Elongated skulls discovered in Russia, Jan. 2009

Why is it, that these same skulls that are caused by human intervention, are showing up in Africa, South America, North America, Europe, and now Russia?

These skulls are thousands, upon thousands of years old.

What made these people, of different cultures, on different continents seperated by vast oceans or land mass, all do the exact same thing?

Do you see what I'm saying here? It doesn't make much sense!

There was no communication at this time between these cultures, they didn't even know of each others existence, yet they all did skull binding.

Very odd.

Food for thought.

reply to post by ShooterSix


It is food for thought how this is found in many ancient civilizations. But as posted a couple of times here there is a theory that makes since for where ever they are.

A child being born with a cone head. Like some are born today with cone heads. Nothing alien just natural occurrence. But without the science of today, they assumed it could be a sign from their god or gods.

Not proven but a logical explanation. Is it right maybe maybe not. But it sounds good enough to be

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Originally posted by ShooterSix
Why is it, that these same skulls that are caused by human intervention, are showing up in Africa, South America, North America, Europe, and now Russia?

These skulls are thousands, upon thousands of years old.

What made these people, of different cultures, on different continents seperated by vast oceans or land mass, all do the exact same thing?

Do you see what I'm saying here? It doesn't make much sense!

There was no communication at this time between these cultures, they didn't even know of each others existence, yet they all did skull binding.

Hiya, don't assume that there was no communication between cultures. On the Eurasian and African landmass cross-cultural influences have always been there. Trade routes, migration and interacting populations have been present for thousands of years. Have a look at The Atlas of the Human Journey, it's got video and text and is quite eye-opening.

There's an implication that these skulls are somehow more extraordinary than they already are. Some believe they are alien skulls whereas others suggest that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and they were emulating alien skulls. We have the archaeological evidence of the skulls. We have photos of skull-binding. We have documented accounts of skull binding. We don't have any cultural accounts of visitation by aliens being the cause of the process. This doesn't disprove the possibility, but it means that the explanations provided by Byrd, Pauligirl and others are the simplest and most likely. What humans are prepared to do to each other shouldn't come as any surpise

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I'm a lurker, and doubt you will read this. Hopefully someone has already informed you of this but there was a native american indian tribe that used to attach boards to the head of infants to "flatten" the skull of the child. I'm guessing this would work in the same way.

Originally posted by Lhuhikwdwoo
modern and active? if so I haven't heard of it, but I do know the pacific northwest indian tribes did deform the skulls of their offspring by applying a plate to the forehead even after sustained contact with the british and americans

Yes, it has been done throughout the history of mankind.

"Introduction Artificial deformation of the neonatal cranial vault is one form of permanent alteration of the body that has been performed by the human being from the beginning of history as a way of differentiating from others."

www.springerlink.com...

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I think the answer as to why these skulls show up in multiple regions is......

Some human psychological dysfunction that pops up in various cultures/family groups. Family groups tending to congregate in an area.

I know, people don't like it when you say that some "cultural" practices are crazy....but there are many cultural practices that and essentially insane and point to normalized mental dysfunction.

I do wonder if some people realized that they had a better survival rate for hydrocephly if they shaped the babies heads. Then over applied it.

Originally posted by Aeons

Originally posted by Byrd

Very cool.

Now I want to know if there is any indications of health and intelligence issues with people who've had this done.

As far as anyone can tell, there's nothing unusual. It simply reshapes the head. They have an average range of IQs...some are bright, some are mentally retarded, most are average.

The tribes who practiced this weren't know for being overly bright... or overly stupid. The Salish were known for their beautiful carvings and their sophisticated tribal and clan structure. The Flatheads were good horsemen.

All these photos I see posted trying to debunk this is still human skulls that has been binded to a certain shape. Still the fact that volume can't increase with binding should obliterate the supposed logic that the skulls with such a large volume could ever have belonged to a human as we know it.

Do note that a human skull may only extend in one direction due to binding, wich in these cases are upwards (longer/higher skulls). However, the skulls found with such an incredible volume are longer and broader. I believe that there is no way binding could ever have done that to a human skull.

About it being a disease; I have not researched all known diseases, but I would however like to say that I strongly doubt a disease of any sort could cause such symmetry. Also, from pictures there is only the skull that is "deformed", why didn't the rest of the skeleton look like something that had been under the influence of a disease?

The only possible one I can come up with to account for the longer/broader/increased volume ones is that they had hydrocephalus.

The binding would prevent deformation by guiding the direction of the extraneous growth. The fact that one of these skulls ALSO had a trepanation might be suggestive of this too. To release further pressure accumulation.

Originally posted by Clear
All these photos I see posted trying to debunk this is still human skulls that has been binded to a certain shape. Still the fact that volume can't increase with binding should obliterate the supposed logic that the skulls with such a large volume could ever have belonged to a human as we know it.

They're all the same volume. This has been proven over and over again (by pouring sand or peas or pellets into the skull and then pouring it into an unmodified skull.)

Do note that a human skull may only extend in one direction due to binding

Not true, actually. People have bound the foreheads, the back of the head, and in the case of the Flathead Indians, the side of the head. And the middle, too, as one of the pictures shows, with the skull ending up in sort of an open "figure 8" shape.

Also, from pictures there is only the skull that is "deformed", why didn't the rest of the skeleton look like something that had been under the influence of a disease?

Because they're not diseased. They're normal folks with body modification.

Skull binding would not increase the volume of the skull.
This was a distinct race of people. The other thing they are not telling you is that many of these skulls have double rows of teeth.
They were tall and of robust build.
The Guanches of the Canary Islands had similar skulls.
Photos of them are almost impossible to find.
There was an exhibit in Malta for a while, but it was removed.
Yes, TPTB are hiding our past from us.

Many of the Egyptian royalty had this shape of skull.
What happened to this race? They certainly left plenty of evidence of their having been here.

coneheads & faces of the pharaohs

Originally posted by OhZone
The other thing they are not telling you is that many of these skulls have double rows of teeth.

No they don't. Look at the skulls!

Hey Byrd,

Originally posted by ByrdGenerally it's to distinguish one caste from another (the rulers are the only ones with head bindings). Tattoos also serve the same function.

I see. But why this specific shape which as far as I'm aware can be found in different civilizations/tribes from different parts of the world?

They could very well molded in different shapes, no?

And since you've mentioned that only rulers were allowed to have head bindings. I ask you what exactly they were trying to look like by having their heads molded that way?

Like "GODs" maybe?

Originally posted by ByrdLots. Lots and lots. Anthropologists love this kind of stuff and study body modifications in tribal and modern societies.

That I know, but is there any study regarding to the way the brain functions behave with such extreme modifications?

Does it affect them at all?

Originally posted by ByrdIt was Chinese, and one theory said it began because the Emperor's daughter was born with a condition called clubbed feet. Another (with more credible documentation) says that it was to make the girls' feet as beautiful as those of the professional dancing girls. Only peasants had fat, flat feet
en.wikipedia.org...

Interesting, thanks for the link.



Cheers,

Originally posted by thomas_
Hey Byrd,

Originally posted by ByrdGenerally it's to distinguish one caste from another (the rulers are the only ones with head bindings). Tattoos also serve the same function.

I see. But why this specific shape which as far as I'm aware can be found in different civilizations/tribes from different parts of the world?

Well, it's not universal. Generally they elongated the back of the head...but not always, and they did many different shapes.

And since you've mentioned that only rulers were allowed to have head bindings. I ask you what exactly they were trying to look like by having their heads molded that way?

In a highly stratified society with little ability to move from one social class to the other, it quickly identified who was a ruling class person and who was a peasant. Same with tattoos. A member of one tribe or one class couldn't pass for someone else, even in a foreign area (as when they got together to trade or at festivals.)

Like "GODs" maybe?

Most of them didn't have what we'd think of as "gods" until fairly late. Aztecs/Mayans did, but the gods of the Native Americans didn't look like coneheads. Or flatheads. And then it all changed when they were Christianized.

That I know, but is there any study regarding to the way the brain functions behave with such extreme modifications?

Does it affect them at all?

Yes there are studies, no there are no observed effects -- any more than piercing your ears lets you hear the vibrations of the cosmos or wearing corsets and girdles makes you breathe in harmony with the world.

I can't see why changing the shape of the brain wouldn't have some impact on briain function. Your brain isn't your ears.

I don't have anything useful to add here. Except..if these skulls gave way to that horrible Indiana Jones movie they should be rounded up and destroyed so no one else can ever do something so terrible.

Seriously..been pouring over a lot of topics today and the one thing I see constantly is Byrd and Harte pissing all over some rather bunk theories. Which makes my day. Harte and Bryd..you are the reasons my co-workers think I'm nuts. It's hard to explain to people what I find so amusing while I'm acting busy at work.

One thing: A lot of people seem to be forgetting the most basic process of gathering information when you are researching something: Take the time. Listen..I search for Brittney Spears porno vids and I'm gonna get a lot of hit. But the simple fact remains there is no video there. Thankfully.

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Given the fact that history as we know it is not 100% fact whose to say that there aren't millions of these skulls around the planet? Maybe even other types...Same thing with dwarf bones and larger bones that are found randomly...

There's just no guarantee. This is refreshing to see because we are starting to go outside the world that we have been caged into when it comes to science and history. Things aren't as black and white as they'd like you to believe.

Whose to say that there's not someone living with a body like this? Unlikely sure but who knows.

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I agree with you. We are learning more and more about these types of discoveries, thanks to the info age.
What is interesting to me about this find is that it contained the bodies of several individuals, not just one, meaning it wasn't the grave for some deformed member of the group. It will be interesting to know if these skulls were the product of some kind of binding.

Archaeology is fascinating, a bit of science, a bit of history, and a whole lot of imagination.
Someone told me sometime ago that archaeology is the most fun you can have with your pants on.

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These coneheads can also be found in Peru, Mexico and to a lesser extent in Malta and Syria. The conical shape is, imo, too pronounced to be from head binding.

I've examined the Starchild skull (copy) and do not believe it is of a deformed child. It and the coneheads seem to be of different species to HOmo sapiens. Whether that is ET I don't know.

thucydides

I would like to add to the discussion, the case of Pericles, one of the most celebrated and beloved leaders of the ancient Athenian Democracy. He is the guy funding the construction of Parthenon and responsible for many other great projects in ancient Athens (also wars, legislation and of course scandals , as a proper politician).

en.wikipedia.org...

The era when Pericles ruled Athens is known as the "Golden Age"

en.wikipedia.org...


He was well-known for a strange deformation of his skull, that made all the artists depict him wearing a helmet. He never escaped however the notorious ancient comic poets, which called him "squill-head," after the large elongated bulb of the squill, or sea-onion, which grows on the coast of the Mediterranean.


The fact that many tribes practice methods for the elongation of their skulls seems simply irrefutable. The question why they did so remains still open to interpretation. A possible answer is that this is simply a variation among the multitude of interventions in the human body, practiced by tribes through the centuries (elongated necks, lips, feet, nipples etc). This was done most probably to enhance characteristics conceived as sexually more attractive, or depicting noble blood or even intelligence. It is most obvious that a larger head, would easily perceived as containing more brains and wisdom than a smaller one.


Now, the strange coincidence in this story, is that there have been indeed some leaders, which exhibited unconventional wisdom, among their peers, that had (or were perceived as having) elongated skulls.

We have:
-Pericles (Ancient Athens)

-Nefertiti (Ancient Egypt)
-Tutankhamun and his brother or father (Ancient Egypt)
-Akenaton (Ancient Egypt)