These are exciting times to be alive, just like the Sixties

Fear is natural reaction, not emotion.
Fear is the expression of a system falling apart.

In human beings fear can easily be invoked or induced by a thinking process, if you want to call indoctrination or ignorance a thinking process.

In other words, fear is also a result of a certain projection which anticipates breakdown of a system (any life support system).

Most people cannot control and recognize this kind of projection (information) coming from the outside (media propaganda), or from their own minds, because of confusion and lack of knowledge.

To have a successful society you need to organize it in many necessary modes. If a breakdown of USA really occurs to such degree, people will tend to organize in as big as possible communities, not in small communities which cannot take care of themselves.

The most probable scenario is division of the USA into individual states, that would probably end there.

Creation of even bigger unit like NAU is, in my opinion, a totally misleading idea. Creating bigger entity than the one that is already crumbling because of its size is really out of question.

This is the main difference between 60s and now. The economic situation is much worse now, political situation has not changed much as an attitude, but political power is suffering from bad economy by all means.

When federation tries to build up its muscles, it's a sure sign that it is weakening.

reply to post by Blaine91555

Star for you mister. Amazing to find so many experts on the 60s that weren't even there.

I was released from active duty by 68...fortunate enough to clean-up by the mid 70's...received my PTSD diagnosis in the mid 80's...Hep C diagnosis in the mid 90's.

The contention that today's corporate elite are the 'hippies' of that by-gone era is nonsense, most are like myself...many not as fortunate.

Saw Hendrix perform in 69...by the following day...I could barely remember it

reply to post by Blaine91555


Yup, there was a glorification of the sixty. As Blaine pointed out, those days weren't roses and peaches. Check out Born on the 4th of July. That brought back some bad memories.

reply to post by Tgautier13


There will be communities of people. It is what the Military calls the BUBBA effect.

I hope you some of you have guns and lots of ammo, your going to need it to protect yourselves.

People are going to leave the urban environments in flocks. They are going to form gangs roaming the country in search of food.

I've lived in the city and in the country. Not all city people are nasty but there are a lot of city people that are. You could almost call it two different worlds. They have been raised to not trust.

I'm just saying it is always better to be prepared for the worst and hope it doesn't happen.

I hope you make it too.

I stumbled upon a great idea in the last thread I visited. Boycott Commerce and Defense for one month. Two for severity.

If it collapses the system, so be it. Remind all would be power vacuum grabbers who is in charge. The MOB.

If it doesn't, all the better, still, remind those in positions of authority who is in charge. The MOB.

Quit buying anything, foreign or domestic you don't need and which isn't localized. Will it put people out of work? Yes. That is the entire point.

Do not allow Credit to exist, except between Citizen's.

Do not support any Wars, Conflicts, or Actions of the Armed Forces, no matter how benevolent or needed. Not even Civil Projects. Encourage your loved ones serving to just STOP.

For one month. Two for severity. Live in the style of the pre Industrial Age. It is Industry that has led us astray. And Banks can be blamed, but, they derive their power from Industry.

Cripple Industry Globally, make it decrepit and weak.

Then, when the time is up, return to business as usual.

When a Criminal Orginization is badly mismanaged, the evil cohorts who suffer from loss of profit and power will deal with the incompetant leaders who got them there. Then, they will fill the power vacuum with those who will ensure against such future incompetance.

Sure, all classes and races, etc. suffer. But while it appears that those who have less to lose suffer more, this is untrue. Having less they are accustomed to such things. those in the middle can manage, the rich will experience the middle, and the wealthy will only be rich, and the Super Wealthy will only be wealthy. This is, of course, temporary. The great part is that, the lower and lower middle classes outnumber all other classes, therefore don't need the approval of the higher classes whose own self interests created the problem.

The Government will straighten itself out and return to being fair and balanced, because they will learn, not from threats, but through experience, that the MOB didn't have to stop the Boycott. That without the working class to support the structure, regardless of your form of government, you have no structure.

Think it will lead to anarchy and lawlessness, think again. The system will reset and be more mindful to balance self interest with survival interests.

It will ensure Civil Liberty and Political Liberty to all, that is freedom of movement of the individual within the system and freedom of politics from outside influences. Everyone will learn why they are their brother's keeper.

You can't punish everyone. And there are too many to keep locked up the ones you do.

An overthrow of tyranny without firing a single bullet, by attacking the mind of the problem at it's heart.

A Coomon Sense Party of the People.

Add to that the physical ability to enforce the Commerce and Defense Boycott's, and for all their talking and scheming, none will be able to stop it. The affects will be financially so bad, all Countries would have to reset their Debt to Zero and begin anew, with reality in mind as they restructure the Rule of Law to reflect the most powerful branch of all Governments and Criminal Organizations, the MOB, that is, We the People, Citizen's of the Earth.

Think that will leave us weak to the enemy? Not if they can't afford it either. What do they gain but control of a people who will make them broke and shoot at them from behind every blade of grass if they do, or, if no gun, stab, club, axe, chop, slice, hack, whatever, their way to freedom from the reigns of abusive wealth and power.

The people would become policemen of their Governments, not, the other way around. From the US, to China, to Iran, to Russia, to all Countries, Nation's, and Continent's. It would spread like a seed propogating in the wind. And the harvest, democracy will prevail over the republic, the monarchy, the oligarchy, capitalism, socialism, monarchy, hereditary, group control, dictatorship, plutocracy, and all other form of rule. Individualism will even trump nationalism.

How long can you last without anything but localized necessities, which you will cap and not allow anyone to prosper from the boycott, undermining it's purpose? How long could you last? A month? Two? Surely, it is a small task to not commit a single act of violence, except to fend off those who would make you stop your civil protest?

If you allowed those who rent into your home so as to make them able to stop paying rent for a month or two, what message could you send to property holders? How many in your community, legal or not, can you take in for a month or two, just to show Government you are more humane to your fellow stranger than they. What humanity would you show against all their attacks on it from sterilization to abortion to all the 'cides and atrocities commited in one power grab or other they pander as National Security, etc.

One month. Two for Severity. How much is that asking of you? How taxing on you is it really?

For all your words and all your deeds and all your views. How much would be changed after that one month or two expired? Is one month enough to bankrupt anyone? The loss of one month's rent? One month's purchases. Sure, some would fall, but, you simply demand they are credited to stay afloat as a grant. Bailing out those who deserve it, those who one month loss of profit's would bankrupt and close. Compensating none other, leaving them great or small to suffer the loss. Would you be willing to suffer a loss for one month? Two. If the loss allows you to have a good healthy business environment in which to compete in vs the red tape and favoritism and taxation and payoffs you have to submit to today just to stay afloat. Are you so certain small business would not profit far more than they stand to lose from that loss? How much would the Governed stand to profit vs. if they did not?

Wow. 148 posts and counting...

Groooovy.

Look at all the seniors in here... Respect...

A few comments as I am a bit tired...

I wanted to compare the Sixties to current times but it seems the direction is to what we as a society can really do when a worse case scenario unfolds...

Naturally times are different. We have come of age. The Sixties seem so far away these days, I really there is no way those days can and will return.

If anything if we could catch just a tiny piece of spirit of that era, a tiny sense of community we will be allright. To those who "mistrust" their fellow man I must remark, that fear is unjust and instilled upon you from a very early age.

If you ever experienced an "incident" while in the presence of strangers you will know exactly what I am talking about. Maybe witnessing some form of accident. Perfect strangers stopping and together trying to help.

That sort of feeling.

I do not really know the outcome of an attempt to a "Neo-Agro Revolution".. Who can? I will tell you this: we all are wise, we all have our skills. Even if we have to transition to a truly free and kind society by passing through a "stone age" we will prevail. I truly believe in myself, the sense of community and the true nature of mankind...

That is not to say you can walk all over me and take my fruit without permission though... Force will be met by force, but kindness and support will be unconditional.

Hey, you can start today you know... Why wait for possible chaos?

To those who think I am calling for a violent revolution, you must have read some of my posts in other threads. I say here and now that is not the way.

A few highlights for those skeptics and doubters:

* You don´t need acres to grow your own food
No. A small patch of land or even flowre pots are enough to start growing tomatoes, lettuce, cabbage, carrots, etc. Things that require more room are grain, melon, onions, potatoes. If you have room why not start today?

* You do not need to be an electrical engineer to generate your own electricity. There are tons of free DIY solutions floating around on the net on how to generate, store and use power generated by wind & sun. Why not download and print these plans today?

* You do not need to be a mechanical engineer to convert your car or van from traditional gas to hybrid or even fully HHO. You can have your car converted to run on hydrogen. Check it out and see where the nearest conversion station in your area is. Alternatively you can make your own Diesel from bio-waste. Now this is a bit tricky as it requires some chemicals.

* You do not need a well near you for fresh water, all you need is a large plastic drum to catch the rainwater and some chlorine or hydrogen peroxide to clean out the pollution and bugs. It is really easy, check around.

* You do not need acres of land to keep animals. Some terrain would be nice though. You know a healthy chicken can lay two or even three eggs a day? How much does a chicken cost (answer: around 20 bucks over here). We now have eggs, protein... dude.

If you have the option and possibility to move to a more rural area I would do that. I am fortunate enough to be in a more or less rural area, and I have some decent earth back of the house to grow things.

Is it so strange to advise people to start growing and building?

What if there really is a plan to starve the majority of us all? Just think about it, to me it is just common sense. You simply cannot rely on your regular outlets for food, water, electricity & gas when a crisis should occur. Use common sense please.

These are exciting times because people are getting excited. I am getting excited, and not in a sexual way I might add. I am excited about the Venus Project because I think a society where everyone can be fed and educated and be healthy without the use of money is possible. Just my opinion. From the Neo-Agro Era we could quickly rise into the Venus Era into a future which we always dreamt of. At least I have when reading those SF-books as a child.

So, I remind you again that growing your own food and keeping small animals will be endangered by the Codex Alimentarius via the WHO by the end of THIS year. This is another strong indication that the gloomers may be right about the tool the elite are going to use to get rid of a whole lotta people. They will starve us, plain and simple. It will all be over within weeks.

Unless we are prepared. So do what you can today, do not wait until a Force Majeur switches off the DNS servers under martial law or whatever. Do not wait until the stocks hit rock bottom. Do not wait until even you find yourself on the street all of a sudden without resources.

Today, Hoy.

I must admit I did something unexpected this morning. I took out my Visa, Mastercard and the Cirrus ATM card from my local bank and cut them in half. Just like that. Not quiet sure why, I did have my coffee and wasn´t in a bad mood. Just did it. *snip*snip*. I have no more debt anyway with anybody anyway.

She gave me the look... But she is on board. I know I am right.

Tomorrow I am getting the last of the cash out of the bank. Not sure why either, just something I wanted to do for a while. Just use cash for a while and see if I miss the plastic. Will probably get used to it. Cash in Cash out.

The sun is getting warmer now.

Will plant my things soon.

These are the most exciting times in the history of the world; We are at a crossroads between total tyranny & liberation from enslavement!

[edit on 22-2-2009 by Time=Now]

reply to post by PhyberDragon


Great post, thank you.

Let´s relieve our government of the responsibility to govern us. Careful though... I prefer passive resistance. If you are singled out you will be met by deadly federal force... There are many things you can start doing without being noticed.

See previous.

What is going on right now is exciting and scary all at once...it is also patriotic and Constitutional. The states have the rights to succede from the Union (Federal)government. We, the People, have the right to dissolve this current sitting government and start all over again.
The young person who started this post might enjoy reading "The Fourth Turn". It tells about unheavals, revolutions, etc that happen, almost like clockwork every 40 and 80 years. (Do the math-this year is the 80th since 1929 and the 40th since 1969.) So the timing is right.
Having lived through that period, though I wasn't a flower/drug child, it WAS exhilarating as a whole generation was expressing itself in so many ways. So were positive (like the Civil Rights movement and stopping that god-awful war called Viet Nam) some was terrifying as civil unrest broke out in many cities after the assassination of MLK and "burn baby burn" was heard throughout the land. There were radicals (Malcolm X) and as someone else mentioned, unlike today's mediocre music - oh the music of the time was just awesome and reflected the times so beautifully.
To all young people with an itch for rebellion, I say scratch it in a peaceful positive way. There's more than enough work to go around for everyone.

I agree 100%. But let´s not forget that not all were as lazy as you say... Irony is that those anti-establishment groups went to college and became lawyers and doctors and business executives anyway, just like their parents.

Ironic. No, current times are not the same, I predict the change will be much more profound.

No. Ironic is that those educated hippies were too stoned to see the Fed buying Perpetual Rights to everything so they could collapse the World Economy, strip us of cash based on real stuff, and trade it for imaginary credits. Hell, the whole thing wreaks of Hippy logic. Those hippies didn't like Capitalism, so, they sold us out for Communism. Think "communities."

Lazy? No. Those hippies have been very industrious. they became the Man to destroy the Man.
US 0 Russia 1

[edit on 22-2-2009 by PhyberDragon]

You know, like, I'm legit sorry but...
Most of you guys got to live a fairly secure life with the education and careers and houses and stuff... if you wanted to be a doctor, you could be a doctor. If you wanted a car, you worked and bought a car.
I can't... do that... almost none of my generation can.
It's not ... it's not right.

[edit on 2/22/2009 by ravenshadow13]

Originally posted by ravenshadow13
You know, like, I'm legit sorry but...
Most of you guys got to live a fairly secure life with the education and careers and houses and stuff... if you wanted to be a doctor, you could be a doctor. If you wanted a car, you worked and bought a car.
I can't... do that... almost none of my generation can.
It's not ... it's not right.

My friend you are right, it is not fair... But it is a sign of the times.

But please try and see all of this in perspective. All those things you now idolize and consider to be secure will be revised.

What´s more secure than being truly independent? You can still have your luxeries and grow and be free.

The consumer society based on debt is not going to last. It cannot. Look at the current dollar float.. Research the M3 indicator...

You will come to the same conclusion and stop wanting what others tell you you should want to be "successful" in life. You are young and full of energy to create whatever you want. Create your own ideals & be proud of your independence. You ARE the man!

If we are to imagine such a crisis that communities will be necessary for survival.... Then I would imagine, given the state that the world is currently in, which is nothing like the sixties then any people such as the OP that would use love and understanding as the foundation for that community will most assuredly not last very long without adapting to a more dominant bubba like community. Allthough I don't think the majority of communities that spring up will be ruthless scavengers bent on killing and stealing, there will be the type of people that will, imagine a group like the MS-13 in such a time, they would be like wild monkeys. I would suggest to join a bubba community as they will be the most level headed and protected. But ofcourse you should still keep your hope and love and all that fluffy stuff, but be realistic people.

And for the love of god, don't encourage or hope for this kind of cotastraphy, imagine how many innocent people would die for your giddy little dream. And btw, the flower children might just be the nail in the coffin that sends us over the edge as they are the ones that are in office pushing for a more govt controlled society. They may not be the ones that got us into this mess but their naivety is very dangerous, imo.

Errrrr...Peace!

[edit on 22-2-2009 by Sheeper]

reply to post by gottago


He said exciting, not invigorating. This example shows just how language is at times deficient in explaining reality with accuracy. For one, it relies on enumeration, which is a metaphysically false, albeit modally sufficient, concept in itself. Then again, these deficiencies present numerous (I know, eh) opportunities to eliminate communicative discrepancies. However, even this comes out as a form of conflict, which is usually expressed in emotional or mental anguish. Then again, such a quality is useful. It is capable of the converse as well. So it's a self correcting cycle. Then it gets me thinking, if I said this randomly in the middle of real, verbal dialogue I would probably be laughed at. But since a lot of our communication is limited online, I get the chance to elaborate (this "phenomenon" happens when reading books as well) without being inefficient... And I'm talking to myself.

OP: You forgot to mention anthropogenic climate change, unless that is you don't believe such a thing is occurring.

[edit on 22-2-2009 by cognoscente]

I really just want to get my education, a job, and a house.
That's really all my generation wants. You guys got it, we want it, we can't imagine life without it.

Rockets, moon shots
Spend it on the have nots
Money, we make it
Before we see it you take it
Oh, make you wanna holler
The way they do my life
Make me wanna holler
The way they do my life
This ain't livin',
This ain't livin'
No, no baby, this ain't livin'
No, no, no
Inflation no chance
To increase finance
Bills pile up sky high
Send that boy off to die
Make me wanna holler
The way they do my life
Make me wanna holler
The way they do my life
Dah, dah, dah
Dah, dah, dah
Hang ups, let downs
Bad breaks, set backs
Natural fact is
I can't pay my taxes
Oh, make me wanna holler
And throw up both my hands
Yea, it makes me wanna holler
And throw up both my hands
Crime is increasing
Trigger happy policing
Panic is spreading
God know where we're heading
Oh, make me wanna holler
They don't understand
Dah, dah, dah
Dah, dah, dah
Dah, dah, dah
Mother, mother
Everybody thinks we're wrong
Who are they to judge us
Simply cause we wear
our hair long

reply to post by Realtruth
Disagree.

I was approached to be a "manager" for a department in a large corporation and declined because I don't agree with how this corporation "manages" it's "pions".

Some of us did sell our souls, having to survive in this cut throat prision planet will make one do strange things, particularly to give our children food, clothing and a safe place to live.

But, I as a "ex hippie" put my money where my mouth is. I didn't sell out completely.

the big sell outs were all the kids that came from the Reagan and up era.

Talk about cut throats, talk about selfish.

No, I don't have a SUV. Why? I can afford one. My husband makes 90,000 and I make 47,000 a year. We have one ten year old Saturn.

What type of vehicle do you drive?

We share a Saturn because like in Europe many people share cars. It's not like here in America where every single person has their own car.

I care deeply and love our sweet Mother Earth.

I donate 2 hours a month at a recycle center as well as a animal shelter.

How many "free hours" do you donate not expecting to get a "return".

The kids from the 80's and 90's are the most cold hearted, vicious and Reganomics fanaticals I have ever encountered. I should know I work with them.

I'm smart, I can compete with the best of them because if I couldn't I'de be out the door at my age.

Selfish? No, we were the generation that brought about woman being able to enjoy sex just like the men.

We were the generation that demonstrated in the streets that Blacks are as every bit as good as whites.

I faced a line of "swat police" with sheilds when I demonstrated against the Vietnam War in DC. I was scared but I stood my ground. Keep in mind these guys had big guns. I didn't .

Have you face a line of police with shields?

I've put my money where my mouth is and challenge you anyday to do the same.

We were the generation that learned to think for ourselves and not accept "Pleasanville" Standards.

The "kids" now are compliant sheep compared to us.

We were the catalyst of change and I am proud to have been a part of this generation.

The attitude the flavor was different, people were still basically kind to each other. Not in the phony "Have a super day" they are today but generally kinder.

Challenge for you all: Everyone just perform one random act of kindness per day. This means you do something secretly with no hope of getting a "pay back". Something for a stranger nice.

If we all did this one act of kindness per day imagine what a happier place this would be.

The problem was that people stopped taking their freedom and liberty seriously and safeguarding it.

We were the generation that instead of hotrodding became interested in politics and religion.

I read books still on politics, attend rallies and see how people voting party prejudice and with apathy have led us.

Our generation did not accept "authority" we thought for ourselves.



[edit on 22-2-2009 by ofhumandescent]

Originally posted by gottago

This crisis is an opportunity, I agree. That opportunity is to re-establish the founding principles of our society, and to overthrow the financial kleptocracy. That is far more possible, and more beneficial to America, than this madness. They are on the ropes, as well. It is a moment of weakness for them and for oppressive gov't as well, and allows real possibility for reform and rebirth. This is the only way to see a brighter future for ourselves and future generations--a great re-awakening.

gottago, I was following the first few pages and getting all ready to jump on you until I read this passage. I agree completely - with both you and long term the OP. A utopian society is a great ideal and most likely the best spiritual path but short term yours is the best "ideal" to help us get there. Go beyond the fear and see that this is all happening for a reason.

To those youth who only desire an education, car and house, start looking for that education yourself. All those MBA's and financial analyst experts that created the mess we're in over the past 10-20 or more years were "educated". The upper middle class that allowed it all to happen were all "educated". Look how much true value those educations have now. Just how much did anyone really know or understand ? Study what is going on, and study it well. You'll be the generation that has to take the next step, and hopefully it will be in a new direction. Follow the dreams of the original founding fathers and apply the technology you now have at your disposal to those dreams. Realize there is much more to life than you've EVER been told and accept NOTHING as truth at face value. And if anyone ever claims to know everything there is to know on a subject or have a definitive view just nod politely and smile knowing that the greatest teachers that ever walked this earth were the first to admit they didn't know anything. What's happening in the world now is meant to happen, and for good reason.

Well, I can tell you are all very negative people. You know how long people have been Talking about the End of the World... It seems you want the end of the world. The Earth is still an amazing place just being you have been manipulated by mass media. Life is the same as it always been for thousand of years, we eat, #, #, sleep. All governments do there bull#. There is nothing different about these times then what people went through during 1910-1930 Same # just always different because everything is always changing. What happens when it hits 2012 and no end of the world?
Hmm, just think that a meteoroid is going to hit or aliens?!!? To even been discussing this topic means we have such a high level of living standards means what ever bull# we can talk about we are the problem and might as well go do anything you can possible dream of because your time is short and we are just a moment in time giving the chance to feel the 5 senses. The finical crash is just nonsense, we are of course going to see decline, everything has a maximum point then a decline. We are just on the downward slope and don't know what to do because we eliminated all of the "free" thinking. Now, we don't come together and have the same goals we hate each other instead of love. That makes us a better consumer... the better consumer the better the business. Therefore, there are so many humans and now that we can communicate we have so many differences and because of this we try to come up with that there is something wrong... nothing is wrong everything is perfectly balanced.... If you don't find your balance you are wasting your pure existence of life. All the tools that we have today make us have more advantages than most humans that ever walked this Earth. If you wanna fly... learn to fly, if wanna live in a hippy comune you can do that, if you wanna have a suburban life, go for it. Farm life you can have that too.. wait you can do anything you could ever dream... are we not in heaven? Is it not a just a state of mind? You limit yourself with your own impurities. Your senses are playing tricks on your supreme mental powers. Follow your pure happiness, understand that the struggle is the best part of life. Appreciate ALL life. It is really only a blink of an eye for the universe..

I can see how these times are exciting in that the bankers will be exposed for the first time in history, but SO MANY WILL DIE. Hardly any of the population is self sufficent, people will be starving and murder will rampant on an unimaginable scale. Race specific bio weapons will be unleashed (national dna databank) and who knows what other bio weapons. SO MANY WILL DIE. But it is inevitable and necesarry for the population (the small number that survive) to live free. Hope your armed while planting your tamatos and cabbages or you will be killed for them.

[edit on 23-2-2009 by insignificanthuman]