Here it comes...British PM to Propose 'Global New Deal' to Rescue World's Economy

Just some clarifications.

1) Government programs like social security and medicare can not be "looted," because there is no wealth there, and there never was. They are transfer payment programs, meaning take a buck from a taxpayer and give it to another constituent. Just like welfare. No savings. No investments. No lock box.

When they talk about these welfare programs "going broke," what they mean is that the programs, as currently established, will not allow enough money to be taken from person A to give to person B at the rate B was promised. The only way to "solve" the problem is to take more from A, to give less to B, or to take the money from someone else.

2) The whole world can not go into debt to increase its spending. For debt to exist, there must be a borrower AND a lender. We (the U.S.) can borrow from the Chinese, but we can not borrow from Mars (at least not yet, though I am sure someone is working on it). If someone is telling you that we will stimulate the economy worldwide by increasing spending across the board, then they are either planning to a) inflate the currencies everywhere in an attempt to stimulate spending by tricking people into thinking the extra units of money in their pockets are worth something, or b) forcing people to produce despite not having the economic incentive to do so, as in, command economy/Soviet-style tyranny.

3) Money, debt and the financial system are tools we use to keep track of who has created value and thus has a store of wealth to spend. Becoming a slave to the system is like becoming a slave to your hammer because you can't imagine not driving a nail without it. MONEY IS NOTHING but an accounting of wealth. The underlying wealth, or value which has been created, is all that matters. In the end, we are only as rich as the value we create, right now. All else is, in essence, someone gaming the system.

reply to post by it fit when I was a Kid

This is going to happen, and their will be some resistance but it won't stop it from happening.

Sadly I agree.
This whole thing has been a carefully orchestrated and planned event, it has been worked out and re-figured many times. It has been changed and practiced and changed again, like proving a highly advanced mathmatical theory.

This plan has been in motion for decade. They believe that they now have a plan that will work. They have played out all the possibilities and believe they have a successfull responce in place for all contingencies. The truly disheartening thought is that they probably do!

These are not just a bunch of idiot control freaks with a bit of power playing a game. These are intelligent evil minded secret rulers with monstrous amounts of power and control, who are executing a long planned, well thought out advancement in their goal of world domination. We are so deeply enslaved already that there is likely nothing that can really be done to stop them. The bankers and their "money", "the root of ALL evil" rule the world. The government (U.S.) is just as much under their control as you and I. The politicians are all either members of this elite class (Bush), puppet mouthpieces (Obama), or unable to do anything about it (Paul and Feingold).

Their will be resistance as you said, but it will be random and disorganized, thus easily squashed with the added bonus of mobilizing troops in a step toward martial law. (did I mention something about design and planning?) Not to mention that things are moving at just about the right speed. (think, hunter stalking prey) where large numbers of quality Americans senses are on red alert, high tension and wariness, BUT, are not moved so far as to physically react. Sheep being slowly hearded into the pen. Not liking where it is they are going but not frightened sufficiently to strike out. Ladies and Gentlemen, I tell you We are all slaves, I tell you we have been slaves for a very long time. We have been given the illusion of choice, and we have been programed by the public education system. The average working class joe (or Jane) has very little actual free time. We have become lethargic and complacent in the repetition in our daily lives, and we no longer have the ability to stop the advancement of the order.

Their is no longer the need for such secrecy from our rulers, They believe in the timing of these events, They believe in the same "conspiracies" that we investigate right here on this very forum. They have gaurded knowledge as to the real truth and they have protected it for generations.

We will bear witness over the next several years, to the greatest and most profound changes in recorded history. Will you remember the way it was before?

Hidden In Plain Sight, there are so arrogant
they just, don't hide it anymore

So how will this work with the UK not on the Euro and the rest of Euro is on the Euro and not willing to negotiate? This is all a political trip to keep Brown in office as he has screwed up so bad that he has no other place to go before the streets of the UK burn due to civil unrest....

Obama to Push for Panama Free-Trade Accord, Rework Colombian, Korean Pacts
www.bloomberg.com...

More "proof"?

Originally posted by enigmania
reply to post by Hx3_1963

 

Yep there we go.

Just as many of us had expected.

Problem-reaction-solution.

this (op article) will be part of the problem ..........masssive spending can not be financed by the treasury and foreign bond markets........their respective central banks will soon have to print money and then buy them (bonds) to finance the spending .......( central bank monetization) i.e Real Inflation.......should this "global deal" come to pass.......this will ******JUST SLIP the nooose TIGHTER around SOVERIGN GOVT's credit ratings****....till the currency's go pop and the POWERZ institute the New GLobaL Gov't........watch and see

Grumble good post.......in reference to item 2. The only way out should they choose SPENDING is to print the money and buy the issued debt ( THIS is where the threat) of REAL INFLATION comes in........not the nonsense that people have been posting about already happening.......but should this happen ...(and the bank of japan not be able to buy enough treasury....which they may try) then the bond markets could LIKELY do what the stock market has done....then the currency's go down in tandem........and blood flows in the streets........and people will willfully succomb to any type of draconian NWO laws........this is NOT A JOKE



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Give me an n.....N
Give me a w......W
Give me an o.....O

What does that spell?


New World Order.

reply to post by W3RLIED2

your right on the money but have you underestimated the NWO? they cover all of their bases. They want you to organize, they want you to oppose them, speak publicly about them, promote their "ghostly" presence. some of the truth movement speakers themselves have been implemented by NWO affiliates so that they can figure out who it is exactly that will be opposing them in the first place. so when you go to organize, your just saving them the trouble of figuring out who is with them and who is against them. You are catalogued for those FEMA camps that may or may not exist, but probably do. its pretty unfortunate the stupidity that is a large portion of the american people. But what do you expect with your mass media force owned and operated by companies like Walt Disney and other large entertainment forces like Viacom. we live in The United States of Entertainment, where the logo on your shirt or that purse that costs more than most peoples paychecks is priority over living in a free and open society bent on its own self directed human evolution and place in the cosmos. how unfortunate.

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Civil unrest ? in the UK? i say old bean, just not cricket! What!!

It really needs it though, This govt is squeezing the British people and pushing us into a corner, I would like to see soon , the same scenario being played out as in the POLL TAX riots in the 80's. But where did that get us?? Flippin council tax that goes up around 10 -13% each year, So no matter what you do they still get you in the end.

Brown, for all i care can go take a flying F*** at a rolling ring donut.. His self inflated ego has got Britain into a bit of a hole and is now trying to make himself into some kind of saviour, He is so not that and if the US entertains his ideas then, Im moving to China!!

He has let the Brits down as have the rest of his cronies , an unelected windbag selling Britain to the lowest bidder...

Roll on the next General Election ..... Oh .. but the next will be just as bad (if thats possible)

Regards
Git

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It won't come to that of course. There will be no riots, unless instigated by those with agendas other than that protested. You can be certain of this.

A long time ago in a galaxy far far away. Well 1997, back when I was living a little further North than now. I remarked that with the sweeping aside of the Conservatives and election of Neo-Labour the only thing that would change was the colour of the flag.

I was naive. It took nearly a full ten years to get a handle on what really happens. Even through those years of university education I remained in blissful ignorance of the world-machine.

As far as the "one-eyed idiot" (thanks Clarkson) is concerned he was looking as if he was sitting on a very sticky wicket until recently. I avoid MSM as a rule but even I noticed he was not long for the political world. Then I noticed something very interesting. The number of speeches where he referred to the New World Order. It seemed to me that every one of those words was a direct plea to TPTB,

"I'm with you. Honest I am. See? See how many times I can say how wonderful a New World Order would be?"

Hey Presto! Brown gets a new lease of life but in the mean time don't think It's been all one sided...

Forget the slightly out of favour George Osbourne. Remember who else has been to Bilderberg more times than "Boy" George. That's right, jolly old nice lovable Ken Clarke. What is he now? Shadow Business Secretary? Hmmm, makes you wonder.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Why do Americans have a problem being united in a single world?

You've GOT to be kidding!
Kiss liberty and freedom of speech and religion goodbye.
Kiss your hard earned money goodbye.

Read - We the Living. One for all and all for one rhetoric is really just death for the individual and sickness for society. It fails.

reply to post by Hx3_1963


Of course he wants a "new global deal" he got screwed in the last one! They are still trying to get back on top of things and the more they do the faster they are falling.

So let's go over to the USA! The ones we blamed in worldwide manner for this whole mess in the first place and bs them into paying out for it yet again......wash rinse repeat!
I mean heck the Americans are letting the government run all over them as it is....maybe we can get them to pay for the rest of the world too.

These PTB do not have enough...strength to push their agenda unless we let it happen. They are fading...railing backward. There are still good people out there that will not have anything to do with this. Country leaders out there who DO NOT ...want an NWO, who disagree with a NWO, and will not let a NWO take over their homeland. American's are not all dumb, we are all not sheep. We are waking up slowly....and surely will. There will be bloodshed, and painful times.....that always comes with change.

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The major flaw in everything that Obama and Brown have and will suggest is the fact that they seem to have overlooked the record levels of personal debt that the UK and USA populations have. It doesn't really matter whether companies can borrow money more easily because unless consumers start buying again then there is no need for greater manufacturing. In short the people have reached their capacity to repay debts they already owe. So borrowing more money is totally out of the question for them given that as soon as the economy picks up so will bank lending rates.
Browns master plan is to get world treasuries to print more money and increase the circulation of money. The effect will be just as it was in Germany and Italy between the two World Wars - complete devaluation. Brown and Obama hope to take the rest of the World with them otherwise it will be disastrous for not only the US $ but the UK £. More importantly it will completely devalue the US $ reserves held by China with heaven knows what disastrous effects.
One other thing. Gordon Brown is suggesting that UK accountancy regulations be relaxed. This would be consistent with the Governments policy of watering down everything i.e. educational qualifications, punishment for crime etc. But it would also mean that big corporations would be able to further manipulate their balance sheets and recreate a further pool of toxic assets - the very assets that the accountancy profession has been only so ready to state represent a true and fair valuation and why the British government is committing the British taxpayer to future years of taxation misery. Perhaps if accountants didn't rely on extremely lucrative management and taxation consultancy they might do a better job of auditing dodgy balance sheets. But that would be against the interest of certainly the UK government and probably the newly elected socialist US president.

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If we do not protest in the streets over this absurdness then America is lost for ever, as will every free Nation, including Britain and all the Western World.

We CANNOT allow any form of "Global New Deal" to take place, it is a violation of Sovereignty!

This is probably the worst thing the Brits can do, and after everything fails the people will probably look at the prime minister without such great leadership. this just furthers the idea of a NWO.

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I guess that the Brits haven't heard yet, but the US is broke. We are getting our cash from IOU's to our grandkids, and by selling assets to China.

Now we do have some bankrupt banks and insurance companies that we can throw into the mix, if Mr. Brown thinks that will help.

Seriously folks, have any of these people ever had an Economics class? Taking money out of the Federal Reserve and then using that money to buy failed assets, hoping that the crisis would miraculously turn itself around! The Federal Reserve is the money pool where banks go to borrow money. That is why we have a credit crisis. Banks don't loan their own money out, they loan the money that is on deposit, and that is in the Federal Reserve.

This whole situation was setup folks, and by the likes of Alan Greenspan, Tim Geitner, and Robert Rubin no less.

By the way folks the key to getting out of this situation is for the public to save more of their money.

I know that the government is telling us to spend, spend, spend, but that will not help businesses nearly as much as an increase in consumer saving.

Why do I say that?

Most consumer products are made in China, Taiwan, India, etc. When you increase consumer spending a large portion of that money goes overseas and out of the local economy. It also adds to our trade deficit.

When you save your money, the money goes into the money pool at the Federal Reserve and relieves the money shortage that is causing the credit crunch on US businesses.

So, save, save, save, save like the wind!

reply to post by lunarminer

When you save your money, the money goes into the money pool at the Federal Reserve and relieves the money shortage that is causing the credit crunch on US businesses.

Wrong!

Money is debt. Money is created literally out of thin air as a debt. when you take a loan the money you receive is magically created out of nothing. when you pay the money back (at interest) the money disappears out of existence again.
The fundemental flaw in this is the interest owed to the bank. the only way to get the money to pay off the interest on the loan is to go deeper into debt to pay the interest which in turn generates more debt. In fact if there was no debt at all there would be no money.

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The federal reserve is lapping at the trough right now. happily lending/creating just as much money as we ask for to save what? BANKS!! We are throwing mountains of borrowed cash into a fire and weakening our buying power at the same time. In the hope of continuing the exponential growth which is the foundation of our monetary system and which is also Impossible to continue forever. It is simply not possible for our system to keep working forever.
We have delayed the downfall by artificially creating demand by increasing new debt. the party may very well be over.

End the FED, let the government take back control of our nations money
It's why we fought the revolutionary war in the first place
The central bank of the FED is no different than the central bank of England was when we fought a war to be rid of the debt slavery to the bank. Woodrow Wilson ruined us when he allowed it and whatever his intent at the time he later recanted

I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men." -Woodrow Wilson

If the people of the nation understood our banking and monetary system, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.-Henry Ford

On June 4th 1963 JFK issued executive order 11110 which removes the power of the fed to loan money to the United States and gave the power to the treasury where it should be, to issue silver certificates against actual silver rather than thin air
These silver certificates would have killed the fed and were still being printed November 22nd 1963 when they killed him.
Interestingly it would seem that executive order 11110 is still valid and has not been changed.

*Note-after checking I did find a thread on this right here at home*
Did The Fed Kill JFK?


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Here we see the disturbing trend of politicians and of great Americans warning against and damning the central bank (fed)
We also see the very bankers who are perpetrating this crime against all of us at all levels. Admiting it. They openly tell us how badly we are robbed while they line there pockets all the way to their rich elitist mansions and laughing all the way.
I am in awe that this is allowed to go on. It is almost a conspiracy in itself.

Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws -- Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild

Most Americans have no real understanding of the operation of the international money lenders. The accounts of the Federal
Reserve System have never been audited. It operates outside the control of Congress and manipulates the credit of the United States -- Sen. Barry Goldwater (Rep. AZ)

This [Federal Reserve Act] establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President Wilson signs this bill, the invisible government of the monetary power will be legalized....the worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking and currency bill. -- Charles A. Lindbergh, Sr. , 1913

From now on, depressions will be scientifically created. -- Congressman Charles A. Lindbergh Sr. , 1913

The financial system has been turned over to the Federal Reserve Board. That Board administers the finance system by authority of a purely profiteering group. The system is Private, conducted for the sole purpose of obtaining the greatest possible profits from the use of other people's money" -- Charles A. Lindbergh Sr., 1923

The Federal Reserve banks are one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever seen.There is not a man within the sound of my voice who does not know that this nation is run by the International bankers -- Congressman Louis T. McFadden (Rep. Pa)

Some people think the Federal Reserve Banks are the United States government's institutions. They are not government institutions. They are private credit monopolies which prey upon the people of the United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign swindlers" -- Congressional
Record 12595-12603 -- Louis T. McFadden, Chairman of the Committee on Banking and Currency (12 years) June 10, 1932

Should government refrain from regulation (taxation), the worthlessness of the money becomes apparent and the fraud can no longer be concealed." -- John Maynard Keynes, "Consequences of Peace.

The modern Banking system manufactures money out of nothing. The process is perhaps the most astounding piece of sleight of hand that was ever invented. Banks can in fact inflate, mint and unmint the modern ledger-entry currency.- MAJOR L .L. B. ANGUS

People who will not turn a shovel full of dirt on the project (Muscle Shoals Dam)nor contribute a pound of material, will collect more money from the United States than will the People who supply all the material and do all the work. This is the terrible thing about interest ...But here is the point: If the Nation can issue a dollar bond it can issue a dollar bill. The element that makes the bond good makes the bill good also. The difference between the bond and the bill is that the bond lets the money broker collect twice the amount of the bond and an addi- tional 20%. Whereas the currency, the honest sort provided by the Constitution pays nobody but those who contribute in some useful way. It is absurd to say our Country can issue bonds and cannot issue currency. Both are promises to pay, but one fattens the usurer and the other helps the People. If the currency issued by the People were no good, then the bonds would be no good, either. It is a terrible situation when the Government, to insure the National Wealth, must go in debt and submit to ruinous interest charges at the hands of men who control the fictitious value of gold. Interest is the invention of Satan. - THOMAS A. EDISON

the list goes on and on but I wanted to illustrate the sheer volume of this while refraining from filling the thread with quotes.




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