Army patrols downton Samson AL after shooting spree

I don't know if this has been posted because i dont wanna look through the past 6 pages, but here is a link to the radio show file with alex jones discussing the army involvement in alabama.

source: rss.nfowars.net...
link to the mp3 file

So let me get this straight.

A crazy guy grabs up a weapon and his prepared hit list and goes on a rampage, killing nearly his ENTIRE family, trying to kill an Alabama state trooper, and managing to kill others on a spree across Alabama.... Alabama authorities request MPs to come out to patrol the streets at night and THAT scares you people more than the psycho did?!?

Wow.

1) Look at your pic there again, OP. Those soldiers aren't in what those of us actually in the military call "full battle rattle." No. They're wearing reflective vests and have their sidearms - that's it. Not IBA, Kevlar, 210 rounds of ammo, grenades, promasks, and kneepads/elbow pads.

2) If your own military scares you more than someone who will go about your community killing people indiscriminately then you really are lost.

3) I don't know about you, but I'd be a bit more relaxed seeing soldiers out there rather than a bunch of keystone cops running around over the place w/ itchy trigger fingers.

Why so much paranoia? It makes me wonder why we bother....

reply to post by TravelerintheDark


Deputized?!? No no no no no.

It's a form of ID, so you know they're MPs.

MPs (active duty) are law enforcement for real.

..... Deputies. lol

[edit on 12-3-2009 by mf_luder]

Originally posted by jj8607
I am a wife of one of the MP's patrolling Samson Al last night. They were asked to come in and help out. All the MP's did was keep the reporters out and people from going down the 3 block crime scene. They asked for help and the MP's provided that help.

Thanks for your post. I fear it will disappear under the blankets and blankets of rubbish, but I've seen this happen before too.

I fear the day I'm home on leave in my uniform and I help an old lady across the street... OMG!!! US ARMY TAKING OVER TEXAS!!!!!!

Originally posted by Ant4AU
reply to post by pluckynoonez

 

Plucky piss of with your Alabama bashing, African Americans were treated like that everywhere.

As far as the troops it was a BS. There was no need in it. I haven't read this entire thread I couldn't got tired of your Alabama bashing could of been the NG could of been they thought more might happen.

I couldn't really figure out what the hell her rants about slavery (don't confuse me not caring about 200 years ago with "trying to cover it up" - I just really really really DON'T CARE... k? Thanks) had to do with any of the thread? Seems like it was better suited for another thread entirely.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Either the military or police had some reason to believe something more could happen or they just figured it was convenient time to get some "urban" drills in.

Either way I'm uneasy.

Local LEO's were tied up with investigation so FBI asked Ft. Rucker to borrow some MP's.

Per the desk Sgt. at Rucker.

We only have a few Staties that cover this district, and these small towns usually only have 1-2 cops per shift for city police, ditto for County Sheriffs.

ABI and FBI is here but they are investigating along with locals.

Also most of the locals were involved in the chase or shootout so they being questioned about events as well, hence unavailable for duty.

It's not martial law, but it ain't exactly cool either.
[edit on 12-3-2009 by hotrodturbo7]

[edit on 12-3-2009 by hotrodturbo7]

reply to post by kdial1


Who do you call when the one intersection in town with a yield/stop combo is overwhelmed by single-car traffic...call in the army, of course!

Wasn't the guy who gunned all those people down dead at that point? So the need for excessive policing was......?

[edit on 12-3-2009 by Caminhando]

Originally posted by mf_luder
2) If your own military scares you more than someone who will go about your community killing people indiscriminately then you really are lost.

I wish I could give you more than one star for that.

A killer runs rampant through the streets in a town that doesn't have a big Police force, and people are more worried because some MP's come in to help out when they're in need. Unbelievable.

Originally posted by mf_luder

Originally posted by jj8607
I am a wife of one of the MP's patrolling Samson Al last night. They were asked to come in and help out. All the MP's did was keep the reporters out and people from going down the 3 block crime scene. They asked for help and the MP's provided that help.

Thanks for your post. I fear it will disappear under the blankets and blankets of rubbish, but I've seen this happen before too.

I fear the day I'm home on leave in my uniform and I help an old lady across the street... OMG!!! US ARMY TAKING OVER TEXAS!!!!!!

Yep. Her post will either be ignored, as is the usual with posts that MAKE SENSE.

I've noticed there's a large population on this board that aren't happy unless they have something to worry about. How can people live that way? Maybe ATS could advertise for Prilosec. I'm sure they're making a mint off the people on here already.

This thread is one of many reasons why ATS is going down the toilet. I am tired of worthless threads about people who get there pantys in a bunch because a couple of soldiers help out the local police in securing a crime scene. people on here act like its a crime. Boo Hoo cry me a river, These individuals dont have a clue in whats really going on in life around them.
Its time to wake up and smell the roses. We should be proud and happy that we have such a wonderful military force that is there for us, these young men and women "volunteered" to serve this wonderful country.

So for all the negative nancys time to move on and log off the computer and head to McDonalds for your next meal and go take a walk or something and experience what is really going on outside your homes, like wonderful nature.
Have a wonderful day!

Originally posted by jj8607
I am a wife of one of the MP's patrolling Samson Al last night. They were asked to come in and help out. All the MP's did was keep the reporters out and people from going down the 3 block crime scene. They asked for help and the MP's provided that help.

The desk sarge at the MP station told me the same thing.

Fort Rucker is right there and FBI asked them to help secure the scene.

This crime scene stretches across two counties, there are not enough LEO's in this AREA to secure that, as well as most of them being involved, so they are not on duty right now.

Usually I am the first to scream shenanigans on the Fed, but this isn't one of those times.

Originally posted by MetatronCubensis
reply to post by pluckynoonez

 

Actually Alex Jones has an army Lt. Colonel from Alabama on the radio right now talking about it ...
it's completely illegal that they were there at all

Bush cleared the way and made it legal after Katrina. Nobody in the government ever seems to have any foresight. This is something that can be abused by a leader who the vast majority worship no matter what he does. Sound familiar to anyone? Time to go get more ammo!

Originally posted by kdial1
reply to post by TravelerintheDark

 

In the Military we have MP's, Master-at Arms...etc. These are equivalant to Police officers. Yes They wear police sashes. I am sure they are not Infantry soldiers. They have a specialty, which is MP. I agree that it is a small town and they were probably just assisting. I just wonder on who's order.

-Kdial1

Just a FYI. I know that MP's often are also required to be part of local Sheriff offices as deputies. They would often have to work shifts - as civilians - for the local Sheriff and often bases will have a 'mutual aid' pact with local law enforcement agencies, that allow them to 'AID' one another. Their is more then likely nothing wrong with what you are seeing. Those are more then likely MP's under the Mutual Aid Pact.

However, this day and age and this being a conspiracy board, your not going to believe their is nothing wrong.

Can you tell the difference between National Guard and Active Duty? Unless you are staring at their name tags, No, you cannot! They have vests on, how do you know they are not National Guardsmen? And often, National Guard will still have US ARMY on their blouses and not Nat Guard or a variation of it.

Looking back over the posts and mine on p4 I think I did over react. If it was all they had to use at the time then they did the right thing. A lot of the deputies, fire and EMT workers were friends of the family's involved. So how would the system in that small town react or respond in the chaos. could they keep there emotions in check to perform in the correct fashion to handle the crisis not saying they couldn't do there job just overwhelmed small towns don't act the same as big city life

Originally posted by mf_luder
So let me get this straight.

A crazy guy grabs up a weapon and his prepared hit list and goes on a rampage, killing nearly his ENTIRE family, trying to kill an Alabama state trooper, and managing to kill others on a spree across Alabama.... Alabama authorities request MPs to come out to patrol the streets at night and THAT scares you people more than the psycho did?!?

Wow.

1) Look at your pic there again, OP. Those soldiers aren't in what those of us actually in the military call "full battle rattle." No. They're wearing reflective vests and have their sidearms - that's it. Not IBA, Kevlar, 210 rounds of ammo, grenades, promasks, and kneepads/elbow pads.

2) If your own military scares you more than someone who will go about your community killing people indiscriminately then you really are lost.

3) I don't know about you, but I'd be a bit more relaxed seeing soldiers out there rather than a bunch of keystone cops running around over the place w/ itchy trigger fingers.

Why so much paranoia? It makes me wonder why we bother....

I was getting ready to say pretty much the same thing. Not everything is a bad thing if it has to do with the military.

eleven died and no one can figure why, this with the priest shooting, and the shooting in germany takes us up to almost 30 people shot and no one knows why, Im thinking they are trying out there mind control crap, to see if it works, and to scare the crap out of the rest of us, if they can get a guy to kill his own family, another guy to shoot a priest in a church on sunday, and a kid to gundown 15 others with no aparent motives, that sure makes me wonder, considering all these shooting happened within days of eachother..

Originally posted by backyard guru
eleven died and no one can figure why, this with the priest shooting, and the shooting in germany takes us up to almost 30 people shot and no one knows why, Im thinking they are trying out there mind control crap, to see if it works, and to scare the crap out of the rest of us, if they can get a guy to kill his own family, another guy to shoot a priest in a church on sunday, and a kid to gundown 15 others with no aparent motives, that sure makes me wonder, considering all these shooting happened within days of eachother..

You don't know why?

Because some psychos out there are getting guns and bullets and shooting people with it.

Don't try and stick up for the sick individuals and claim they are the victims of government expieraments.

Originally posted by mcgilligan02
This thread is one of many reasons why ATS is going down the toilet.

No, the reason that ATS is "going down the toilet" is because of ignorant people like you.

Ignorant: 1 a: destitute of knowledge or education ; also : lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified b: resulting from or showing lack of knowledge or intelligence

I am tired of worthless threads about people who get there pantys in a bunch because a couple of soldiers help out the local police in securing a crime scene. people on here act like its a crime. ...

It *IS* a crime. A federal one at that.

Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both”—18 U.S.C. 1385.

Was it expressly authorized by the Constitution or an Act of Congress? No? Then it was a federal crime.

reply to post by sir_chancealot


Its funny that your ignorance is blind to the truth. Maybe you should of taken that walk instead of calling me ignorant. tsk tsk.

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