U.S. rattled as Mexico drug war bleeds over border

Originally posted by RussS86
Told my wife today. Big wall, concertina wire and landmines. Something needs to be done and the politicians need to wake up.

I think we should use low risk prisoners to build the great wall of America.

I wouldn't worry about 3 wars, We have been involved in many more then that at one time. Back in the early 2000's we were involved with more then 15.

What you guys don't understand, that a lot of these drug cartels are looked amount as local heroes. Like robin hood to the poor, These drug cartels frankly, don't abuse their own people. They look at Americans as cash cows, you really think that drug addiction and all that hype is as bad over here as it is over here. People in Mexico are just trying to escape poverty and better their own lives, which the government isn't helping much ( once again thank you corrupt government). These poor Mexican kids who grow up, look at these drug cartels as a way out of poverty. Majority of the time, these drug cartels fight among themselves and government. They give money back to their community even though it might be dirty blood money. I'm not saying what these guys are doing is right, its of course wrong, but when you live in a country where you don't have alot of options except poverty and starvation, a gangsters lifestyle isn't all that bad. At least in a gangsters lifestyle you won't die starving, but might die by a bullet.

reply to post by axistr


DUDE WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THESE STATICS. I SMELL BULLSH_T you really think that these other country have more violent crime then we do? COPS DON'T EVEN CARRY GUNS IN THE UK. For a country like the US where we have hundreds of murders, rapes, armed robbery, and so so many gun crimes every freaking day. Your telling me the UK and Australia has more violent crime us? Show me the statics, because I smell a crock of bull.

Originally posted by David9176
I just wanted to add this...

THIS IS WHY WE NEED THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS.

We have every right to defend our families.

I hope that it doesn't get much worse for people living down on the border states.

Your right to bear arms is the reason why this is happening! Dont you know this! If firearms were illegal, then Mexico drug cartels wouldnt be able to purchase weapons from the US...wait...wut?

reply to post by Nemox42


What you say might have been true back before the current president of Mexico took over, but it's changed since then. When Felipe Calderon (the new President of Mexico) took over, he vowed to finally get rid of the drug cartels, which up until then, were pretty much a fabric of Mexican life, and tolerated as well as in bed with much of the Mexican government.

Not to mention, the drug cartels were not that nice to the Mexicans, because from what I hear, there was a lot of extortion going on. So Calderon basically declared war against the cartels. And THAT's when things started getting really ugly. The cartels had it good before Calderon took over, and they want it good again. So, a turf war basically broke out between the cartels and the government. The amount of murders in small mexican border towns, along with kidnappings, drive by shootings.....escalated through the roof!

Plus, the mayor of Ciudad Juarez just had to move his family to El Paso this past month, because the cartels killed his men, and is now after him and his family. When the Mexican police are moving to the US to get away from the cartels, you know it's bad!

And from what I hear..... Calderon is not the kind of man to back down. So, my guess, is that there is going to be a war. A big war. And that war is going to spill over here. And then we're going to have another Mexican American war. And this time, we're going even farther south, I have a feeling.



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If firearms were illegal, then Mexico drug cartels wouldnt be able to purchase weapons from the US...wait...wut?

You're right..they'd just get them somewhere else...because MEXICO WOULD STILL GET GUNS. What's your point? They aren't getting their guns from regular citizens btw.

Leave people completely powerless to defend themselves...yeah that sounds like a good plan.

I'm sure throwing rocks at someone shooting an automatic rifle at you would make them stop.

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Agreed. Look at all the other country that have really strict gun laws, look at their statics of violent crimes. It's because we as a society give these criminal the tools to be commit these crimes, and now we want to cry about it? Well too bad, this is the price for our second amendment. Just because YOU AS AN AMERICAN HAVE THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS AND PROTECT YOURSELF, GIVES THE CHANCE FOR CRIMINALS TO BEAR ARMS AND HURT YOU. DUH!

If you really want to see drop in violent crimes in the US, take away all the guns from all civilian people. I PROMISE YOU THE CRIME RATE WILL DROP.

reply to post by David9176


I apologize, I admit I have not fully read the thread, but I read enough that it seems there is an impression that Cali and Phoenix are where this is begining to spill over, and I would like to say that there have been execution style killings all over GA for several years now that are tied to the cartel, beheadings, whole families tied up shot and burned, kidnapping, you name it.

reply to post by David9176


I'm not sure if everyone knows about all the gun loop holes. Especially the gun show loop hole, people use to be able to go to gun shows buy up all the freaking guns they want, and there is no wait time. That loop hole has been around for YEARS. I believe some states will have that loop hole. As long as we have republican and yahoos who love their second amendment. There will never be a solution for this. Once again, I like to say, PEOPLE LOVE TO POINT FINGERS AT OTHER PEOPLE FOR THEIR PROBLEMS, BUT IN REALITY ITS THEIR OWN FAULT.

Originally posted by David9176
reply to post by Fox News

 

If firearms were illegal, then Mexico drug cartels wouldnt be able to purchase weapons from the US...wait...wut?

You're right..they'd just get them somewhere else...because MEXICO WOULD STILL GET GUNS. What's your point? They aren't getting their guns from regular citizens btw.

Leave people completely powerless to defend themselves...yeah that sounds like a good plan.

I'm sure throwing rocks at someone shooting an automatic rifle at you would make them stop.

I was being sarcastic brah... Gun control doesnt work, and hasnt worked.. im pretty sure there is some statistics out there that backs this up...Im just to lazy to look it up.

reply to post by nikiano


How about I put it this way. The "drug war" in Mexico is nothing but Mexico's version of 9/11 and terrorism. Muslims don't have anything against Mexico, so they can't blame them for anything happening in Mexico, yet. They need a problem (Cartels) in order for TPTB to propose their solution (UNA? or NWO?) This will definitely see military involvement from the U.S. because maybe this has been the purpose.

This is all like one giant psyop, like 9/11, in order to "maintain control of the weak, and contain the minds of the free." This is all unnecessary....

reply to post by souls


Yes, I agree with you there. It could be, and probably is, part of something much, much bigger than just Mexican-American relations.



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Originally posted by Nemox42
reply to post by Fox News

 

Agreed. Look at all the other country that have really strict gun laws, look at their statics of violent crimes. It's because we as a society give these criminal the tools to be commit these crimes, and now we want to cry about it? Well too bad, this is the price for our second amendment. Just because YOU AS AN AMERICAN HAVE THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS AND PROTECT YOURSELF, GIVES THE CHANCE FOR CRIMINALS TO BEAR ARMS AND HURT YOU. DUH!

If you really want to see drop in violent crimes in the US, take away all the guns from all civilian people. I PROMISE YOU THE CRIME RATE WILL DROP.

Dude, Im not sure if your serious, or if your being sarcastic...

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If you really want to see drop in violent crimes in the US, take away all the guns from all civilian people. I PROMISE YOU THE CRIME RATE WILL DROP.

A good Education system will make the crime rate drop. Once again, taking rights away from people because others abuse them is not right.

That's BS. I don't know how bad it is for other countries...but I don't see people getting robbed every day by me. I don't see people getting shot in killed everyday. Most of these statistics come from cities...not the rest of the country where the crime rate is much lower.

The poor and uneducated are the most likely to commit crimes...taking guns away will not change that. And odds are, the people who really want a gun will still be able to obtain them...amd we would have a HUGE illegal gun trade as soon as they were illegalized.

Then people who did nothing wrong would be unable to defend themselves against others.

reply to post by Fox News


a little bit of both it seems, as sad as I am to say it. Many things that are wrong with this world, we dug our own graves, now we just gotta lie in it.

This article might interest some of you, for it is related to the thread.

Defence Secretary Robert Gates has said the US wants to increase the military assistance it provides Mexico for its fight against drugs trafficking.

reply to post by David9176


agreed, education is the key out of poverty and ultimately crime. But what i was gearing towards was "violent crimes". Its a bit hard to do a drive by when all you got is a steak knife and a baseball bat. Ultimately, the key is to better the lives of the people and the way to do that is providing great education and opportunity for people. This solves some of the crime stuff that happens in poverty driven communities.

what about everything else? What you don't think people in Beverly hills smoke weed and snore coke? You don't think these Enron guys or these white collar criminals steal millions of dollars from tax payers? AS LONG AS PEOPLE HAVE GREED AND WANT, THERE WILL ALWAYS BE CRIME. PERIOD.

I thought it was illegal to own a gun in mexico.
This should not happen when guns are banned in the hole country.

If the war on drugs was working why not get rid of alcohol too.
It kills more inosent people than all the illegal drugs combined.

reply to post by delta33


dude they tried to get rid of alcohol, don't you remember prohibition? remember how that turned out? It just fuel the fire for crime organization to get the stuff, prohibition ultimately funded the way for organized crime to be richer and more powerful. Don't you remember the stories of how Al Capone and the Chicago outfit made their cash?