NASA STS-114 UFO Footage - Can it be debunked?

Has anybody obtained their own copy of the time-tagged video of this sequence?

Has anybody with opinions about this case, here, actually done a-ny-thing recently to contribute research results to understanding it better?

There were some useful graphical representations posted a few weeks ago, contributing to understanding perceptual limitations in space -- useful stuff.

Lots of proclamations of certainties, and posing as experts with imaginary friends inside the space business, and imaginative speculations that are a GOOD first step, but only if followed up by proposed methods of actually evaluating the ideas...

Otherwise, we get nowhere closer... which might be what some folks actually desire.

This really is frustrating.

reply to post by JimOberg


Hey Jim.

This thread may have died, but in the process Martyn Stubbs has released some new video footage containing anomalies, from numerous missions. It is posted on his channel.

Have you been to Stubbs` YouTube channel?

There is a propensity of anomalous occurrences in the videos he has posted - many of which cannot be explained in a manner you would consider to be prosaic.

If you U2U him and ask, he might link you to his site.

Cheers!

[edit on 15-4-2009 by Exuberant1]

Earlier in the thread we debated the issue of whether the shuttle UFO images were in visible or UV. I've finally obtained the detailed technical specs of the shuttle external cameras and the window transmissivity and posted them here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I was actually wondering if you ever had a UFO encounter or had an encounter with an alien.
I am doing a documentary about UFO's and Aliens and I need to interview someone that has had an encounter.
So if you have or know anyone please contact me at [personal information removed]

Thank you!

[edit on 27-4-2009 by 12m8keall2c]

My sister and I have both seen objects move almost exactly like the ones in the video. We saw it at dusk and they had a green glow with a orange tint. There were three, one vanished and the other two moved about a little before leaving.

Watching that gave me chills as it brought back the memories of seeing those lights. No idea what could move like that. Great find

History Channel's UFO Hunters took a look at this footage.

If someone else has already posted this then my appolgies, this thread is getting huge.

A fact in dispute earlier was whether thruster plumes should be visible or not. This is the quotation I referred to, tghat I've now tracked down:

From astronaut Joe Allen's book, 'Entering Space'

photo caption on copyright page:
"The author photographs the split-second burst of light that accompanies an ignition of the OMS engines."

p. 194:

"It is night when the burn begins. The astronauts, whose seats face forward, cannot see the bright, momentary tongue of exhaust that shoots from the OMS engine."

Jim O elaborates:

When burning steady, these plumes are invisible. But they still create exhaust fields that can entrain and push nearby floating debris, which are visible as they turn directions in their motion.

Originally posted by AlienMike
History Channel's UFO Hunters took a look at this footage.

If someone else has already posted this then my appolgies, this thread is getting huge.

This is a topic for a new thread. In my assessment, Jack Kasher is a very foolish man when it comes to UFOs, and his attempts at a scientific exposition of the STS-48 video are distressingly erroneous. I can provide details.

reply to post by franspeakfree


yeah i have a plausable explanation, its an satellite in orbit around earth, STS-114 is filiming into space and the earth is out of frame to the right, the satellite or whatever lit up by the sun flies by and continues in its elliptical orbit around the earth to the right, there the "turn".

Here's links to the FOIA'ed data I've received regarding when there were thruster firings during the period of the object's motion and direction reversal.

I hope this original resdearch is helpful in the understanding of the nature of this video.

Original FOIA Request
www.quickfilepost.com...

NASA Reply Cover Letter
www.quickfilepost.com...

RCS Thruster Firing History 1
www.quickfilepost.com...

RCS Thruster Firing History 2
www.quickfilepost.com...

Angle Drift Over Time (Autopilot Errors)
www.quickfilepost.com...

why, yes they are actually here studing and observing and monitoring everything 24/7 I sit and wait for most of you to wake up!

reply to post by JimOberg


If any of those FOIA reqs. actually corroborated your hypothesis, you would have posted excerpts....


Nice try Jimbo.

Soooo..I was reading through this and found it very interesting. Quite amazing that this footage is actually real NASA video. Figured a little revisit to this topic wouldn't hurt anyone, and those that missed this thread can have a look...

It seams in 67 pages nobody came to any conlusion as to what this was. This UFO in my mind 100% shows signs of intelligently controlled craft outside our own planet. If you do not think so please try and explain what could have caused this...? I tried to find an answer but it has eluded me in this long thread..

Originally posted by Smell The Roses
Soooo..I was reading through this and found it very interesting. Quite amazing that this footage is actually real NASA video. Figured a little revisit to this topic wouldn't hurt anyone, and those that missed this thread can have a look...

It seams in 67 pages nobody came to any conlusion as to what this was. This UFO in my mind 100% shows signs of intelligently controlled craft outside our own planet. If you do not think so please try and explain what could have caused this...? I tried to find an answer but it has eluded me in this long thread..

Wow what a blast from the past, yes indeed this one has never been proven either way. IMHO - There are hundreds if not thousands of alien craft all around space.

I always say wouldn't it be ironic to discover that whilst we are down here talking about whether or not they exist, there is an inter planetary war above us taking place without any of us realising.

We can talk parallax and ice crystals all day but these videos do show objects in space defying laws

Yeah I was curious to see what the debunkers had to say about this now. Wondering if there is any new speculations as to what this was.

If there is not, is it safe to say that we know there are intelligently controlled craft out there besides our own? I mean this is official NASA footage...?

Sooo....lets here some theories?

Originally posted by Smell The Roses
If there is not, is it safe to say that we know there are intelligently controlled craft out there besides our own?

No, it's not safe to say something like that, because the intelligently controlled craft theory is just one of the several theories that were proposed as an explanation for this event, and as none of theories can be considered a clear winner over the other theories we are at the same point we were at the beginning.

Could it be that something solid has been ejected has been ejected from the Shuttle itself, in the same direction of travel. Perhaps a mini controllable "satellite" experiment, that would make the speed thing irrelevant surely, just like a jet slinging a missile, only more so because of in space. At the second, second in the video there is a perceptible movement of the camera, or rather the view, that could be accounted for by something being ejected. There is other stuff also going on at the lower left, with at least three points of light moving across from left to right very slowly. You have to scroll the video to see it, and also what I thought were stars at very low left cross into the Earth's horizon, so there is "debris" around too, plus a broken flash coming down the screen at 1.08.

[edit on 6-3-2010 by smurfy]

Originally posted by smurfy
Could it be that something solid has been ejected has been ejected from the Shuttle itself, in the same direction of travel. Perhaps a mini controllable "satellite" experiment, that would make the speed thing irrelevant surely, just like a jet slinging a missile, only more so because of in space. At the second, second

in the video there is a perceptible movement of the camera, or rather the view, that could be accounted for by something being ejected. There is other stuff also going on at the lower left, with at least three points of light moving across from left to right very slowly. You have to scroll the video to see it, and also what I thought were stars at very low left cross into the Earth's horizon, so there is "debris" around too, plus a broken flash coming down the screen at 1.08.

[edit on 6-3-2010 by smurfy]

No your theory was debunked. That is not a possible solution. Something like you are describing would not slow down and then speed up. It defies the laws of physics.

Originally posted by Smell The Roses

Originally posted by smurfy

No your theory was debunked. That is not a possible solution. Something like you are describing would not slow down and then speed up. It defies the laws of physics.

G'day Smell The Roses

If you work carefully through the large amount of info posted in this most interesting thread, you will see info that describes how such an object moving in a straight line can be interpreted by the moving observer as appearing to move in an anomalous manner.

The info doesn't prove this specific object is actually moving in a straight line, but it shows how it's possible for such an object to be doing so.

This area of 3D movement in space is extremely complex.

I promise you it's extremely interesting & worth a read

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

reply to post by Smell The Roses
I do not see it as slowing down, it goes further ahead and turns, and in any case, if it can turn it can slow down, and since in turning to some degree or other back on its path, it could be seen to speed up. The other thing is, that if what I said has already been "debunked" then the idea was already someone elses. The Shuttle uses burns to both slow down or adjust orbit, when this is done it is very noticeable, or even violent inside the Shuttle. As for firing something from the Shuttle, (as opposed to being released) and under control or otherwise, I think it is a plausible experiment.
Edit to add, in the video there is Earth's horizon as reference to some degree. If the bright object was only seen in blank space, once it had passed by and became a point of light and just kept going straight ahead, eventually no movement at all woud be detected, although if self lit the light would still be visible, if not it would eventually fade.

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