Hip-hop indeed comes from Freemasonic practices

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
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So that "brothers" may know each other "in the dark as well as the light."

Nice try, throwing quotes back at us, but by what twist of logic do you suppose wearing something TO BE SEEN helps them be identified in the dark?

Originally posted by JoshNorton

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
reply to post by JoshNorton

 

So that "brothers" may know each other "in the dark as well as the light."

Nice try, throwing quotes back at us, but by what twist of logic do you suppose wearing something TO BE SEEN helps them be identified in the dark?

Exactly, vcwxvwligen the context in which you used that quote doesn't even make since, Masonically. That's where most of of these anti-masons get it "twisted." You have no understanding of the quote you've just used, yet you think you do. It made me laugh when I first saw it. If you are in darkness, you cannot see, unless you have on night vision goggles.

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If you were such an expert, then you would know that the word "darkness" is used symbolically.

I mostly agree that Hip-Hop comes from Masonic practices.

A lot of Hip-Hop slang is from the Nation of Gods and Earths, the Nation of Islam, Moorish Science Temple, Rastafari, Nuwaubu, etc. and many members of these groups are Masons whether "clandestine" or "regular".

All of the following are/were Masons:

Shariff Drew Ali
Sayyid Fard Muhammad
Sheikh Elijah Muhammad
(Notice the Arabic Sufi/Masonic titles there)
Marcus Garvey
Malcolm X - El Hajj Malik Shabazz
Haile Selassie
Malachi Z. York



You'll often hear in Hip-Hop phrases like "Respect the Architect".

G originally meant God in Hip-Hop, not "gangster"(although there is a thread here on gang's relations to Masonry, and also Manly P. Hall and J.S.M. Ward wrote on Triads origins in Chinese Masonry). That's why Gods and Earths will greet each other and say "Peace, God". It points to the esoteric teaching that Man him/herself is the Grand Architect of the Universe, the Arm Leg Leg Arm Head. Al Salaam Alaikum, Allah. This is also taught in every other Esoteric Tradition, especially seen in the Dzogchen or Ati Yoga(the pinnacle Tantra-Yoga Vehicle of Bonpo, Buddhism, and Hinduism) teachings that have become more publicly available and their instructions for Self-Liberation during the death process.

Generative makes sense too-along with Geometry, Gnosis, God(dess), Grand Architect of the Universe-as Sexual Tantric Rites(especially within Anu Yoga) have always been heavily relied upon in almost all Gnostic Cults and 'Mystery Schools' the world over. Afterall, the physical Arm Leg Leg Arm Head is Generated through Sex(for examples on Masonic Sex Rites see the writings of Hargrave Jennings, Samael Aun Weor, Krumm-Heller, Carl Kellner, Theodor Reuss, etc.)



Anyway....

Link


Peace,

Do the Knowledge to the website of Jamel Shabazz. He has CLASSIC pictures in there. A great offering of pictures of the Gods and Earths also. Those in the know will recognize that the above stances are two classic God stance. The God on the left standing 'on Square' with his arms right over left (yes this preceeded the B-Boy stance) and the God on the right pointing to the brain or center of intellect. If you look at some old pictures and see these stances you may be suprised to see 'who is God'.

Peace

Some Hip-Hop artists who are Masons:


Afrika Bambaataa
X-Clan
Stetsasonic
Lords of the Underground
Kool G. Rap
Gangstarr
Mos Def
Nas
Vinnie Paz
The Lost Children of Babylon
Randam Luck
Gravediggaz
Many various Wu-Tang Clan members and Wu-Fam affiliates


...just to name a few off the top.

I'm willing to bet that Canibus, Eminem, and Jay-Z are too.





To Masonic Light

I actually have a Masonic pamphlet which says that Abraham Lincoln was a Entered Apprentice although never became a Master Mason. One of Abraham Lincoln's' advisors was a Rosicrucian Occultist by the name of Paschal Beverley Randolph.




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Eminem? Are you sure? With assandballs in his face? Maybe David Carradine too?

Originally posted by Tamahu
You'll often hear in Hip-Hop phrases like "Respect the Architect".

What songs?

Originally posted by Tamahu
and also Manly P. Hall and J.S.M. Ward wrote on Triads origins in Chinese Masonry.

Sources?

Guru - Respect The Architect





"Do the knowledge to the Master Builder blowin' a spliff/the New Millennium Hiram Abiff":


Gangstarr Ft. NYG'z & H. Staxx - Same Team No Games (HQ)








Hung Society Or the Society of Heaven and Earth - J.S.M. Ward

Eastern Tradition, Part Three

THE SAGES OF CHINA

By Manly P. Hall

The descent of the Adept tradition in China is traced in a discussion of the ancient Chinese masters—Lao-Tse, Confucius, Mencius, and others—who envisioned the perfect human society: the philosophic commonwealth. This work also touches upon early Nestorian Christian influences in China, Taoist alchemy, and Chinese secret societies. Illustrated.

ISBN: 0-89314-531-9 $9.95 Paperback 113pp

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Leo Zagami, who was a DJ himself, talks about how the Hip-Hop culture was already infiltrated from the beginning in the mid-80's by the secret services and in particular by Prince Hall Freemasonry. (From 4:10 onwards).

Infiltration of Hip Hop music

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I saw those pictures of the Prince Hall Masonic lodge in North Carolina. They didn't have any turntables.

Besides, I thought all that mystical hip hop stuff was about a secret kill whitey type revolution.

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Actually, no, hip-hop was never about that. The whole "kill whitey" thing is militant black nationalism, not hip-hop. That comes partially from Marxist rhetoric.

Hes onto something...

They are both carbon based life forms
they both breathe O2
they both use poetry
they both use the english alphabet
they both drive cars
they both eat meat
the word knucklehead comes from the words knuckles and head. in some freemasonic rituals hands are held above the head
Ol' Dirty Bastard got his name from an Old dirty man without a father who was a freemason
cooking crack is symbolic of the unholy trinity, the coc aine, the baking soda, and the water.
bustin my nine is a reference to 11, as 10 is only one number over 9 but 11 would break or 'bust' it. the number 11 is only associated with freemasons, thats why in elementary school the multiplication tables only go up to 10.
The name 'Biggie Smalls' is obviously a reference to solomons temple.
almost all early hiphop was produced with a roland 808 kickdrum. 808 - 142 = 666, the rap group mobb deep is from the 41st side of queens, they have 1 platinum record, and together they appear on 100 tracks (808-100-41-1=666)
Everlast refers to himself as "white devil"
Jammaster J's murder has gone unsolved because the freemasons did it.
The group slayer, who are all known freemasons, appear on several rap tracks.
Cypress Hill tells their listeners to "spark another owl", an owl appears on the dollar bill.
When you play rap albums backwrds, none of them have backmasking refering to the freemasons. This is because its a cover up.
Eminem speaks out against the perpetrators of 911, this is also a cover up.


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you have convinced me. I now understand the whole thing. Who would have thunk it? Was it just after 4:20 when you came up with this idea?

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Wow, can't argue with this logic. Case freakin closed .

WOW at all the ignorance and stupidity in the original post. WOW. I have listened to hip hop music my whole life (all of it isnt stupid and ignorant) and I grew up around pretty much all blacks in oakland. Hip Hop music was originally created by black people who wanted to make music but they couldnt afford instruments and stuff so what they did was spin other peoples records and rap over the drum parts (obviously its evolved much farther than that now, but thats how it started in the bronx), nothing in hip hop has ANYTHING to do with masonry.

Do you people who say this stuff actually listen to hip hop music? Or do you just occasionally hear it in passing and you got all this info from some stupid video on youtube?

I also think what this boils down to is its another way for people to hate hip hop music lol. I seriously think thats what this pretty much boils down too.

It amazes me how people can see conspiracies in ANYTHING. Like seriously man, most these things you named are just a part of HOW BLACK PEOPLE ACT, and part of their culture (atleast american blacks), it has NOTHING to do with freemasonry.

When black people talk about "gods and earths" they are referring to men and women, god is man and earth is women, I'm not sure but I believe this comes from the nation of islam or "the nation of gods and earths" otherwise known as the 5 percenters (I believe 5 percenters are kind of a break away group from nation of islam, although I believe the nation of islam condemns them). This was all started in the 60s, and sure maybe some of this comes from old occult things, but the average black man that uses these words and talks about this stuff is refering to islam or the nation of the gods and earths. It has nothing to do with masons or anything.

I can go on and on debunking these things you said.

Black people also have rules and a kind of code of conduct amongst amongst themselves, this is where the whole no snitching thing comes from, because they don't want cops... etc around them. When black people call eachother "g" it means "god" or "gangster"... NOTHING TO DO WITH MASONRY. Some of the terminology is the same but I seriously doudt the masons "infiltrated" the black community just to get them to use there terminology lol. I go on and on and on debunking this stuff.

I'm a white guy but I even use a lot of these words and terms because most my friends are black and its rubbed off on me, and I'm not a mason lol.

"coming off the dome" means to rap and make lyrics up as you go along, NOTHING TO DO WITH MASONRY. I'm getting tired of doing this, but I'll go on a little more...

And most these terms that you named are just simply SLANG, thats it. It has nothing to do with secret societies or anything. For one example, when black people say "snake" they are referring to a EVIL PERSON, when a rapper says someone is "biting" it means another rapper is stealing lyrics from them. I can go on and on telling you the meaning of all the things you listed, but I won't. ALL OF THIS IS SIMPLY SLANG, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FREEMASONS OR SECRET SOCIETIES OR ANYTHING.

Believe me, most my friends are black and I've been around them my ENTIRE LIFE. This is just how they act and talk, it has NOTHING to do with secret societies or anything lol.

And another thing, sure there might be some rappers or blacks who are masons (I even know some black masons, but I don't think any rappers are masons, atleast no known rappers) but that doesnt mean hip hop or black slang or ANY of this came from freemasonry.

Also if you listen to most hip hop artists (atleast "political" rappers) they talk about freemasonry and stuff actually a lot in their music and most them appear to be EXTREMELY ANTI FREEMASONRY.

And to that guy that posted a list of hip hop artists that are masons, NONE OF THOSE GUYS ARE MASONS, sorry to say. Especially people like vinnie paz, lol what the hell? Vinnie Paz from jedi mind tricks? Do you listen to his music? He HATES Masons and speaks against them a lot. I have no problem with masons, and have them in my family, but I still listen to this kind of hip hop music and most these rappers don't like masons and its evident from their music.

Thank you.


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Originally posted by Tamahu

Guru - Respect The Architect





"Do the knowledge to the Master Builder blowin' a spliff/the New Millennium Hiram Abiff":


Gangstarr Ft. NYG'z & H. Staxx - Same Team No Games (HQ)








Hung Society Or the Society of Heaven and Earth - J.S.M. Ward

Eastern Tradition, Part Three

THE SAGES OF CHINA

By Manly P. Hall

The descent of the Adept tradition in China is traced in a discussion of the ancient Chinese masters—Lao-Tse, Confucius, Mencius, and others—who envisioned the perfect human society: the philosophic commonwealth. This work also touches upon early Nestorian Christian influences in China, Taoist alchemy, and Chinese secret societies. Illustrated.

ISBN: 0-89314-531-9 $9.95 Paperback 113pp

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In respect the architect (classic hip hop song by the way) they are referrign to themselves. They are the "architects" of the music. I also believe they are referring to hip hops originators from the 70s as they were the "architects" of hip hop culture and the music.

Oh and another thing... in the 90s architect was sometimes used on the east coast to refer to a dj or a the guy makes the beat the rappers rap over (the producer basically).

But whatever you guys can disagree with me, most you appear to know nothing about hip hop, and I've listened to it my whole life... So who really knows about it? I think i do.

And by the way, a lot of these rappers you guys have named are EXTREMELY well read guys and they just happen to some times talk about this type of stuff in their music (for example, a rapper might occasionally have a rhyme referring to something masonic, like that line you pointed out, but if you really look at it the rhyme is completely irrelevant to the song and it appears he just wrote that rhyme cause it sounded cool also I don't think masons encourage smoking pot, which is what a spill is lol, he simply wrote that line cause it sounded cool).

And another thing... in hip hop music a lot of rappers use METAPHORS A LOT... a lot of people misinterpret these metaphors as being references to all kind of things, when in reality usually it has nothing to do with that.

Hell the quote in my signature is from a hip hop song (its a song about aliens, ancient astronauts, and ancient religion)... I bet you guys can connect that to masons too. lmao.



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This is one stupid thread.

I wish we could do one-liners but we can't, so I'll add that yes some hip-hop quotes Freemasons or Illuminati it doesn't mean they are part of them. Many hip-hop artists have studied the history of such practices. However the first post in this thread is way off and I'm not sure if the guy is joking or not.

edit: What you should be looking for are Islamic ties to hip-hop. Although not of a threat they are interesting. Jedi Mind Tricks quote Islam a lot.

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Originally posted by Nventual
This is one stupid thread.

I wish we could do one-liners but we can't, so I'll add that yes some hip-hop quotes Freemasons or Illuminati it doesn't mean they are part of them. Many hip-hop artists have studied the history of such practices. However the first post in this thread is way off and I'm not sure if the guy is joking or not.

Yeah I seriously think that might be a joke or just a troll post to get responses from hip hop fans and/or masons and to just generally make people angry.

But yeah thats what I just said in my other post a lot of rappers are actually really well read (not the rappers you see all over tv and stuff though, they are idiots and make garbage music, independent hip hop is the only good stuff in this day and age) and know about all this type of stuff, and just cause they might occasionally mention something in their music doesnt mean they are masons or anything.

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blah blah blah. Thats jay z and his record labels "roc" symbol (a rock is slang for a diamond, and his record label is also called Roc-A-Fella), its a diamond simple as that. How is this any different then when rock singers say put your lighters in the air... all jay z is doing is making people do his logo...

There are other rappers like wu tang and stuff who make people do "W"s with thier hands, is that somehow masonic too? lol give me a break. A lot of people think rza from wu tangs a mason too, he isnt.

Jay Z is NOT a mason, as far as I know. If he was most likely the masons would PUBLICLY acknowledge hes a mason, considering they are PROUD of their famous members.

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Hell, in Australia, our largest homegrown Hip-Hop group occasionally reference the Illuminati and conspiracies. I couldn't quote any lines off the top of my head but I know they are there.

This is from Jedi Mind Tricks (USA) - Death Messiah

Did protons and electrons bejade the earth
or did Allah meditate and create his birth
is everyday in this place a curse
or should I pray on my knees and embrace this dirt

I guess what I'm trying to say is, hip-hop artists are a lot more intelligent than many people would like to think. I find Jedi Mind Tricks interesting because of how they rap about Islam, even though I'm white and don't belong to a religion.

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