Are some of the people on ATS any different to the power elite they despise,just without the power

Little Red Riding Hood -- Why do you flaunt so boldly your self-described higher consciousness over what you obviously consider the masses of slugs in the lower vibrational plane, people like me?

reply to post by Salt of the Earth

Higher Consciousness is not 'mine.' It merely Exists, and I am Aware of it, having had innumerable experience of it (spontaneous and meditational generated: I don't use substances, thanks). Also, I'm a vegetarian, which helps me.

This is not flaunting. It's referential to a known paradigm of consciousness.
If you feel like it puts you down, so be it. When I said maybe you weren't smart enough, please note the word: "maybe." Each decide for themself. Not admitting to soemthing that one hasn't directly experienced as possible or even 'real,' is well known to be foolish, and an ignorant state to maintain.

Slugs? I didn't say that: you called your fellow-man slugs, not me! Good one. I said they were greedy, and I have at times said many are animalistic. You wish to debate that? It's stupid, I think. Meditate on that: to help you, I'll relate a quick story as example:

)"I have been working for a little ol' lady who's house got broke into (neighbors, probably): they went into the back yard, threw some chemicals in her dogs face, kicked her door in, and robbed what they could (she was gone). The dog went blind, and she was gonna put him down tomorrow because his legs just gave out on him. Damn, that's sad, and that's just a dog! Crazy world, eh, A.?" (Private email I made 2-20-09

Here's a picture of human consciousness, called the Pyramid of Consciousness. It is a rough diagram, but illustrates the evolutional nature of consciousness in humanity:

There are Three generally recognized States of consciousness: Unconscious ~ Conscious ~ Supraconscious, or differently called:
Unaware ~ Self-Aware ~ Aware-of-One-Self (Capstone state).

What is that Capstone doing on a bed of air, unattached to the lower section of the pyramid (as seen on a usa dollar bill, etc.)? It's called The Brilliance, an Energy Field, aspectual of Alpha & Omega Energies, or The Clear Light: It's a Barrier Shield, keeping the Impure Out. It is also known as #13.

You can experience higher consciousness: just enable it by your Intent of it. Don't be shocked, it can happen to anyone, anywhere, anytime. I sort of laugh when skeptics suddenly have a NDE, and then suddenly start believing in 'strange experiences,' or 'energy encounters.' Can you relate? No, never checked into it? There you go.

And as far as not liking how the world is, and the state of mankind's current mass mentality of greed, cruelty and indifference, is this also something that needs to be explained to you? Other's affliate with my 'kind' of consciousness of the situation: ever hear of ATS? Check it out sometime.

Hardly flaunting: it's what many people desire to do on many forums: the call to 'wake up' to Higher Awareness. A bit haughty sounding? Most hate their teachers, until, or unless, they perceive the good they intend. Not all intend good, but many care to show what they know. Sorry, I'm aggressive towards the cowards that allowed this world to get like it is: indifferent cowardice, or stupidity. Check Einsteins quote on such. Read the thread title.

[edit on 22-2-2009 by SS,Naga]

I came here for other reasons than I've stayed.
I've met some good folks here, and some bad ones. Both help me, both teach me. Makes it worthwhile.
Some of it scares me at times, not just the content, but the people who post in 'em.
But, there are good people here, I think some of 'em will make a difference.
I've had a lot of good conversations myself, and read many more that show the intelligence of the people who were arguing a point... and see them joke with each other and probably would hang out in real life.
I think that makes this place pretty cool. Sure, there are plenty of trolls, but they just make the times where people just work together on this forum even better.

reply to post by SS,Naga


Thank you so much for your comments and views.

I knew I would find hope with my thread, as well as at times despair.

It is important that the threads and post that have hate , anger and lack understanding and compassion,, do not dominate the site.

Else we become what we came here to expose.

I will look for posts.

reply to post by Kandinsky


Thank you for you positive comments on my thread.

I am not going to leave ATS,,, althoug I have to admit,, sometimes I couldnt bring my lelf to debate at times with some of the members, because I failed myself to understand them.

I just wanted toknow if I was alone in my thought,,,, and if so,,, I was then at fault maybe,, or if others felt that way too.

reply to post by Merriman Weir

Thank you for commenting and your views.

In relation to the term "media whore",,, I did understand the term and the context I knew the difference and what it was said in relation to.

My point was,,,, why did the person who wrote that need to say, think or write it. They were looking at her life, and passing comment on her faults her mistakes etc,,, and believe me I am no fan of hers.

The difference between me, and those who commented harshly on her,,, was I saw only a dying young woman, with 2 children,, and my compassion for her, and the sadness I feel for her,,, outweighed my opinions of her life,,, which melt away into nothing in the bigger picture.


Those that made harsh comments,, saw the celeb, media reality star, who yes made alot of mistakes.

They didnt have the ability to see,,, the simple fact she was a dying woman.

Many said " my mum, uncle ,,, etc etc etc died of cancer, why should we be sorry for her??

Well my mum died of ovarian cancer,,, and I watched her die,,, and I believe everyone of us deserves kindness, love, and compassion in our final days......... including those of us that make mistakes.

The thread was a mistake,,and probably done out of an emotional response to the story,,,, but it opened a can of worms, that made many who posted comments,, just look ugly.

reply to post by branty

thank you for you comments.

It is not the topics that bother me,, believe me,, and I could have quoted many many comments from numerous sections I had read by people who had written themthat shocked me.

I am no lightweight in life trust me.

I wanted to see if others felt the same way.

reply to post by berenike


Thank you ,, your comments were great to read, and basing them on your own experices too.

Originally posted by patsy22


So my question is...... are some of the people posting on here,,, really no different in their values and words to the leaders of the institutions, and goverments, they so despise,,,,,, except redundant of the power,,,, are some of the people here capable of issuing orders to kill masses of people based on their religious and cultural belief,,,, ?

But I ask you ATS.... based on some of the posts.... are we really that different to all that we despise in power today?

well we are a minority,

not all of ats thinks that way, most do not

and most of the people who post hate posts have some sort of social complex in which they believe they must hate for some insecurity with themselves

some do it purely on intellectual opinion

i find there are very few who aspire to power here,

more for me i guess.

Originally posted by patsy22
reply to post by Merriman Weir

 

Thank you for commenting and your views.

In relation to the term "media whore",,, I did understand the term and the context I knew the difference and what it was said in relation to.

If you did understand the term, then you either misrepresented the person you were quoting or you were taking the word out of context. No one called her a "whore", there's a very big difference.

Many said " my mum, uncle ,,, etc etc etc died of cancer, why should we be sorry for her??

Well my mum died of ovarian cancer,,, and I watched her die,,, and I believe everyone of us deserves kindness, love, and compassion in our final days......... including those of us that make mistakes.

I was one of those people who said " my mum, uncle ,,, etc etc etc" as I grew-up in my grandfather's house and I (literally) watched him die. People on that thread had empathy, given that most appeared to have personal experience of cancer, but empathy and sympathy don't necessarily go hand-in-hand.

The general consensus amongst the detractors wasn't that people were glad she was dying at all. Cancer leaves a very sad wake. However, compassion is one thing but the idea of some dubious celebrity (who is first and foremost treat as a 'freakshow' rather than with genuine affection by the masses) being platformed in this way is another thing entirely.

The thread was a mistake,,and probably done out of an emotional response to the story,,,, but it opened a can of worms, that made many who posted comments,, just look ugly.

What you and a few others on that thread didn't appear to understand is that some of the initial comments could also be considered 'ugly' and 'insensitive' - in fact, a few people genuinely took offence over what some thought an inappropriate use of the phrase. However, I've a feeling that you won't appreciate that point of view. You alone appear to be the arbiter of what's ugly and offensive.

Anyone can join ATS but by it's very nature, those joining or viewing the site will have a certain set of interest(s). If I wanted to discuss 14th century basket weaving, I'm sure there's a site somewhere for that.

If we as individuals didn't have a differing views, ATS would be rather dull! Part and parcel of this, is that some viewpoints will be aberrant to some of us. That is simply part of life.

Why are you under the impression that people in this sort of forum don't have exactly the same type of people as the "elite?"

It could also be that people on this site, and in general, even when they believe that they are individuated thinkers in reality have already absorbed the memes. That coming to a site like this just proves out how much they already invested in memes in their own psychology. People might not be "more awake" they may just be crucilbles of obvious competing meme formats.

reply to post by Merriman Weir



Thank you for your comments.
I am not sure how I misrepresented the persons quote,,, as I believe,, and please re read my initial post,,, I used the term in the context... "media whore", as it was written.

Infact the only post that detaches it just to "whore" - is your own.

Why people felt they had the right to comment and discuss her, in what is infact her time... to do as she wants... a dying womans right... is beyond me.
I agree with you,, she shouldnt have been platformed on that thread,, and I note you still manage to use words such as "dubious celebrity" and "freakshow"

Would any of us want a relative or friend,,, perhaps myself as Mum lay dying,,, would we want to read and hear people talking about them that way.

How cold and hearltess would each person look.

My reference to her,,, is as a human being,,,a woman called Jade,,, who is dying. I choose to give her that respect,,, and have no desire to rip her apart. Do you?

I understood the thread,,, and using the word " humantarian cause" in it left it open to the ridicle by cruel detractors.

And your final statement - that I am the arbitrater of what was ugly and offensive........ baffles me.


I feel my friend,,, as I read your comments,,, and those on the Goody thread..... you are perhaps validating .. my intial views.

Originally posted by SS,Naga
reply to post by patsy22

 

ATS is a microcosm, of course, representing a World society within the World society.

One thing I also noticed about ATS: the largest part of the membership are pure scum; bigoted, self-centered, almost animal in their views and outlooks -- just like in the 'real world' or larger World microcosm.

This is not evolutional development toward the Ether awareness (etherical), which is the higher level of Self-Awareness, but continuation of what has driven Earth to it's "knees." Greed is the best word to explain this, releasing self-centeredness, as opposed to the Higher understanding that might be embraced, through increased evolutional development of Awareness of One Self: we are One Within.

As such, you are needed. Why? Because nobody (very few) is paying attention on ATS: they do on some other sites, but here, higher development is abused mercilessly, and those expressing/talking about it, flamed endlessly.

However, think about this: It has a high readership, and since people are not stupid (greedy, yes), there are many who will empathize with you, though few will step forward. I had your same thoughts, but since the new policies of greater decency in posting responses have been raised, I stayed.

Chance for you and me (and others who are evolving) to say something, perhaps to count.

Hope to see you around the boards.



[edit on 21-2-2009 by SS,Naga]

Pure scum? Soo presumptuous. Someone in your position should know the dangers of breeding self-hatred.

This is my first world wide discussions forum that i joined a few years ago.
With my first posts i was actualy shocked from the types of reactions i got and this made me think about the dynamics behind a forum like this.

No i find it a real challenge and interesting to debate with people of all sorts from all around the world.
It is very hard not to get offended by what people post sometimes but i see more and more that all these views are needed to test new ideas and see if they still stand afterwards.

I like most of the given feedback on most subjects on this forum, pro and con.
Where else can you test so many different ideas and points of view with so many different people.

How boring would the secret societies forum be if there would not be any free masons participating.
It is just great to see all points of view of a conspiracy theory, without it i could tend to believe to much of all that tripe

Originally posted by patsy22
I am not sure how I misrepresented the persons quote,,, as I believe,, and please re read my initial post,,, I used the term in the context... "media whore", as it was written.

Infact the only post that detaches it just to "whore" - is your own.

Actually, you are wrong. In your original post you used the word whore seperately.

Originally posted by patsy22
In one thoughtless thread,, a poster described a dying 27 year old woman,, as a "media whore" because she was from a reality show. A dying woman a whore.... were of were did that come from.

(emphasis mine)


In response to your original question. Debate and challenge of our ideas is an essential part of life. If you never have your values challenged you can never get the chance to reaffirm that they are right, or find out that they are wrong.

Originally posted by patsy22
reply to post by Merriman Weir

 

Thank you for your comments.
I am not sure how I misrepresented the persons quote,,, as I believe,, and please re read my initial post,,, I used the term in the context... "media whore", as it was written.

Infact the only post that detaches it just to "whore" - is your own.

No offence, but reread your first post in this thread you do exactly that, and I actually quote it in my first post in this thread.

You say:

A dying woman a whore.... were of were did that come from.

Please don't insinuate that I'm either a liar or a fantasist.

I note you still manage to use words such as "dubious celebrity" and "freakshow"

Is the revisionism starting already? Look, I don't wish cancer on Goody and her death will be a sad thing given she's leaving behind children. However, it is true that Goody's career is built around "dubious celebrity" in that she's a 'reality TV contestant' with no discernible talent as such and her fame is based around schadenfreude; it is a 'freakshow' whether you like it or not. Goody has always been a gawk-fest, the epitome of car-crash TV. She came into the public's attention in the way that people rubber-neck at car crashes and she's leaving the very same way. You and the other poster on the previous thread are genuinely fooling yourselves if they think that Goody's fame/notoriety has any real foundation in public adoration or affection.

Would any of us want a relative or friend,,, perhaps myself as Mum lay dying,,, would we want to read and hear people talking about them that way. How cold and hearltess would each person look.

The big difference is, my grandfather and your mother wouldn't be paraded in and out of every tabloid in soft-focused mawkish scrutiny as she was dying. People would have no reason to talk about your mother as they wouldn't know who she was and have no opinions of her at all. Whereas Goody? - divisive in life and divisive in death.

My reference to her,,, is as a human being,,,a woman called Jade,,, who is dying. I choose to give her that respect,,, and have no desire to rip her apart. Do you?

Funnily enough, I don't. I don't generally talk or think about her at all. The only time she really creeps on to my radar is when people start with some weird Queen of Hearts/Chavs hysteria a la Princess Diana.

Unfortunately Jade can't have it both ways. She can't really expect to be treated as Text"a woman called Jade" as, if that was the case - just another late twenties woman - you nor I would have ever heard of her in the first place; this discussion wouldn't be happening. She's not dying like everyone else, she's choosing to die in the public's eye. Normal people don't really do that if they honestly want dignity.

I understood the thread,,, and using the word " humantarian cause" in it left it open to the ridicle by cruel detractors. And your final statement - that I am the arbitrater of what was ugly and offensive........ baffles me.

I'm not sure why it should. Basically you've been stating what is 'ugly and offensive' - the things you've disagreed with - but you've not previously acknowledged the fact that the platforming of Goody as a 'humanitarian cause' was equally 'ugly and offensive' to other people. That's what caused much of the detraction in the first place. You seem to be the one with the monopoly in deciding what is the right thing to be offended by.

I feel my friend,,, as I read your comments,,, and those on the Goody thread..... you are perhaps validating .. my intial views.

What, because I disagree with you?

reply to post by AngelInterceptor


Thank you for your comments.

You know,, I always apologse when Im wrong,, and I did use the word alone in context.

Your points are valid and taken on board.

Originally posted by SS,Naga

Dogma = dog-man.

dogma 1541, from L. dogma "philosophical tenet," from Gk. dogma (gen. dogmatos) "opinion, tenet," lit. "that which one thinks is true," from dokein "to seem good, think" (see decent). Treated in 17c.-18c. as Gk., with pl. dogmata.

www.etymonline.com...

So "dogma" = "dog-man" eh? I wonder what Engo Swann has to say about people who attempt to distort the meaning of words???

The Biggest problem with ATS are the immature and childish moderators,

Or should that be;

LITTLE HITLERS.