The Palestinian Genocide

Palestine is not on the map. Palestinians now make only about 1.4million of the population in what is now called Israel (www.ynet.co.il...). Their numbers along with their land are getting smaller. Yet propaganda has led many to believe otherwise.

In time, there will be no Palestinians left. Their decendants will be born in a different country, taking on a new race. History will be erased and Palestinians will be no more.

In the recent conflict these people were referred to as Gazan's not Palestinians. Protests around the world were about Gaza not Palestine. These people have been stripped of their race and their identity.

Palestinians have almost become a myth.

Why has nobody noticed? Why can't you see the the deliberate and systematic destruction of this racial, political, and cultural group? Why can't you see the genocide?

Originally posted by Obliterated
Palestine is not on the map. Palestinians now make only about 1.4million of the population in what is now called Israel (www.ynet.co.il...). Their numbers along with their land are getting smaller. Yet propaganda has led many to believe otherwise.

Who's propaganda? Arabic News? The Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics? God forbid anyone should "cherry-pick" their information.....heh?

The population of the Hamas-ruled Gaza Strip has passed 1.4 million people, an increase of nearly 40 percent over the past 10 years, an official Palestinian census published Sunday said.

[snip]

The census found that as of 2007 the population of the territory had reached 1,416,543 compared to 1,022,207 in 1997, with an estimated annual growth rate of 3.3 percent.

Source, 2009

Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics (PCBS) said that Population in the Palestinian Territory increased by 39% during the period 1997-2006.

PCBS said that the Palestinian population reached 3.9 million in mid year 2006, of which 46% are less than 15 years.Source, 2006

Try to learn how to collect, ponder, and analyze information. Can you do that for me? Instead of spouting off your "canned" rhetoric?

The Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics figures are based on the population of people living in Palestinian Territories. Their definition of the borders are different to Israels interpretation of the borders and include East Jerusalem in their figures for the west bank and also Palestinian refugees living in Jordan. The are also based on predictions made in 1997. Regardless the figures aren't correct.

Their is only 1.4million Palestinians. The PCBS figures are quoted by various news groups and sites and ATS members to portray them as mass breeders who are going to take over the country with their growth rate.

It's propaganda either by them so they seem to have more people, or propaganda by groups who use the information to portray them in a negative light. But either way it is based on lies.

www.pcbs.pna.org...

[edit on 24-2-2009 by Obliterated]

Originally posted by Obliterated
It's propaganda either by them so they seem to have more people, or propaganda by groups who use the information to portray them in a negative light. But either way it is based on lies.

www.pcbs.pna.org...

This is from your own source.

The population of the Palestinian Territory is estimated to be 4.02 million at the mid 2007, with 2.52 million in the West Bank and 1.50 million in Gaza Strip. The estimated population of the Palestinian Territory by mid 2010 is 4.4 million, with 2.7 million in the West Bank and 1.7 million in Gaza Strip.

Everything you've said in this thread is, so far, a lie or ignorant garbage. Please, pick up the Clue Phone....it's ringing and I'm sure the call is for you.

reply to post by MrPenny

This was what i was trying to point out with that source. They include refugees who live in Jordan, Syria and Lebanon. They include those figures as part of Palestinian Territory even though they fall outside of the Israeli border.

Refugees make up about half of the Palestinians in the Diaspora and are also represented in the Palestinian Territory. Based on UNRWA records for the end of 2006, the number of Palestinian refugees in Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, West Bank and Gaza total 4.5 million, many of whom live in 59 camps, distributed as follows: 10 camps in Jordan, 10 camps in Syria, 12 camps in Lebanon, 19 camps in the West Bank and 8 camps in the Gaza Strip.

Here are the actual figures also quoted from the PCBS source...

The data base shows that 44.6% of the
population in the Palestinian Territory are refugees. They are estimated to be 1.8 million.......780,000 31.0% are in the West Bank and more than one
million 67.6% are in Gaza Strip.

Do you understand the figures now? They are misinterpreted. The fact is, the numbers in the territories which fall within the Israeli border are much less than people are led to believe.

reply to post by Obliterated


You're not trying to point out anything...you're "cherry picking" random numbers, desperately hoping some of them support your arguments. Sadly, they do not.

Okay, one more time from your own source....(you might want to read it),

the number of Palestinian refugees in Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, West Bank and Gaza total 4.5 million, many of whom live in 59 camps, distributed as follows: 10 camps in Jordan, 10 camps in Syria, 12 camps in Lebanon, 19 camps in the West Bank and 8 camps in the Gaza Strip.

That text describes the numbers of Palestinians considered refugees. The text you cited in your last post is speaking about the Palestinians considered to be refugees and living in Gaza/West Bank.

Now, one more time from your source.....I'm trying to be helpful so I've bolded the really important bits....pay attention to those.

The population of the Palestinian Territory is estimated to be 4.02 million at the mid 2007, with 2.52 million in the West Bank and 1.50 million in Gaza Strip.

God help you if you don't understand that.....God help us if you want to continue to stupidly deny the bald facts staring you in the face right now. You're either a stunningly obtuse troll, or woefully incapable of critical thought and reasoning.

Edit to add: What numbskull is giving your posts stars? May as well walk down the street and randomly stick stars on lamp posts.


[edit on 25-2-2009 by MrPenny]

Were where the Palestinians, before 1940?
Why is there no reference to them, before the Jews started moving back in?
Do you think that's because, they are made up?
As a humanitarian propaganda war, upon the Jews?
Because all the Arab Muslim states together, couldn't defeat Israel?
And so they take up another kind of humanitarian propaganda war?
Because I see Hamas, killing alot of people in Gaza.
Im just asking questions here, not making statements.

The population cannot be that high. The total population in Israel is about 7.1million. Jews account for 5.3million of these people.

Do the math that way.

Like I said, they are counting Palestinians who don't live within the Israeli borders as part of their population. They're not actually living there. They consider the refugees in surrounding countries who have ID's to return as part of the population numbers in Gaza and the Westbank.

reply to post by BorgHoffen


Were where the Palestinians, before 1940?
They were in Palestine.

Why is there no reference to them, before the Jews started moving back in?
There is a reference made to Palestine in the Belfour Declaration of 1917.

Do you think that's because, they are made up?As a humanitarian propaganda war, upon the Jews?Because all the Arab Muslim states together, couldn't defeat Israel?
And so they take up another kind of humanitarian propaganda war?

My grandfather was Palestinian, so was his father and his fathers father... his family were forced out in 1948. If they were made up, then i wouldn't be real, would i?

They could have defeated Israel, they couldn't defeat the British. By the way we're not all muslims. There is Christians too. In the place where Christ was born, you would expect Christians right?

Because I see Hamas, killing alot of people in Gaza.
Im just asking questions here, not making statements.

I see Israel, killing alot of people too.
I'm just answering questions here, not making statements

reply to post by Obliterated


Here's a newsflash for ya'....

The population of Israel, cited in various places as 7.1 million +/-, does not include Gaza or the West Bank. They are considered autonomous regions and are not included in the census figures for Israel proper.

I can't for the life of me understand how you're not "getting it". The figures and sources have been right in front of you, in black and white, and it hasn't "clicked".

reply to post by Obliterated


Thank god humanity has a thing called history. In history the Arabs got their asses kicked by Israel and Israelis alone. Those that want the land will fight for it, tell that your grandfather.

reply to post by Obliterated


I truly don't know where you are going with this:

There are about 1.4 million Arabs (Palestinians) in Israel proper. There are over 4 million Palestianians in the West Bank and Gaza. There are another 4 million+ scattered throughout the Arab World. That's not even counting those Palestinians who fled to the West, well over 670,000.

reply to post by pavil


Here it says....

the number of Palestinian refugees in Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, West Bank and Gaza total 4.5 million

They include Jordan, Syria and Lebanon. Along with the West Bank and Gaza to come up with a Total of 4.5million.

Here is an article which also outlines a population error. It puts the Palestinian population at 2.4million in total for Gaza and Westbank in 2004.

The 2004 Palestinian-Arab population was closer to 2.4 million than to the 3.8 million reported by Palestinian Authority (PA) officials.....

...the PA numbers are based on Palestine Bureau of Statistics (PBS) 1997 projections, not on actual population counts....

.....There were dramatically fewer births and lower fertility rates, and instead of immigration, the West Bank and Gaza experienced a steady net emigration.....

www.eretzyisroel.org...

In 1997 there were 2.9million. According to this article that would demonstrate that there has been a drop, not an increase in numbers.

I don't know the exact figures for the population, but the ones quoted by the PCBS are far from correct. And various news groups are using that data to portray the Palestinians negatively.

in 1948, approximately 750,000 Palestinians (almost half of the Palestinian population) were forced to leave their homes....
...in 1967, another 325,000 Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza Strip were forced to flee their homes, many for the second time. A systematic policy of deportation and forced migration continued for several years after the war with an annual average of 21,000 Palestinians leaving the occupied Palestinian territories, prevented from returning.

www.arabworldbooks.com...

If after expellsion in 1948, there were 1million Palestinians in Palestine then by 1967 (20 years later) 325,000 (1/3 of the population of 1948) were forced out.

And by 1970 there were 1million again. How does a population of 1million people become almost 5million people in 40 years? (5million including Israel and Palestinian Territories)

If between 1947 -67, the previous 20 year period, the population grew by about 300,000. Then how does it grow by almost 4,000,000 in 40 years? That's an average of 1million births per 10 years from a starting population of 1million.

population figures obtained from:
israelipalestinian.procon.org...

reply to post by Obliterated


Look up exponential growth.

Originally posted by Founding
reply to post by Obliterated

 

Look up exponential growth.

If until the late 70's the fertility rate was at it's highest at a 7.6 average, yet a population of 1million only grew by 325,000 within a 20 year period, then how can it multiply by 10 times if the fertility rate has in fact dropped since then?

Hypothetically if the 4.5million figure is correct and 60% of them are aged 0-18. That means there are only 1.8million people are over 18 years old.

Provided every single adult was old enough or young enough in the last 18 year period to have children and 50% of them are women (600,000), including old women, and women who 19 years ago were just born... every single one of them have to have had an average of 4.5 children in the past 19 years to come up with the current figure.

This is from Wiki but a UN Report:

The number of Palestinian refugees by country as of 2005 were as follows:
Jordan 1,827,877 refugees
Gaza 986,034 refugees
West Bank 699,817 refugees
Syria 432,048 refugees
Lebanon 404,170 refugees
Saudi Arabia 240,000 refugees
Egypt 70,245 refugees



In December 2007, an official Census conducted by the Palestinian Authority found that the Palestinian population of the West Bank (including Israeli-annexed East Jerusalem) was 2,345,000.[24][25]


In 2007 approximately 1.4 million Palestinians live in the Gaza Strip, of whom almost 1.0 million are UN-registered refugees

I stand corrected. I should have researched a little before speaking.

That gives about a Total Palestinian population in the Middle East of around 6.5M between refugees and Residents of Gaza and West Bank

Of Course, as with everything with the Arab Israeli conflict, numbers vary:
Again from Wiki, take it for what it is worth.

The Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics (PCBS) announced on 20 October 2004 that the number of Palestinians worldwide at the end of 2003 was 9.6 million, an increase of 800,000 since 2001.[98]


Country or region Population
West Bank and Gaza Strip 3,760,000[92]
Jordan 2,700,000[2]
Israel 1,318,000[93]
Chile 450,000-500,000[94][95]
Syria 434,896[96]
Lebanon 405,425[96]
Saudi Arabia 327,000[93]
The Americas 225,000[97]
Egypt 44,200[97]
Kuwait (approx) 40,000[93]
Other Gulf states 159,000[93]
Other Arab states 153,000[93]
Other countries 308,000[93]
TOTAL 10,574,521

The actual number is probably somewhere in the middle, 6-8M worldwide.

reply to post by pavil


No worries. I think the stuff i say is wrong sometimes. But sometimes it's not about getting answers but rather just raising and thinking about the questions.

I think there is two sides to a story, and there is always room for error on both sides.

Even though we have different opinions and thoughts on the middle-eastern topic, I would like to thank you for actually being nice about it. It's quite refreshing.