Don't let them tell you that "The Theory of Evolution" is a fact.

Originally posted by John Matrix
You have faith in a very VERY old earth and eons of time required for the evolutionist theory.

The universe is in the area of 13.7 billion years old so why couldn't the earth be only 4 billion years old? Cosmically that is pretty young.

You have faith in neanderthals being your ancestors.

I don't believe that Neanderthals are my ancestors anymore than I believe my brother is my father. Neanderthals evolved along side humans. Do you know nothing about human evolution?

You have faith in non intelligent non life particles magically coming together to turn themselves into a living being.

I believe non-intelligent, non-living organic chemicals can form non-intelligent, quasi-living simple cells (consisting of just lipids). This kind of event has been known about and understood for almost 50 years.

You have faith in evolutionist preachers and teachers and their foolish explanations for what is.

I respect the scientific method for building knowledge - it's done well, it's given us technology! However I'm not one to run and hide in denial when reality doesn't appear to be what I want it to be.

A belief in a supernatural all powerful, eternal, infinite, creator God requires far less faith than evolution does.

To have an informed belief in evolution you need a general understanding of just about all biology, some geology, astronomy, chemistry and physics.

To believe in God you don't need to know anything. I salute your content in your ignorance.

[edit on 10-3-2009 by Welfhard]

reply to post by B.A.C.


That's ok, I don't really give a bowel-motion. Believe what ever you want - I believe, not what I want but what appears to be the case. For instance I don't believe in God just because I want there to be a God (and I do), that's just not good enough.

Originally posted by Welfhard
reply to post by B.A.C.

 

That's ok, I don't really give a bowel-motion. Believe what ever you want - I believe, not what I want but what appears to be the case. For instance I don't believe in God just because I want there to be a God (and I do), that's just not good enough.

That's your prerogative. Great!

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Well with that said I feel I have nothing more to say in your evolution/abiogenesis threads, beyond this it'd be circular arguments.

Originally posted by Welfhard
reply to post by B.A.C.

 

Well with that said I feel I have nothing more to say in your evolution/abiogenesis threads, beyond this it'd be circular arguments.

This thread isn't about evolution.

I believe Evolution is a fact.

Don't let them tell you that "The Theory of Evolution" is a fact - is what this thread is about.

Theories aren't facts. Very simple thread.

Originally posted by JPhish

Originally posted by tamusan
Anyways. Here's a real challenge. Prove creation without referencing the Bible, faith, or hearsay.

i'm up for a challenge, but first . . .

define creation please?


[edit on 3/6/2009 by JPhish]

creation is still happening, when the absence of time prevails, creation will be over.

until ever possible situation has been, creation will continue...

reply to post by Unit541


I kinda agree with what your saying. My only difference in opinion, and I'm sorry to have to reiterate this, is that with the evidence mounting, evolution is a fact. The theory of which is an explanation of this fact with our current and ever growing knowledge of said fact.

That said, there will always be holes in this story to fill and it is possible that future generations will discover something we've missed.

I find it baffling that these threads go on and on in such a perverse manner. the topic kinda damning itself into oblivion... why am i even here

And what'll you do now, my blue-eyed son ?
And what'll you do now my darling young one ?
I'm a-goin' back out 'fore the rain starts a-fallin'
I'll walk to the deepths of the deepest black forest
Where the people are a many and their hands are all empty
Where the pellets of poison are flooding their waters
Where the home in the valley meets the damp dirty prison
Where the executioner's face is always well hidden
Where hunger is ugly, where souls are forgotten
Where black is the color, where none is the number
And I'll tell and think it and speak it and breathe it
And reflect it from the mountain so all souls can see it
Then I'll stand on the ocean until I start sinkin'
But I'll know my songs well before I start singin'
And it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard, and it's a hard
It's a hard rain's a-gonna fall.

Creationists always win because there explanation is more reasonable and does not result in secondary assumptions and changes to their theory.

That has to be the single funniest thing I've seen thus far in this thread. Creationism is "more reasonable" than evolution because it doesn't result in secondary assumptions and changes to thier theory??? So you contend then that the world is 6000 years old? or has that part of our "theory" finally "changed"?.

Creationism doesn't lack change due to lack of necessity, it lacks change due to lack of a willingness to accept as true anything that lies outside the current theory.

How anyone who claims to be educated can deem it "more reasonable" that an invisible, intangible father figure in the sky blinked the entire universe/multiverse into existence on a whim, out of nothingness, than we share a common ancestor hundreds thousands of years ago with modern apes, is absolutely beyond my comprehension.


Speaking of which, I enjoyed the fact that out of everything I posted, clarifying where your explanation of concepts were flawed, the only thing you took the time to respond to was that I could not know whether or not you comprehended the theory.

Nobody wants to admit that theory of evolution is not a fact because it will certainly be used as a weapon by creationists. I have seen this to happen too many times, therefore I state that it is a factual theory instead.

We all know that a lot of people attack others by stating it is not a fact, which in their reasoning leads to evolution not being true.

That is why this thread goes on and on. Not many realize what really happens if it is widely accepted that theory itself is not fact, even if it is so. Just use "factual theory"-expression, it saves us from a lot of trouble.

S&F!

well, Wiki does decent job as getting as close to descriptions to words and such because it is written by multiple people (I'm not a a Wiki expert by any means) thus providing cross referencing to get to a clear explanation. Is it flawless, NO. But, it is great as the closest guideline you can find (for non-experts).

That being said, even thou we can't put all our eggs in one basket (Wiki) but we can pull from that basket to get a great head start.

So quoting Wiki is certainly a resource everyone should look more closely into and thus, by you referencing Wiki, the Darwinist will have to Dis-prove what Wiki is stating about the OP.

Next, after watching the movie Expelled Ben did an absolute greatest documentary on the subject I have seen to date!

For Darwinist and Creationist alike.

Originally posted by aeroslag
I used to be a Christian my entire life, until about a year ago when i woke up and began to QUESTION everything. I now believe that evolution is the process in which life emerges, HOWEVER, I do believe that main stream evolution is missing a MASSIVE piece of the puzzle. This being that life is not just here by chance, there is intelligent design in creation. I believe that energy fields and forces that are not seen help make/shape life. I guess you can say that a higher force (such as god) is responsible for the creation, or it is we ourselves who are "god" and we are just experiencing our individual lives and experiences from an individual perspective to further our spiritual evolution/intelligence. I believe we are all one, as all things are interconnected in our universe like a spiders web.

Look at atoms, atoms are not a solid, though our reality looks and feels solid. Thats because our minds decode solids as solids and liquids as liquids in this reality, based on the frequency that the atoms are vibrating at. We all took grade school science and at least they taught us about atoms and vibrations. it's an easy concept to understand.

I'm deeply sorry that you have allowed your mind to take control over your spirit and let those things that you know to be true to washed away by mere reasoning. Faith is and can not be reasoned out.

As to thing that are not completely explained in scripture, it's because God wants us to trust him. How can a 2 year old be taught the law of gravity or the law of physics ?? Thus, somethings in the bible aren't meant to be explained until we are old enough to understand.

my question to you is,

who gave life to the cell?

spontaneous random combinations of amino acids through natural processes gave birth to the earliest most primal forms of life.

Originally posted by rawsom
Nobody wants to admit that theory of evolution is not a fact because it will certainly be used as a weapon by creationists. I have seen this to happen too many times, therefore I state that it is a factual theory instead.

We all know that a lot of people attack others by stating it is not a fact, which in their reasoning leads to evolution not being true.

That is why this thread goes on and on. Not many realize what really happens if it is widely accepted that theory itself is not fact, even if it is so. Just use "factual theory"-expression, it saves us from a lot of trouble.

How can the truth be used against you? Unless what you say is a lie?

No theory is a fact, it is a theory.

Here's the part I like:

The Theory of Evolution is NOT a fact.

I'll say it until I'm blue in the face, because it's true.

Holy crap this thread is still going on? I'm an evolutionist and I'm with BAC on this one:

Evolution = Fact
Theory of Evolution = THEORY

We most certainly DO NOT know everything about how evolution works.

Originally posted by ExistenceUnknown
Holy crap this thread is still going on? I'm an evolutionist and I'm with BAC on this one:

Evolution = Fact
Theory of Evolution = THEORY

We most certainly DO NOT know everything about how evolution works.

Thanks!!!, that's the only point this whole thread was made for. If others would realize that, we could all quit arguing.

Starred.

Originally posted by B.A.C.

Originally posted by rawsom
We all know that a lot of people attack others by stating it is not a fact, which in their reasoning leads to evolution not being true.

How can the truth be used against you? Unless what you say is a lie?

As you see, easily. Have you not seen this ever happen? I have, propably hundreds of times as I have a background from a charismatic christian movement. I don't know its name in english though so I cannot really get into details about it. People just aren't that smart.

I don't care what you shout, you propably have an agenda of some sort anyway. What other reason you have fighting this useless war.

Originally posted by rawsom

Originally posted by B.A.C.

Originally posted by rawsom
We all know that a lot of people attack others by stating it is not a fact, which in their reasoning leads to evolution not being true.

How can the truth be used against you? Unless what you say is a lie?

As you see, easily. Have you not seen this ever happen? I have, propably hundreds of times as I have a background from a charismatic christian movement. I don't know its name in english though so I cannot really get into details about it. People just aren't that smart.

I don't care what you shout, you propably have an agenda of some sort anyway. What other reason you have fighting this useless war.

I have no agenda other than to say a Theory is not a fact. Which is the truth.

People that say lies have an agenda.

The Truth is not an agenda. It is the truth. The truth scares some people. So they lie.

I am not sure if anyone is still reading these threads but I am fairly sure I have the answer. I believe the answer lies in your in accurate definition of the word "theory". Science has a different viewpoint on the word theory. In science, the meaning of theory is more rigorous: a theory must be based on observed facts and make testable predictions. In science, a current theory is a theory that has no equally acceptable or more acceptable alternative theory, and has survived attempts at falsification. That is, there have been no observations made which contradict it to this point and, indeed, every observation ever made either supports the current theory or at least does not falsify it by contradicting it completely.

So In conclusion I think this would verify it as fact would it not?

Originally posted by imjustkit
I am not sure if anyone is still reading these threads but I am fairly sure I have the answer. I believe the answer lies in your in accurate definition of the word "theory". Science has a different viewpoint on the word theory. In science, the meaning of theory is more rigorous: a theory must be based on observed facts and make testable predictions. In science, a current theory is a theory that has no equally acceptable or more acceptable alternative theory, and has survived attempts at falsification. That is, there have been no observations made which contradict it to this point and, indeed, every observation ever made either supports the current theory or at least does not falsify it by contradicting it completely.

So In conclusion I think this would verify it as fact would it not?

No a Theory is NEVER fact, that's why theories can change, that's why they are falsifiable. Facts don't change. Facts are verifiable and observable.

Theories explain facts (verifiable observations).

The definition I gave IS a Scientific Definition.

[edit on 11-3-2009 by B.A.C.]

reply to post by Welfhard


So you were around 13.7 billion years ago to witness the Universe coming into existance?

There is plenty of evidence to suggest a much younger earth. I suggest you give it a little of your time to study it.

I listed a some of the evidence and a few web sites with a lot more evidence for a much younger earth.

I'm not going to do the work for those who insist their ancestors were neanderthals. If you don't want to study it, remain in ignorance.