What's the relationship between Illuminati & Freemason??

Originally posted by EyeofZero
When the few Knights Templar hadnt been killed by the Church they fled to Scotland. These are the men of the Scottish Rite who believe in the 33 degrees.

Incorrect...or rather this is only a theory...an unfounded myth. There are many other myths.

Most Mason Lodges only follow 3.

Lodges only confer 3-degrees, but the Scottish Rite is not the only thing to Freemasonry. The Master Mason, the 3rd degree, is the highest degree in Freemasonry. The Templar continuation myths are just that...myths.

with their 13 degrees.

What 13 degrees? And what does this have to do with the Scottish Rite? I always love absurd math. Just make up numbers as you go along and call it a theory.

Craft Masonry

1° Entered Apprentice
2° Fellowcraft
3° Master Mason

York Rite

Royal Arch Masons
Mark Master
Virtual Past Master
Most Excellent Master
Supreme Order of the Holy Royal Arch
Council of Royal and Select Masters (Cryptic Rite)
Royal Master
Select Master
Super Excellent Master
Royal Ark Mariner
Preceptory of Knights Templar
Illustrious Order of the Red Cross
Order of Saint Paul
Order of Saint John or Malta
Order of the Knights Templar

Scottish Rite
Lodge of Perfection
4° Secret Master
5° Perfect Master
6° Confidential [Intimate] Secretary
7° Provost and Judge
8° Intendent of the Building
9° Elu, or Elected Knight, of the Nine
10° Illustrious Elect or Elu of the Fifteen
11° Sublime Knight Elect, or Elu, of the Twelve
12° [Grand] Master Architect
13° Knight of the Ninth Arch, or Royal Arch of Solomon
14° Grand Elect, Perfect and Sublime Mason, or Perfect Elu
Chapter of Rose Croix
15° Knight of the Sword [of the East]
16° Prince of Jerusalem
17° Knight of the East and West
18° Knight [Prince] Rose Croix
Council of Kadosh
19° [Grand] Pontiff
20° [Grand] Master of Symbolic Lodges
21° Noachite or Prussian Knight
22° Knight of the Royal Axe
23° Chief of the Tabernacle
24° Prince of the Tabernacle
25° Knight of the Brazen Serpent
26° Prince of Mercy
27° Knight Commander of the Temple
28° Knight of the Sun, or Prince Adept
29° Grand Scottish Knight of St. Andrew
30° Knight Kadosh
Consistory of Sublime Princes
31° Inspector Inquisitor Commander
32° Sublime Prince of the Royal Secret
Supreme Council
33° Sovereign Grand Inspector General

reply to post by EyeofZero

These images are not proof of anything other than the opinions of the artist(s). As to the structure images, they don't always give the most accurate depiction of Freemasonry and it's appendant/concordant bodies.

Here's my rendition: i93.photobucket.com...

I am missing a few I'm sure, but I'm not going to update this picture until I have more free time.

reply to post by EyeofZero

Yes, I'm very familiar with the layout of the York Rite and Scottish Rite, but they are not the only rites out there. These are just the most two prominent ones in the US; there are plenty more than just those two.

You should also note that Super Excellent Master is not conferred in every jurisdiction nor is it a prerequisite to advance into the Knights Templar nor office within the Cryptic Rite. Also note that in America at least the Royal Ark Mariner is attached to the Allied Masonic Degrees. "Order of St. Paul" is preparatory ceremony to the Order of Malta and not considered separate.

The names of the Scottish Rite degrees and under which body they fall varies depending on jurisdiction (in the US there are two: NJ and SJ).

Originally posted by EyeofZero
Freemason: Any man who believes in a higher power may join.

Sort of, but not really. Any man who believes in a Supreme Being, may join. There are plenty of "higher powers" that aren't the "Supreme Being". That means that those who believe in subordinate deities like Satan, or Neptune, or Saturn, or Isis, or any of the others cannot join. They must believe in the supreme deity (God, Allah, Budda, etc).

Originally posted by EyeofZero
...Go back to the murder of Hiram Abiff if you need to understand the concept.

The murder of Hiram Abiff has no basis in historical fact, and therefore isn't researchable really. While Hiram Abiff is mentioned in the bible, he is mentioned only once in passing, and it merely says they he was tradesman - there is no mention that he was a "master" craftsman or foreman with "secrets", and there is no mention of him actually being murdered; that part is merely part of a Masonic allegory.

Originally posted by EyeofZero
33+13= 46.

Interesting. Where did the 13 come from? Creative math at best, and you're jumping to a wild conclusion based on questionable data.

I could also say that if you take the 33 degrees of the Scottish Rite and multiply by 20 and then add 6, you get 666. So what?