tobacco tax obesity tax..what is next sex tax?

Originally posted by theindependentjournal
reply to post by TheAmused

 

If they tax sex all us guys married over 5 years would get a REBATE a the end of the year!

Quite so. Sex is much to rare a commodity to be worth taxing.

Pornography, on the other hand, can be taxed and probably should be.

Chocolate tax! news.bbc.co.uk... hopefully this falls flat on its face,dont eat chocolate much at all myself.But its a pretty ridiculous thing to tax..even though in the Uk we are slowly becoming as fat as americans.

reply to post by Solomons


I live in Ohio, and roll my own smokes using Kentucky's Best tobacco. A one pound bag costs $14.95 before the tax, and nearly $40 after the tax. Around here only the poor smoke cigarettes, so this is, in effect, a tax on the poor. We are already having a lot of home invasions, burglaries, car thefts, and there are many street dealers here that sell drugs to make a living. How can TPTB do this to us without protest? I don't think they can, people are already protesting. If they keep this stuff up, all this taxation without representation, there will be repercussions over it. Didn't we fight a war over this kind of thing once before? I believe it was called the Revolution.

Originally posted by ChrisCrikey
reply to post by TheAmused

 

Thank you, TheAmused. That's great information but what about obestiy>>/heart disease/diabetes/disability/mobilityproblems/blindness/amputation costs?

www.surgeongeneral.gov...

In the year 2000, the total annual cost of obesity in the United States was $117 billion. While extra value meals may save us some change at the counter, they’re costing us billions of dollars in health care and lost productivity. Physical inactivity and super-sized meals are leading to a nation of oversized people. # This year, more than 300,000 Americans will die from illnesses related to overweight and obesity. # Obesity contributes to the number-one cause of death in our nation: heart disease. # Excess weight has also led to an increase in the number of people suffering from Type 2 diabetes. There are at least 17 million Americans with diabetes, and another 16 million have pre-diabetes. Each year, diabetes costs America $132 billion. It can lead to eye diseases, cardiovascular problems, kidney failure, and early death.

So roughly 249billion a year.

reply to post by autowrench


Exactly my point.
Taxation with out representation.
Down to a Tea what we are dealing with tobacco Tax.

Different products same theory.

usa.russiansabroad.com...

Why did the colonists fight so strongly against the tax? The main reason was that the tax had been passed without their agreement.

A crap load of NON smoking politicians made this tax.
Therefor it is bias to tax smoke's this way .
Smoker's had no representation.

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americaisours.ieasysite.com...

Note to consumers: Possessing more than 20 packs (or two cartons) of cigarettes not bearing Tennessee revenue stamps is a violation of Tenn. Code Ann. 67-4-1019. Such products and any vehicle(s) used to transport them are considered contraband and are subject to seizure. Possession of more than 25 cartons is a Class E felony, while possession of more than two but less than 25 cartons is a misdemeanor.

Read Tennessee's law on smoke's...WTF
Felony for having to many cigarette's in you car and your from another state.

OMG Tennessee i Loved yall till that...
You ridge runner's have lost your mind.
Class E felony for over 2 cartoon's of smoke's from Kentucky or other state's.
And they seize your car ...OMG

Felony and they steal your car for 2 cartons of other state's smoke's.

My jaw has officially broke off and hit the floor.

I don't know what to say but OMG ..

[edit on 12-3-2009 by TheAmused]

Originally posted by TheAmused
Over half of America will at some time have a std!!!!!

In 1998 costing Us the tax payer's 8 billion a year in diagnostic.

Half of america is not smoking or dying of cancer from smoking

The only money tax payers are spending on this stuff is for those who don't have health insurance, and your statistics include no information about whether or not these STD people have health insurance. Also, please keep in mind that just because you have an STD doesn't mean you're dying from it.

Originally posted by The Cyfre

Originally posted by TheAmused
Over half of America will at some time have a std!!!!!

In 1998 costing Us the tax payer's 8 billion a year in diagnostic.

Half of america is not smoking or dying of cancer from smoking

The only money tax payers are spending on this stuff is for those who don't have health insurance, and your statistics include no information about whether or not these STD people have health insurance. Also, please keep in mind that just because you have an STD doesn't mean you're dying from it.

cost or death it's the money is my point.
vs what tabacoo user's use
And guess what NO Official u.s GOV document tell's exactly how much money tobacco user's cost Joe taxpayer.

It says cost 92 billion ect...
But have you seen actually records that many didn't have insurance ..and not Leeching of the government.
That's classified info. lol

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Consider this folks! Carbon tax.

Contrary to what Al Gore says, carbon dioxide is not a pollutant. It's the very gas that trees breathe to live. It's the source of their food, namely carbon.

The bastard tries to get the ill-informed mixed up between carbon 'di'-oxide and carbon 'mon'-oxide. Carbon dioxide is what you and I exhale. It's what trees inhale. Carbon monoxide is what your car exhales and yes, it is indeed poisonous. But he tries to spin the story to make us believe carbon DIoxide is poisonous so that they can tax anything involved with it. That essentially means a 'breathing' tax.

For for further consideration... since it is a carbon tax, is this only the beginning of another tax grab that they intend to rape and insanely burden our children and grandchildren with for eternity? God forbid they find out that without carbon, there can be no life on earth because without carbon... there is no such thing as organic life. That's what the word "organic" means, it means "carbon based" life.

Yes, you and I and your children and future grandchildren and trees and frogs and grass (both kinds) and whales and ants and mouses and kelp and corn and wheat and eggs.... you get the picture... are made up with approximately 25% carbon (depending on which method you use to make that measurement).

Where is this carbon tax going to end? I'll tell you when! It's going to end when we end the reign of these insane oligarchs in Washington, burn the Fed to the ground and arrest all it's owners, destroy the Council on Foreign Relations and jail all it's members, hunt down the entire Rothschild clan and whack their peepees real good... well, you get the picture.

My son said to me just today ,as we rode past a cowfield in our neighbourhood, something about $100/cow methane tax due to there gas passing.Next thing y'all know Al Gore and them will have us living with air quality control monitors superglued to our a$$cracks and be charging everybody a Buck-a- fart tax!Oh, by the way the cow pasture is butt-up against some hoghouses .There are two pastures divided by the path to the hog houses.while the cows are grazing in one field the other is being irrigated from the hog lagoon,aka "the piggy potty".Then they swap 'em .So the cows main diet seems to consist of hog waste.Meanwhile these cows and hogs are major part of the human diet. So who's gonna pay the make-me -wanna-puke -but-I-still-want-some bacon & a burger tax?Nobody!Because they won't be able to afford it after their post-orgasmic smoke.1I need a cigarette.Oops...Excuse me

Im sick of these Aholes taxing us to death over stupid Sht. I went to get a pack of smokes today at the 7-eleven here in Vegas...Cigarettes were almost 7 bucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I wanted to throw a fit right there in the store.
Im sick of these stupid ass politicians taxing us for their problems.Just because they dont know how to manage their money, doesnt mean that we the people should be the ones that have to pay. almost 7 bucks!!!!
God I hate these people with a passion. Pretty soon its going to get so bad that we are going to start treating cigarettes like we treat crack/heroin. Gunna have to go to cigarette dealers just to get a fair price on smokes.
Then all they will do from there is claim a "war on cigarettes". Im so freakin pissed off at these stupid politicians. GRRRRRR.

Sex tax= comming to a theatre near you.
Obesity tax= RIDICULOUS!!!!
What has happened to this country? What in the hell are they trying to do to us? I think they are purposely trying to piss us off. They are doing a damn good job of it.
And these people want to be re-elected? HAH!!!!! What a joke.


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reply to post by nixie_nox


The "beauty" of these things is that they're optional, eh? Technically, you could say that virtually anything is optional. Pragmatically, the story is far different. Nicotine is one of the most addictive substances on the planet, second only to heroin, if I'm not mistaken...and caffeine is up there too. The problem is that to the smoker, it's NOT optional. And while I'm not here to argue the merits of whether one SHOULD smoke or not, for many out there smoking is a way of life. Lawmakers, of course, know this, and these taxes are easy money for them. And, as usual, the burden will fall squarely on the lower classes. Thus, if you can *afford* to smoke, it's all fine and dandy, but those damn poor people are going to have to change their ways.

I'm affected both ways. I LIKE to smoke and I enjoy diet soda. I'm skinny as a rail and in excellent health (so I'm not a hedonistic glutton as an earlier poster envisions people). Like you said, these are optional, and I'd probably be better off without them. But to me, OPTIONS=FREEDOM. But financially, cigarettes are literally no longer an option for me. At one point, people in our country were more or less free (and that in itself is arguable), but now we're becoming a country of the more free and less free. So, I guess I should spend less time enriching myself and instead spend more time on making myself rich.
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Just watched tv 10 minute's ago...
Even rolling paper's for tobacco and weed is going to get fed taxed april 1rst.

OCB rolling paper's will cost Us in kentucky 9.99$ for one pack of rolling paper's..

Tobacco will got up average of 1.75 a pack april first
on top of our state tax earlier this month.

This is not even funny..Over taxation is putting this mildly.

[edit on 18-3-2009 by TheAmused]

Basic microeconomics shows us how taxation always leads to a deadweight loss. Sure, taxation is a great source of government revenue, but what's more important is on whom the tax burden falls on, the producers or the consumers.

As in most cases, both parties share the burden of the tax, with each of them contributing to a part of the government revenue. However, we don't live in the textbook version of perfect competitive market. These tobacco/soda companies have huge influence over the governments through various lobbyists/bribes. That's why the tax burden is faced by the consumer.

The problem with any tax is that, this is most likely to happen. The people of the country lose out welfare in expense of the government/producers. Why are people being taxed for every little bit of consumption? If a free market really does work without glitches, it must do so in the case of the US, WITHOUT any fiscal policies. Again, greed and corruption leads to market distortion, and sadly, the welfare loss is almost always faced by the normal man.

They also need to tax alcohol products to fund their schemes. An additional $2 per 12 oz can of beer,$20 for liquor/spirits, and $50 for bottles of wine.

It's only fair to spread the burden around. I think I'll contact my representatives, and send a letter to the Chosen One.