From Captive To Suicide Bomber

reply to post by kerontehe


I tend to believe those who claim 'medieval torture' methods as opposed to those that deny them simply because those doing the denying have been proven to be liars in the past.

Oh and as to your definition of torture:

Torture, according to the United Nations Convention Against Torture, is:
“ any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him, or a third person, information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity.

I believe waterboarding falls quite neatly into the above category, as do all other the other 'enhanced interrogation techniques' used on the prisoners.

If the detention was legal, why have none of the prisoners been charged with anything, and why are they releasing them?

[edit on 24/2/2009 by Kryties]

reply to post by Kryties


The UNCAT is no more a specific definition, it just moves the focus from torture to trying to define severe.

Once again it nigh impossible to make a determination when we can not define the terms in contention.

To most of us very act of detention would cause severe physical and/or mental pain. Any questioning is intended to pressure to produce a response.

The only way to avoid these convoluted debates is to either take no prisoners or everyone agree on details that we can't even agree on in one country much less several with a long history on animosity.

These prisoners face no tribunal anymore, they have no rights what so ever.
1% out of all those prisoners are actually terrorists. The US army only captures about 30% and the rest are left to the militias. There was one incident where the militias were firing rockets at the US bases and handing over innocent people.

Those techniques that are used break down the person after a certain period of time(unless of course you are mentally stronger). All waterboarding does is it allows the person to give confessions which could be fabricated in order to get out the torture.

Most of these men enter as innocent by-standers and come out with an urge to seek vengeance for the wrong done to them. If I was in their shoes I would do the exact same thing.

Latest news, shouldn't be any surprise:

CIA Destroyed 92 Videotapes of Interrogations, U.S. Filing Says 02 Mar 2009 The Central Intelligence Agency destroyed 92 videotapes of interrogations of suspected terrorists, government lawyers said in a letter to the U.S. judge overseeing a fight over the records.

Interrogations?... more like setting future time bombs.

No more record/evidence of any wrong doings on our part, now we can put all the blame on those who seek revenge after being released.

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Cheney: Execute Terrorists If Cuba Prison Must Close

Monday, June 1, 2009

Former Vice President Dick Cheney said Monday that the only alternative to holding some suspected terrorists indefinitely would be to execute them, arguing against the Obama administration's plans to close the Guantanamo detainee prison.

"If you're going to be engaged in a world conflict such as we are, such as the global war on terrorism, if you don't have a place where you can hold these people, your only other option is to kill them," Mr. Cheney said.

"And we don't operate that way."

No we don't operate that way, we operate with the intent to create future terrorists out of 'suspected terrorists' (innocent detainees). Interesting to note how Cheney skips this fact and spins the surface story 180 in favor of making himself look concerned about our safety/security.

Pentagon won’t name 60 percent of detainees it says returned to terrorism

June 10, 2009

According to an analysis by a New Jersey law professor, the Pentagon’s recent survey alleging that one in seven Guantanamo Bay prisoners return to terrorism is deeply flawed.

His analysis also reveals the Pentagon has refused to identify 60 percent of the men they claim have returned to terrorism, saying the information is classified.

hmmm clever, keep us in the dark... so there is less evidence to question false flag attacks?