Scientific Evidence, 9-11 was a inside Job

For emphasis.



Yeah.

That magically happened.

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Originally posted by adam_zapple

Originally posted by BigC2012
It wouldnt matter about power downs, bomb sniffing dogs were removed so contractors could enter freely with any thermate which as we saw in the video above is just a powder before you ignite it.

Do your research:

"On the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, the Explosive Detector Team for the World Trade Center – consisting of Lim and Sirius – were in their South Tower basement office when the first plane struck the North Tower. Officer Lim put his 4-year-old partner in his kennel and headed off to the damaged tower to help"

www.downtownexpress.com...



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Sirius was the only dog that died on 9/11. Is that enough of a snout to smell 1/2 mile in the air?

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Originally posted by Edrick
reply to post by Lifthrasir

 

"How was the thermite placed in the buildings"

Good question...

The company doing security for WTC was Securacom, they also did security for dulles international airport.

Principal for this company was Marvin Bush.... their security contract for the WTC complex ended on september 10th, 2001

In addition, There were reported "Powerdowns" and security blackouts in the weeks preceeding september 11th.

digg.com...


-Edrick

You can always tell when someone new finds ATS. They always bring up the conspiracy theories that have already been discussed and dismissed long ago. Marvin Bush was not the "principal" for Securacom. He was on the Board of Directors though. Of course, he left that position in June of 2000, 15 months prior to 9/11/01. On the other part, Securacom wasnt in charge of security at the WTC. The complex had its own security which was backed up by the Port Authority Police Department.

On to the "power downs" the source for the power down story is a gentleman named Scott Forbes. His story has changed several times. First it was the whole tower that his business was in, then he admitted it was from the floors his business was on to the top of that tower, finally, he said it was only the couple floors his company was on. Also, orginally it was for two days, then thirty-six hours, finally it was only shutdown for 18 hours. So, his final story is, power was partially shut down on the floors occupied by his company for almost 18 hours. Doesnt really matter because not even 36 hours would be enough time to rig ONE of the three buildings for demolition. To date, no one has corraborated Mr Forbes story and no one has come forward about power downs in the other buildings.

reply to post by Griff


I didnt realize that there were helicopter deliveries to the towers......Why would you take a bomb sniffing dog to the 100th floor....when all packages are coming through the basements/1st floor?????

Originally posted by thedman
reply to post by Trauma

 

At that time conditions may have been tolerable, but not for long

Many of those clustered near the impact hole jumped soon after the
picture was taken

Also ask yourself - Why were they clustered near the impact hole?

Could it have been that heat and smoke drove them there to find
fresah air ?

Another disgusting post by conspiracy loons....

You made total sense until the last sentence. Sad. It's surprising how often you get away with the "loon" comments, yet we can't talk about drugs anymore. Not that I ever did in the first place.....that's none of your business what medications I take. Hmm....ATS has given me a bad taste in my mouth for some time now, maybe it's time for another hobby?

Sorry Admin, I love you all, but It's getting to the point of sad really.

reply to post by Revolution-2012


Even better pictures - the conspiracy loons post this cropped version
to "prove" their thermite/thermate dribble....

Notice workmen in the background CUTTING the beams with TORCHES!

home.hiwaay.net...

reply to post by _BoneZ_

Wirt Walker would be the "Walker" in George Herbert WALKER Bush, as in the Bush family Walker's.

You might want to do some better research. The original source for the story of Wirt being related, has long since admitted that they were wrong. Wirt Walker is not related...or at least no one has found links going back to before the Revolutionary War.

reply to post by Griff


Sorry if offended you Griff - unfortunately get rather upset at some of the more senseless/illogical stuff ....

Stuff like "Gee can be so bad, look at them standing around like
nothing happened....."

Lets see - a jet airliner just ploughed through your building

Now what would you do?

A) Stand around admiring the huge hole blasted in the building

or

B) Get your butt out as fast as possible

Reason people are standing there is that all the escape routeswere CUT OFF! Either blocked by debris or fire. Why people are there is trying
to find relief from heat and smoke

One thing Griff - the people in this scene are clustered at the lower end
of the impact zone (93-94th floor) in North Tower. Also this isthe north
face of the building where plane first hit. Momentum (aka traveling near 500 mph) carried much of the jet fuel and combustible objects to the
the other side of the building. Fires would be more intense there. Wind
would also tend to push fire away (at least at first) and provide fresh air.

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
reply to post by Griff

 

I didnt realize that there were helicopter deliveries to the towers......Why would you take a bomb sniffing dog to the 100th floor....when all packages are coming through the basements/1st floor?????

OK. Can a dog smell a floor above? Remember Sirius is the only dog to have died on 9/11. Are you going to tell me that one officer would lock his dog up while everyone else didn't? That's some cold hearted officer then. Eh?

reply to post by Griff


Police dogs have shifts just like any other police officer, and when they are 'off duty' they are in their cages. Why is it so hard to accept that?

reply to post by thedman


As I said, you make complete sense until you start spouting "loons" etc. It just makes you, yourself, look bad IMO. Can't we disagree without being hard-headed? I usually enjoy your posts except for the brashness. That's all I'm saying.

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
reply to post by Griff

 

Police dogs have shifts just like any other police officer, and when they are 'off duty' they are in their cages. Why is it so hard to accept that?

If you had read the story of Sirius, he was on duty and his master caged him during the debacle. Look it up.

reply to post by Griff


Okay fine, so he returned his dog to somewhere thought to be safe so he could better help with evacuating people. Still....not seeing where this is some kind of proof of a dasterdly conspiracy.

reply to post by Griff


Reason Sirius was caged was that was not needed. What good is a
bomb sniffing dog when terrorists are crashing airplanes into buildings.

Officer Lim put Sirius back in his kennel to keep him out of way while
he did what he could to try to evacuate and rescue people in building.

Had no idea the towers would collapse

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
reply to post by Griff

 

Okay fine, so he returned his dog to somewhere thought to be safe so he could better help with evacuating people. Still....not seeing where this is some kind of proof of a dasterdly conspiracy.

It proves there where not many bomb sniffing dogs.

Actually, I have no idea why we are still arguing this when we can pretty much surmise that bomb sniffing dogs are trained for bombs and not aluminothermics.

Which is what this thread is about.

Thanks _Bonez_

couldnt have responded better myself.

Marvin Bush, Board of Directors, Securacom/Stratasec.

Source: www.washingtonspectator.com...

Stratasec/Securacom Financially backed and primarilly controlled by Kuwait/American Corp

Source: www.washingtonspectator.com...

Interestingly enough, Securacom went public on SEPTEMBER 11th, 1997.

Marvin Bush also served on the board of directors of HCC Insurance (formerly Houston Casualty Company), one of the main insurance carriers for the World Trade Center.

He left the HCC board in November 2002.

Source in previous article.


More info when uncovered.


-Edrick

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And he still uses Margie Burns...lol. Might want to find some better sources.

Originally posted by _BoneZ_

Originally posted by adam_zapple
Why is it that these 2 guys are the only ones who knew about a power down that would have affected thousands of people?

You have no idea how many knew about the power down. Just because thousands of people haven't come forward to say there was one, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Out of the thousands of people who worked there...only 2 claim anything about power downs. (And both are truthers) Does that not arise your suspicions?

Originally posted by _BoneZ_
Once again, a simple recorded call on your behalf to the Port Authority or an FOIA request could ease your mind.

I'm not the one claiming there was a power down. That's something Mr. Forbes should be doing.

Originally posted by _BoneZ_

Originally posted by adam_zapple
Where is the paper trail?

Why the hell would you be asking that question here?

Because you claimed that there was a paper trail. So let's see it.

Originally posted by _BoneZ_

Originally posted by adam_zapple
I'm sure you'd simply rather believe that everything that Scott Forbes says is correct, but that's not how it works.

That's not how it works with you. There's no reason to disbelieve Mr. Forbes. You have some nefarious reason for not believing him.

It's called skepticism....there is ZERO evidence supporting his claims. ZERO. No copy of a letter from the port authority which would have gone down through his management, no internal memos about the power down, no names of the PA contacts who allegedly told them about it. NOTHING.

Add to that the fact that his story doesn't make sense....secure doors don't magically unlock during a power outage. Security systems don't simply stop working and cameras don't suddenly stop recording.

Originally posted by _BoneZ_
So, you get off your comfortable little armchair and make some calls, get some FOIA's and then inform us of your findings. Otherwise, you have no business commenting on such things with your little BS one-liners "False" and "Hearsay".

Get some proof of your disbelief and put up, or shut up.

Stop trying to shift the burden of proof. You're asking me to prove a negative.
The burden of proof is on Mr. Forbes (or Mr. Rodriguez) to prove that any of these alleged power-downs actually took place.

Originally posted by Revolution-2012
For emphasis.



Yeah.

That magically happened.

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*yawn*

You mean one of the columns which was cut by rescue workers AFTER the collapse?


Seriously, you truthers need to get a new bag of claims...these are getting really old.

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Originally posted by Griff

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
reply to post by Griff

 

I didnt realize that there were helicopter deliveries to the towers......Why would you take a bomb sniffing dog to the 100th floor....when all packages are coming through the basements/1st floor?????

OK. Can a dog smell a floor above? Remember Sirius is the only dog to have died on 9/11. Are you going to tell me that one officer would lock his dog up while everyone else didn't? That's some cold hearted officer then. Eh?

You should have read the article.

On the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, the Explosive Detector Team for the World Trade Center – consisting of Lim and Sirius – were in their South Tower basement office when the first plane struck the North Tower. Officer Lim put his 4-year-old partner in his kennel and headed off to the damaged tower to help

“I told him, ‘I think we’re in a lot of trouble right now,’” said Lim, who assumed he and Sirius had somehow failed to detect an explosive. “I said, ‘I’ll be back for you.’”

But before Lim could return, the events of the day unfolded, the South Tower collapsed followed by the North Tower, burying Lim on the fourth floor with six firefighters and an injured woman. The people were all safely rescued five hours later.

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