Undebatable PROOF that we are not being told everything about the moon

Can anyone answer the following questions for me?:

1. Is there any way that a telescope can be altered, so it would be possible to view the moon from Earth on our own?

2. If not, is there any other way this would be possible?

3. Why or why not. (applied to both 1 and 2)

These days, I feel that the technology, materials and information is accessible enough out there, that a person can do A LOT of things on their own, if they set their mind to it.

Originally posted by SaviorComplex

Originally posted by Jay-in-AR
Anyone remember the name of that Program? It is downloadable at NASA's website. In fact, there was a thread about it not too long ago. (can't find it in a search)...

But that is obviously part of the cover-up! You can't trust it if it comes from NASA!!!!

And the beat goes on......and on.... and on........

SaviorComplex and Jay-in-AR: I'd star & flag both of you if I could.

You two seem to be of the 'few' who can see the circles. Or is that circular.

A conspiracist is always going to win, because the great thing about a conspiratorial argument is it's infinite flexibility.

This post is spinning me in circles now.

Time for bed.

Sorry for this off-topic edit: Jay-in-AR - your comments on the other SECEDE post did indeed succeed ;-) Well said mate

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they're using the clementine images for google moon. wonder why they didn't pick the NATURAL COLOR clementine instead of the BLACK AND WHITE clementine? the natural color version is alot more interesting. you can see it here: just click on it to zoom. there's a panel on the left for moving it around and zooming/unzooming it, gridding it and so on.
/caluyo

As it turns out I was wrong about NASA having a Google Earth type program available.
Wrong celestial body. It was Mars.

Hmmm...



Here's one to chew on... Why do they have Mars mapped sufficiently enough to allow the user to do a fly-by of the entire planet, and not the moon?
The moon is relatively close to Earth in comparison.

Nah, nothing to see here.

I wouldn't be surprised to find out that we have a base up there ourselves. I mean, it only makes sense to put one there.

Originally posted by SumnerKagan
Can anyone answer the following questions for me?:

1. Is there any way that a telescope can be altered, so it would be possible to view the moon from Earth on our own?

You can see the Moon exceptionally well with a half-decent telescope. But if you're talking about seeing artificial objects with one, then, no.

Not a hope in Hades - unless of course we're talking about observatory-grade scopes. How much money have you got on you? ;-)

Originally posted by Jay-in-AR

Here's one to chew on... Why do they have Mars mapped sufficiently enough to allow the user to do a fly-by of the entire planet, and not the moon?
The moon is relatively close to Earth in comparison.

Nah, nothing to see here.

I wouldn't be surprised to find out that we have a base up there ourselves. I mean, it only makes sense to put one there.

Unlike the Moon, Mars doesn't have any Nazi basis on it. But perhaps we should check that with John Lear

edgar mitchell, buzz aldrin and so on dont remember anything about being on the moon, buzz aldrin says this in his autobiography and edgar mitchell went to see a hypnotherapist because of it. Aslo every journey to the moon was reported ufo sightings as if being followed or escorted. Also neil armstrong appears to be the only one that knows what happened up there and yet hes only made 2 public speaches despite being the first man on the moon and both times he looked very shaky and the last one he did seemed to have a kriptic message saying how the vale of mystery needs to be lifted. Very strange things are going on and i dont think we'll ever find out wot really happened.

Infaredman, im curious. You say there's no evidence toward any sort of cover up related to the moon, but what about the small, yet multiple number of top-level clearance NASA officials who left their positions, claiming they had heard not only talk in code that suggested ET presence on the moon, but had heard direct transmissions from astronauts clearly stating "There are spaceships literally watching me from the distant as I walk along the lunar surface." No, I don't have a link, but seeing the size of this forum I'm sure there's already one on here.

Originally posted by watchZEITGEISTnow
This is great proof NASA lie and show crap! These images are blurry as hell, and the black boxes on it are laughable.

So do like I suggested. Go to a public observatory, note the latitude and longitude of a missing section, and wait to observe artificial lights. If you don't see any that more than likely means no one's up there. Or if they are that they're beneath the surface or they don't use modern technology like electric lighting.

The blocky unclear and inadequate moon photos ARE proof of a cover up by the masters of mind manipulation.

Think about this for a moment. If NASA already has artists on hand to digitally edit out structures on the moon why would they exclude any section of the photographic evidence? It would only serve to make people more suspicious. Better to touch it up, right?

... the moon is artificial and inhabited.

Your evidence of this is ... ?

And furthermore, nasacarl, I'm sorry... but you honestly believe that space being full of "biological entities" is more likely than UFOs? Just what are these biological entities surviving off of?

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It looks to me like google just wanted to get this out there before Microsoft and therefore only had a small portion mapped, and not to a very high resolution. Although they state they will have better detailed maps in the future.

Originally posted by thegagefather
And furthermore, nasacarl, I'm sorry... but you honestly believe that space being full of "biological entities" is more likely than UFOs? Just what are these biological entities surviving off of?

Could be a metabolic pathway that converts arsenic and/or selenium (found in interstellar gas) into organic compounds using energy from sunlight. Somewhat similar to photosynthesis in plants.

Well, I never did believe we got the entire moon story from Nasa. But that aside, one explanation may simply be that the satellites mapping the Earth from Earth orbit are very near the surface of the planet as compared to how far they are away from the surface of the moon. It only takes a few minutes really to reach Earth orbit, but to get to the moon takes something like 3 days. So the distance is much greater.

Wait... why did I write all that? When I was in the Army they had satellites that could read your dog tags from space. And that was 25 years ago. Hell... they could map the moon.
I take it all back, lol.

Originally posted by SpaceMonkeys
edgar mitchell, buzz aldrin and so on dont remember anything about being on the moon, buzz aldrin says this in his autobiography and edgar mitchell went to see a hypnotherapist because of it. Aslo every journey to the moon was reported ufo sightings as if being followed or escorted. Also neil armstrong appears to be the only one that knows what happened up there and yet hes only made 2 public speaches despite being the first man on the moon and both times he looked very shaky and the last one he did seemed to have a kriptic message saying how the vale of mystery needs to be lifted. Very strange things are going on and i dont think we'll ever find out wot really happened.

Very interesting. Can you quote the exact text from their autobiographys though? Is it true that Neil only made 2 public speakings since? I'm sure he'd been on TV interviews and went to schools. Also, what's this cryptic message you speak of?

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Isn't that a cartoon of the Moon.
The age of believers from the Spongebob generation calling.
You can't beat the Illuminati. No one can. They tell you what the truth is.

The same script from the moon landing project was given to Google
as the latest CIA mind control initiative with Google.
Google is now pure Illuminati tripe.
Eating the brains of America after hulu makes them mush.

Originally posted by Exopolitico
It makes you wonder where the 1.8 million images taken by Clementine in the 90s are? We were only allowed to see less than 10% of those images.

I never counted them, but they are available here (203 CDs).

And you have to remember that those images are made with several photos, and that is visible in some cases.

Mars was photographed by Mars Global Surveyor for ten years (1996-2006), non-stop.

Since 2004 there is also Mars Express, and since September 2006 there is also Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter.

So, Mars has been photographed non-stop since 1996.

Originally posted by Angus123
Well, I never did believe we got the entire moon story from Nasa. But that aside, one explanation may simply be that the satellites mapping the Earth from Earth orbit are very near the surface of the planet as compared to how far they are away from the surface of the moon. It only takes a few minutes really to reach Earth orbit, but to get to the moon takes something like 3 days. So the distance is much greater.

Given the lesser gravity satellites orbiting the Moon should be able to fly a lot closer to the surface, no?

Bleh, thought this was going somewhere, should probably look into changing that title

Last time I looked on Google street view, every street adjacent to mine was mapped and mine was not, therefore one can assume that I have something to hide. Please do not ask where I live as I cannot disclose that information.

Proof, first definition from the handy dictionary, "evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true, or to produce belief in its truth." Harldy what happens in the OP.

J

Originally posted by king9072

Now I think this is important because it doesn't matter what side of the debate you prefer, the fact that we aren't shown a thing is proof of a conspiracy.

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That is a complete logical fallacy known as 'begging the question'. Or you could just call it circular logic. Either way, it doesn't add up to anything whatsoever. It's nonsense.