lot of good people. I would appreciate your thoughts.
I'm going to put on my garlic necklace right now and dance under the light of the moon.
Originally posted by Horza
Originally posted by jfj123
I see the problem now. You simply have no understanding of the scientific method. You have a learning gap in this area which needs to be filled. My suggestion would be some basic college science courses. I'm not trying to be rude, I'm being serious. The fact that you don't understand the basics, I think is causing the whole problem.
I have to agree with this 100% ...
BAC,
Because you have taken this "debate" in direction of proclaiming ignorance, then I am going to take it down to the level that you so obviously feel more comfortable with.
Your argument that evolutionary science does not explain the brain and the eye is wrong.
There is nothing you can post to change this, unless you completely change your mind and agree that evolution is a valid and testable scientific theory that explains and predicts the origins of species, including the evolution of the human brain and eye.
Everything that you have posted contrary to this, has had no basis in fact or logic, let alone science.
Therefore, this debate goes to the side of the negative.
I sincerely hope that your future threads will hold more substance than "I don't have to offer any evidence to try and prove my side of the argument because I am right"
Not only is that a pointless and boring debate to be part of but it goes directly against the motto of this site.
Peace
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[edit on 16/3/09 by Horza]
Originally posted by B.A.C.
reply to post by Astyanax
If you don't care then why post your drabble?
ALL scientists believe in Evolutionary Theory? Come on now, stay focused.
I'm going to put on my garlic necklace right now and dance under the light of the moon
[edit on 17-3-2009 by B.A.C.]
Originally posted by spy66
reply to post by Astyanax
Tell me is a matter random or is it real?
Tell me!!! How do we get anything if it is not created?
Tell me!!! How can we have changes if nothing is created?
Tell me!!! Can you have evolution without a creation first Or do we need evolution to have a creation.
What comes first evolution or creation?
Do we need a equation before anything is created?
Originally posted by spy66
You people are so far of.
B.A.C is not saying that the eye wasn't made through a proses. Everything is made through a proses. Even he knows that.
The question is what proses made the eye originally.
There is no way in hell science can know that. Because they only have the eye to observe. They didn't observe the original creation of the eye.
Originally posted by spy66
reply to post by Astyanax
Ok so you know that matter and energy is real !
Then you go on to say! That matter or energy can just appear out of nowhere and disappear to nowhere.
But you dont know what random is ?
But isn't appearing and disappearing a random event ? Or do you know when thing do appear and disappear ?
Then you say things happen because things bump into each other or by just exchanging energy. Isn't that a random event ?
Isn't evolution a random proses caused by energy and matter in the same time space dimension ?
Because what you just told me dont make sense.
Energy or matter cant just appear or disappear. Because if it does where dose it go to and where dose it come from. Do you have any observations to go along with that event ?
I know it has been observed but that is all we have done. There is no more conclusion to that event.
Originally posted by spy66
Ok so you know that matter and energy is real! Then you go on to say! That matter or energy can just appear out of nowhere and disappear to nowhere.
But you dont know what random is?
But isn't appearing and disappearing a random event?
Or do you know when thing do appear and disappear?
Then you say things happen because things bump into each other or by just exchanging energy. Isn't that a random event?
Isn't evolution a random proses caused by energy and matter in the same time space dimension ?
Because what you just told me dont make sense.
Energy or matter cant just appear or disappear. Because if it does where dose it go to and where dose it come from. Do you have any observations to go along with that event?
There are three stages to reality - , 0 , + and = cause.
With out that equation you dont have jack shiiiit.
Originally posted by jfj123
Originally posted by spy66
reply to post by Astyanax
Ok so you know that matter and energy is real !
Then you go on to say! That matter or energy can just appear out of nowhere and disappear to nowhere.
But you dont know what random is ?
But isn't appearing and disappearing a random event ? Or do you know when thing do appear and disappear ?
Then you say things happen because things bump into each other or by just exchanging energy. Isn't that a random event ?
Isn't evolution a random proses caused by energy and matter in the same time space dimension ?
Because what you just told me dont make sense.
Energy or matter cant just appear or disappear. Because if it does where dose it go to and where dose it come from. Do you have any observations to go along with that event ?
I know it has been observed but that is all we have done. There is no more conclusion to that event.
Just curious where you're going with this? No offense but your points are really hard to follow.
Also to answer one of your questions.
Matter can neither be created nor destroyed only transformed.
Originally posted by spy66
A human eye dont just happen randomly it has to be put together by a proses. Every eye for every kind has to go through a specific proses suited for its kind. And that proses is controlled by a equation.
And every kind has its own equation. Humans have their own equation. Birds have theirs. Monkey's have theirs and so on.
Originally posted by Astyanax
Originally posted by spy66
A human eye dont just happen randomly it has to be put together by a proses. Every eye for every kind has to go through a specific proses suited for its kind. And that proses is controlled by a equation.
No, it can be modelled (theoretically) by an equation.
A mathematical equation isn't a magic spell. You can't intone 'E = mc^2' and bring forth light out of the void.
And every kind has its own equation. Humans have their own equation. Birds have theirs. Monkey's have theirs and so on.
This is just superstition, though rather an appealing one.