Political Leaders - 9/11 Truth Website Offically Started 3/6/09- 29 Leaders of World Joined So Far!

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Hopefully Dick Cheney and other members of the Bush cabal will be pulled out of the closet to face charges of murder and treason against the people of the United States. This is my hope and I don't speak for anyone else.

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www.guardian.co.uk...
this is the url with regards to what Michael Meacher former British Member of Parliament had to say regarding 9/11 and the Bush administration 'war on terror'......he spoke at length with the Gardian Newspaper..........

apologies u will have to type the url: into google have not managed to work out how to post external link sorry guys.......

wow i didnt think it, i could manage to make the link work cool u learn something new every day

[edit on 7'3/2009 by surrealist1978]
arrrrrrrrrh it didnt work....this is the url www.guardian.co.uk...

[edit on 7'3/2009 by surrealist1978]

Originally posted by _BoneZ_
Haven't researched controlled demolitions much have you? I've been doing this for 3 years. You have it backwards. The squibs are the big, powerful charges that are taking out the main supports of a building while the smaller charges deal with the floors. Get a few years of research under your belt and get back to me, thanks.

I thought that I'd get back to you. Three whole years of googling is impressive but it hasn't done you much good. You might think that they are the big stuff but squibs are smaller charges of a couple pounds each, at best. Check the definition of "squib."
Squibs make sharp cracks on detonation and are often linear shaped or lined cavity charges. The crack comes from the high detonation velocity of a small charge. Controlled demolitions don't use big charges because then the demolitions are not what we call "controlled." Squibs are used to cut while preventing things from flying around, which is dangerous if you happen to be near the thing you want to blow up. They will instantly cut important parts of the structure in a sequence that can be planned so that it falls where it is supposed to fall. It could also be done with cutting torches or hacksaws but they take too long and it is expensive to replace all those people every time a building has to come down.
The high detonation velocities make the available energy come out over a short time [brisance] which is good for cutting and shattering. Miners use different types of explosives that tend to be less brisant and use their energy lifting and breaking more rock into bigger pieces. They are also cheaper. C4 costs the government about $12/pound and miners couldn't afford it anyway. There are more powerful military explosives available but costs are such that 25% more C4 will do the same thing much cheaper. The standard C4 stick is 1.25 pounds and the mini model is about 0.5 pounds; perfect for fishing as a DuPont Lure if you know where the fish are.
I'm sure that since you have lots of google practice you can look up all sorts of things to see what non-nuclear explosions look like and then go and compare that to all those teeny little bangs from a few pounds of C4 or dynamite, at best.
By the way, the dust puffs that lead the towers down were not explosives. They have the wrong time-energy characteristics.

reply to post by questioningall


I did not go digging through all of the pages to see if this was brought to anyone's attention, or not, but the original webstie link in the original post, does not work.

Here it is for anyone who wants to be directed correctly :

Political Leaders for 9/11 Truth Statement

Hope I helped.

Originally posted by _BoneZ_
Haven't researched controlled demolitions much have you? I've been doing this for 3 years. You have it backwards. The squibs are the big, powerful charges that are taking out the main supports of a building while the smaller charges deal with the floors. Get a few years of research under your belt and get back to me, thanks.

What a sad waste of three years. Having been involved first-hand, I can tell you that "squibs" are small charges used for effect rather than destruction.

They range from pyrotechnic "blood packs" for special effects to explosive bolts separating canopies from aircraft.

By no definition or construction are squibs "big, powerful charges" of any kind.

Fact of the trade.

September 11 "truthers" lose credibility when they become righteous about technical matters for which they have no qualification or of which they have no first-hand knowledge. Or, when they demonstrate a complete ignorance of fact.

In the case of controlled collapse implosions, squibs serve as "blasting caps" to trigger a larger mass, or larger bundles, of explosives to compromise specific structural components in a building.

There are no "big, poweful" squibs. That is oxymoronic.

jw

Originally posted by _BoneZ_

Originally posted by skeptic_al
How and When were all these "squibs" placed in all the Buildings.

There are numerous documentaries that explain the possible times the explosives could have been planted. I even have a thread called "Bush Connections" that's the number one thread on the front page with information concerning this question. Do a little research. It won't hurt ya.

Originally posted by skeptic_al
And ALL those people planting the charges, would be thinking ,Nope
can't see anything wrong with blowing up fellow Americans.

If they were part of the military industrial complex as "Operation Northwoods" outlined, then that would be correct.

Originally posted by skeptic_al
And how would you find ALL these people loyal to the cause without
someone ringing the Bell.

How does Area 51 employ hundreds of people without us knowing anything that goes on out there?

Originally posted by skeptic_al
And how did they managed to sequence them in perfect time without
having obvious wires trailing everywhere.

Ever heard of radio controlled?

Originally posted by skeptic_al
Did people just Ignore big boxes straped to columns that morning

Well, since none of the columns were exposed, that wouldn't be a problem.

I have a problem with almost everything there

I have seen the Mocumentaries, the facts are nothing more than
assumptions based on best guess. There's no real evidence for anything,
and No Evidence is proof the government covered it up.

I know about as much as you do on A51, but I'm going to go with
Testing Range, not Aliens. Either way, they did not sign up to kill
Thousands of Americans. In fact none of them would have pledged
Alegance to Kill Americans and 911 would not have existed when they
signed up. So that's still a Problem.

The number of different radio control signals would be staggering to
say the least. Not to mention Battery Life severly limiting the Install
Time, and not to mention reliability and stability over longer time periods.

And if it all really was true, It would be the first time a Government run
Miltary Operation worked 100% straight out of the box without a single
problem. With GWB at the Wheel, a person who can't even put 1 sentance
together without help.

Are you kidding me? Are any "world leaders" actually in there? How is "Senior Staff Member, Congressional Office of Technology Assessment 1978-1990" a world leader? lol

Originally posted by Stormdancer777

Originally posted by franspeakfree
Not much to say except that any movement that exposes the 911 cover up where innocent people died is well worth to be on the front page *Bump*

* AND I>

Yea I don't have much to say, except all this makes me depressed and then angry,

You are accusing and pointing fingers at the wrong people and that is the travisty.

What if it really was , what it was, would that be so hard for people to take?

It would not be hard to take if the facts were there to support it. The facts are plain. So why is it so hard for people to accept the real truth? It's like when someone is all over Bill Clintons or Ronald Reagans nuts. They are all the same, this was an inside job, period. And it is truly Disgusting

an elected judge in a county or a elderman in a podunk district are not WORLD LEADERS!!!! c'mon, the hyperbole is just too much. the only thing these people would lead is a downtown mayday parade.

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Have you forgotten Mike Gravel, Dan Ellsberg and the Pentagon Papers ?
( 7,000 pages of the secret history of US involvement in Vietnam that Ellsberg had taken out of a safe.)

Mr.Gravel is not some retired nobody. He also lead the initiative to end the draft for Vietnam !

The New York commission on 9/11 is something that he is deeply involved in:

"Former Senator Mike Gravel Calls for Independent 9/11 Investigation and Prosecution of President Bush and Vice President Cheney"

www.democracynow.org...



This can be found at : www.mikegravel.us...

Download
The National Initiative package
October 26th, 2008 by admin.

This zip folder contains the proposed legislation of The National Initiative and a paper written by Mike Gravel which was given in Aarau, Switzerland in October 2008.

reply to post by questioningall


The more I read this list funnier it gets, this one of my favs

Barbara Honegger, former White House Policy Analyst and Special Assistant to the Assistant
to President Ronald Reagan (1981 - 1983). (Charter Member of PL911Truth)


She's a Special Assistant to the Assistant to the President.
Assistants need Assistants, who'da guessed. She must be really Important.
I Assisted the Assistant that Assisted the President.

This sounds more like a Joke List.

Originally posted by questioningall
reply to post by atlasastro

 

Maybe so...... BUT the point is.......... the various officials/leaders are standing up......... no matter how big or small they are in power...... this is awesome news! I am thrilled they are "staking" their reputation for wanting TRUTH!

I commend every political leader who has joined so far!

That is exactly right. There are alot of extremely intelligent people who have come forward thus far to speak out for 9/11 truth. Alot of these people might not exactly be "world leaders" or "political leaders" but some of them are.. The rest of these folks aren't exactly pushovers themselves.

patriotsquestion911.com...

160+ Senior Military, Intelligence Service, Law Enforcement, and Government Officials

660+ Engineers and Architects

170+ Pilots and Aviation Professionals

350+ Professors Question 9/11

230+ 9/11 Survivors and Family Members

200+ Artists, Entertainers, and Media Professionals

This is just this one website..

The one case that is made by Air Force General George Nelson stands out in my mind.. WOW !!
www.physics911.net...

The government alleges that four wide-body airliners crashed on the morning of September 11 2001, resulting in the deaths of more than 3,000 human beings, yet not one piece of hard aircraft evidence has been produced in an attempt to positively identify any of the four aircraft. On the contrary, it seems only that all potential evidence was deliberately kept hidden from public view. The hard evidence would have included hundreds of critical time-change aircraft items, plus security videotapes that were confiscated by the FBI immediately following each tragic episode.

With all the evidence readily available at the Pentagon crash site, any unbiased rational investigator could only conclude that a Boeing 757 did not fly into the Pentagon as alleged. Similarly, with all the evidence available at the Pennsylvania crash site, it was most doubtful that a passenger airliner caused the obvious hole in the ground and certainly not the Boeing 757 as alleged. Regarding the planes that allegedly flew into the WTC towers, it is only just possible that heavy aircraft were involved in each incident, but no evidence has been produced that would add credence to the government’s theoretical version of what actually caused the total destruction of the buildings, let alone proving the identity of the aircraft. That is the problem with the government’s 911 story. It is time to apply the precautionary principle.

As painful and heartbreaking as was the loss of innocent lives and the lingering health problems of thousands more, a most troublesome and nightmarish probability remains that so many Americans appear to be involved in the most heinous conspiracy in our country’s history.

-ChriS

Hopefully this crusade would finally spark the flame for the US government to have a reinvestigation of 9/11.

BUT questions:

Where do you think that would put US and the world just in case the investigation reveals that it was really an inside job and not a cover-up?

Would that ease the economic recession that we are all in now or just make matters worst?

Just thinking out loud. PEACE!

Originally posted by pteridine
By the way, the dust puffs that lead the towers down were not explosives. They have the wrong time-energy characteristics.

Actually, the puffs that lead the towers down are EXACTLY explosives. I'm working on a video that will finally put an end to debunkers saying that they're just puffs of air. Suffice it to say, taking a look at the puffs in slow motion, when the explosive is detonated, you see small pieces of initial debris from the blast, then the large puff of dust/debris follows shortly after.

I also have a video of a controlled demo that wasn't the towers. I took a closer look at the puffs and it's the same exact thing. Small initial debris from the blast, then the larger puff of dust/debris comes out shortly after. The puffs going down the sides of the WTC were exactly explosives being detonated and they correlate exactly to the puffs from controlled demolitions and once I produce my video, no debunker will be able to say otherwise unless they're just in denial.

Originally posted by jdub297
In the case of controlled collapse implosions, squibs serve as "blasting caps" to trigger a larger mass, or larger bundles, of explosives to compromise specific structural components in a building.

So then squibs would be used to detonate the powerful explosives seen in controlled demolitions that cause the large puffs of dust/debris like this:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/82681924bc62.jpg[/atsimg]

If squbs are used to detonate the powerful explosives that cause the dust/debris, then we really weren't too far off were we? If not, then since you claim to have first hand experience in controlled demolitions, please tell us the technical term used for the powerful explosives that cause the puffs of dust/debris.

By they way, I knew what the definition of a squib was and whether or not it is being misused doesn't make everything the 9/11 truth movement says less credible.

Originally posted by _BoneZ_

Originally posted by pteridine
By the way, the dust puffs that lead the towers down were not explosives. They have the wrong time-energy characteristics.

Actually, the puffs that lead the towers down are EXACTLY explosives. I'm working on a video that will finally put an end to debunkers saying that they're just puffs of air. Suffice it to say, taking a look at the puffs in slow motion, when the explosive is detonated, you see small pieces of initial debris from the blast, then the large puff of dust/debris follows shortly after.

I also have a video of a controlled demo that wasn't the towers. I took a closer look at the puffs and it's the same exact thing. Small initial debris from the blast, then the larger puff of dust/debris comes out shortly after. The puffs going down the sides of the WTC were exactly explosives being detonated and they correlate exactly to the puffs from controlled demolitions and once I produce my video, no debunker will be able to say otherwise unless they're just in denial.

By they way, I knew what the definition of a squib was and whether or not it is being misused doesn't make everything the 9/11 truth movement says less credible.

The term "squib" seems to be defined by the controlled demolition industry as any small cutting or broaching charge to differentiate them from main demoliton charges.
I know you appreciate my assistance with your education about explosives and I will continue to help you in that area. I stand by my earlier statement regarding the puffs and await your rigorous proof so that I will no longer be in denial.

reply to post by BlasteR


Blaster,
You said "The one case that is made by Air Force General George Nelson stands out in my mind.. WOW !!"

George Nelson was a Colonel, not a General. He is fixated on serialized replacement parts on the four aircraft involved and the lack of information regarding those parts made available by the investigative agencies of the Federal Govenment. His opinions on what hit where and holes not being big enough have no credence because he was a maintenance officer and not a structural engineer. He knows about USAF rules for replacement parts and investigating failures. None of the aircraft failed; they all worked just fine. He does not know about how big holes in buildings should be just because he happens to understand landing gear serial number requirements.
He can't make a "case" for anything. All he can do is to say he has no proof that the planes were those lost on 911 because he hasn't seen the serial numbers. He seems to need public attention.

Originally posted by pteridine
I stand by my earlier statement regarding the puffs and await your rigorous proof so that I will no longer be in denial.

Somehow, even after I show conclusively that the puffs in the towers are explosives being detonated, I still think you and most debunkers will deny it as most of you can't come to terms with the fact that the WTC was brought down with explosives and for that to happen, it would have to have been an inside job. For some, it seems like it wouldn't matter how much evidence is brought forth. People just don't want to believe that elements within their own government may have had a hand in carrying out 9/11.

Originally posted by _BoneZ_

Somehow, even after I show conclusively that the puffs in the towers are explosives being detonated .

Unless those are "Hush-A-Squibs "........

Turn your speakers up




In all the videos of all the collapses... did you happen to hear anything like that?


[edit on 8-3-2009 by CameronFox]

Originally posted by antimatter21

Originally posted by Stormdancer777

Originally posted by franspeakfree
Not much to say except that any movement that exposes the 911 cover up where innocent people died is well worth to be on the front page *Bump*

* AND I>

Yea I don't have much to say, except all this makes me depressed and then angry,

You are accusing and pointing fingers at the wrong people and that is the travisty.

What if it really was , what it was, would that be so hard for people to take?

It would not be hard to take if the facts were there to support it. The facts are plain. So why is it so hard for people to accept the real truth? It's like when someone is all over Bill Clintons or Ronald Reagans nuts. They are all the same, this was an inside job, period. And it is truly Disgusting

Quoted for Truth.

The "official story" has been proved physically impossible.

The slightest bit of research should reveal how ridiculous the official story is to any person capable of critical thinking.

Originally posted by atlasastro

Originally posted by questioningall
AWESOME - World Political Leaders have Begun a Fight for 9/11 TRUTH!
Offical Website Started - 29 Leaders have Joined so Far!!


Site asked for Leaders to Join...... 29 have so far...............

29 Political Leaders have already signed the petition


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Brae Antcliffe BA LLB, Elected Alderman to the Council of The City of Sydney, Australia, early 1980's for 3.5 years

Don't want to be a pain. But this guy only sat on a local council. My local council. Where they make decisions on footpaths, bins, cleaning graffiti and building approvals.

Might be worth checking the others to see if they have an real power that will effect change.

[edit on 7-3-2009 by atlasastro]

Good point, but there are some pretty impressive names on this list. I know with certainty that since the Canadian Connie Fogal is on board, this is legit. True, she never wielded any real power in Canada, but she's been a truther and a real trooper for many years. I have a ton of respect for her and the other names on the list certainly know who she is. Hopefully (and probably) this list will grow virally.