White people avoid race topics

reply to post by Red Black Green


Good grief, I normally like a challenge, but do I have to go over everyone's post and list every point you failed to address?

I don't think you addressed my points adequately. I asked you to be as responsible for your white ancestors as you want other people to be for theirs, but you didn't say specifically that you would be prepared to do that.

I know history isn't everyone's favourite subject, but you ignored my point that up until a few centuries ago some of your ancestors were living side by side with mine in Europe. So we share a common history before slavery.

You didn't answer my point that you are more likely to be accurately described as Afro-European American than Afro American. It doesn't occur to you that I may be offended and disappointed that you don't accept me as a sibling.

You're too busy telling me that 'my kind' rejected you.

Are you a disinfo agent? I hope so. Why? Because, call me a racist, but I don't think a black person would behave the way you have. I'd credit them with being able to make a better argument over this.

Originally posted by Red Black Green

And once again let me break it down for you since you lack comprehension skills as I tire of repeating the FACTS. Your arrogance disgusts me and is pathetic because you and your people's refusal to understand the POINT. #1 Racism was created BY white people FOR white people,

racism • noun 1 the belief that there are characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to each race. 2 discrimination against or antagonism towards other races.

www.askoxford.com...

You are OBVIOUSLY a hyper-enlightened being who is TOTALLY DEVOID of "arrogance"

I can't possibly imagine why anyone has any difficulty in understanding your well thought out logic because it is so utterly infused with sublime TRUTH.

I'm sure ALL would agree that you have contributed vastly to the intellectual collective consciousness of humanity just from your offerings here.

Am I incorrect in my ascertainment that you don't like certain humans because they happen to lack the particular amount of melanin that meets your impeccable high standards???

'To live anywhere in the world today and be against equality because of race or color is like living in Alaska and being against snow."~~~William Faulkner

reply to post by Red Black Green

I ride for ALL peoples of color. And yes we all do evil things to one another of our own race, this is true and I can readily admit that, but we should be allowed to govern our own not the other way around because whites just haven't been that trustworthy over the years. Murder and mayhem is embedded. They play divide and conquer very well i.e. COLONIZATION/IMPERIALISM and have been using it against people of color since day one when they got tired of killing themselves and then sit back and say oh look at what those people do......smh

Dear red,
The true test will be how will/would you govern?

Would you govern with an unforgiving heart, or would you bring the old issues with you?

Could you be a fair master?

Or one out for revenge?

On a people whos only "sin" was to be someone's ancestor.




[edit on 022828p://bMonday2009 by Stormdancer777]

Originally posted by ~Lucidity

Originally posted by Red Black Green

Wrong. Really wrong. But see, of course, all the bad things in the world only happened to YOU (oh wait...not you actually...someone probably 10-12 generations ago!).

Umm sir, the ACTIONS of the past directly affect the future generations is my point. If you've been SET-UP to fail, you will most likely fail. I mean what don't you get?

Hey, let me ask you this point blank out of sheer curiosity. Are you even OF African descent? What country/region/area/tribe? Ever been back there to visit?

Yes I am, my lineage traces back to Ghana and Cameroon both of whom fought for their independence from the British, French and Potuguese. And I also have a small percentage of Asian blood running in me as well as they too are also people of color and in ancient times they revered most ancient Africans.

No i haven't been back as of yet but have been planning a trip with family for awhile now just trying to link everyone's schedule together to go together....anything else?

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by Red Black Green

 

Dear red,
The true test will be how will/would you govern?

Would you govern with an unforgiving heart, or would you bring the old issues with you?

Could you be a fair master?

Or one out for revenge?

On a people whos only "sin" was to be someone's ancestor.




[edit on 022828p://bMonday2009 by Stormdancer777]

True indeed. And i would honestly answer yes because if I were actually in "revenge" mode there would be a race war going on this very minute. I've been very respectful to those respectful to me. Like I said, i've only been stating FACTS that have yet to be addressed properly by white people as a whole to even begin rehabilitative dialogue. The SYSTEM of white-supremacy is the root of the problem not JUST slavery. I don't get why that's so hard to comprehend.

And just because I choose to bring it to the forefront for discussion I get discredited lol hilarious

reply to post by berenike


how would i ever be responsible for a slave master raping a stolen African? come again? lol

and yes some Africans did live in Europe and they even ruled, they were known as Moors who introduced the ways of Ancient Kemet TO Europe. It was the FALL of the Moors under Queen Isabella when things began to take a darker turn (pun intended).

And i can accept you as a brother in humanity sure. i'm debating with you now as a human being and haven't said anything involving violence against you but i can never fully trust you as a brother and rightfully so.

Like i said, my points are valid. I'm not telling tales of leprechauns and peter pan.

reply to post by Snisha


yes, you would be incorrect. If you read back I consistently say I have no quarrel with "like-minded" individuals. Even if you lack melanin.

The SYSTEM of white-supremacy is the root of the problem not JUST slavery.

It is not as supreme as it once was.

What all debates boil down to for me is,

meh,

lol

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reply to post by Red Black Green

The white man is not only practicing racism and Zionism and with the prostitution ring, the so-called Jew man with the Jew woman all over the world to make a few dollars. He is also practicing sexism. He's a racist, he's a Zionist, a sexist, and imperialist. He's a no good bastard. He's not a devil, the white man is the Devil -- Khalid Abdul Muhammad, Nation Of Islam & New Black Panther Party,

So you would DISAGREE with the quote referenced above?

Originally posted by Red Black Green

lol see what I mean. what's bull about the FACTS that i have stated. don't concentrate on me since you dont like me, but concentrate on the FACTS please enlighten me.....i'll give u a bibliography of the books i've studied for years about this if you like

and what behavior? i'm on a keyboard typing to you just like you are

Please tell us your FACTS. rofl, I love people who stating everything they say as fact, yet in this case its all utter nonsense and personal opinion.

Like the way you say WHITES invented SLAVERY, as fact, like somebody woke up and decided to piss you off for the fact your black.

Three PEOPLE for a FACT pulled you up on this. AND PROVEN YOU WRONG.

i suggest you go lied down, come back fresh and look at how silly you have behaved on this thread.

You also need to ACCEPT THE FACT.
You cant discern, read the facts given to you, and can't accept reality for what it is.

You twist reality to suit your own twisted opinions.

Originally posted by Red Black Green

how would i ever be responsible for a slave master raping a stolen African? come again? lol

B: Yay! Now we're getting somewhere. How would I ever be responsible for that either?


RBG: and yes some Africans did live in Europe and they even ruled, they were known as Moors who introduced the ways of Ancient Kemet TO Europe. It was the FALL of the Moors under Queen Isabella when things began to take a darker turn (pun intended).

B: I know about the Moors and very much admire their architecture.

RBG: And i can accept you as a brother in humanity sure. i'm debating with you now as a human being and haven't said anything involving violence against you but i can never fully trust you as a brother and rightfully so.

B: I didn't accuse you of saying anything involving violence against me. I wouldn't fully trust you either unless I got to know you very well. But I wouldn't start from a position of mistrust. You'd have to do something unworthy in order to lose the trust we started out with.

And debating as human beings is great - because underneath all our differences in outlook and appearance we are all absolutely equal as human beings. You can reject me or accept me, but as human beings we share the same basic needs and desires and have the same basic right to be allowed to pursue the fulfilment of those needs and desires. Shame on anyone, of any colour or creed, who denies us those rights.

RBG: Like i said, my points are valid. I'm not telling tales of leprechauns and peter pan.

B: Leprechauns? Peter Pan? It was kumbaya before. Look, if you want to call me out as an uncultured person, please be clear about it, but I will be mightily offended.

The last person who called me uncultured had to retract pretty darn quickly and say that actually she was talking to her dog.

Originally posted by Red Black Green

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
Wrong. Really wrong. But see, of course, all the bad things in the world only happened to YOU (oh wait...not you actually...someone probably 10-12 generations ago!).

Umm sir, the ACTIONS of the past directly affect the future generations is my point. If you've been SET-UP to fail, you will most likely fail. I mean what don't you get?

Of course. That applies to everyone. In my original reflection I believe I asked (or at least think I alluded to) why it's so very, very different for your "people" than for other people and races of the earth who have been through this kind of horror and, yes, maybe even worse and maybe more recently.

And to this now I'll add...what is it you WANT?

[edit on 23-2-2009 by ~Lucidity]

reply to post by Stormdancer777


true indeed and i can't wait for the day it crumbles under it's evil ashes and gets blown away for infinity.

reply to post by Snisha


i agree with every single solitary word. History has proven it so. No apologies.

[edit on 02/10/08 by karl 12]

Originally posted by universe attracts wisdom

Originally posted by Red Black Green

Please tell us your FACTS. rofl, I love people who stating everything they say as fact, yet in this case its all utter nonsense and personal opinion.

lol you're an utter riot. You too should join the joke tour. You should use Google since you refuse to pick up a book. It'll give you the cliff notes version of what i'm saying and oh yeah most of these are from WHITE/SO-CALLED JEWISH sources. so now, what FACTS? let's see

CHATTLE slavery (i guess you conveniently forget to put the word CHATTLE in front of slavery) is VASTLY different from indentured servitude posing as slavery that you keep on trying to water down. For the umpteenth million time.

After so-called "Reconstruction" treaties weren't honored, blacks were still in lower class positions DUE to the IMPACT of CHATTLE slavery. You do know what that is right? but since you refuse to acknowledge it let me break it down for you sir....

FACT: CHATTEL SLAVERY is closest to the slavery that prevailed in early American history. Chattel slaves are considered their masters’ property — exchanged for things like trucks or money and expected to perform labor and sexual favors. Once of age, their children are expected to do the same. Chattel slavery is typically racially-based;

And oh no you're not alone, the Arab has his day as well because I'm fully aware of their atrocities as well with the Sudanese brothers and sisters. But if i recall this topic specifically said WHITES and their reluctance to speak about race in AMERICA where CHATTLE slavery was practiced and exploited which BUILT the USA. I mean please show me where I've been "debunked" lol

FACT: The founding fathers owned slaves and sold their illegitimate children INTO slavery and created the "Constitution" without black people EVER being counted in it, but has the nerve to say "freedom and justice for all" which pretty much lets you know the mindstate and hypocrisy of these WHITE people who mostly all shared the same views.

FACT: 75% of all so-called jews in America either owned slaves, turned a blind eye to slavery, financed and/or insured the slave ships such as the Holy Mary and the Good ship Jesus to do "God's" work using human cargo for profit.

FACT : After being "free" in America, millions of uneducated slaves had to become citizens. Without education you can't get anything. Without that all you can do is sharecrop. No land to own no quality education and if you did receive an education it was purposely taught that you would never amount to anything because you're black. And oh yeah here's the "Bible" where you tell slaves God is white and everything good is white. not to mention racist staff, teachers, administrators, police, mayors, governers, etc. etc. who made sure to remind you that you don't belong here NOR will we let you live in peace because you're black. Let's also count all the lynchings and murders just because you happened to be outside and were black. That's just a quick summary. There are several more examples.

FACT: The gov't and the FBI participated and orchestrated the demise of ALL civil rights leaders, members, and organizations. MLK, Malcolm X, and so on.

FACT: The CIA purposely dumped drugs into poor black communities to incite rampant crime and genocide and to fund their arms race.

I mean I can go on and on with your people's resume' sir......like i said your history is written in blood.

Now tell me how is that equal footing? Tell me how are these personal opinions? lmao you're hilarious. And you really believe that none of that has had any effect on blacks? sounds like YOU are a true dis-info agent to me..... sounds like you got more studying and reading to do.

I'm through even discussing this with you. The FACTS speak for themselves.

all i got to say about the race issue is look at our schools..they went down hill when the forced intergration was put on us..there is no way you can teach the blacks on the same level as the whites..so you havw to lower the guidelines dow to their level in order to teach the black and whites together...does any one agree with me....

reply to post by Red Black Green


Well, if you truly believe that then you are no better than the racists you so despise, because that statement you agree with is nothing more than hating someone for the colour of their skin.

It is shameful hate-mongering that should not be tolerated from anyone, whether black, white, yellow, brown, red, green, pink, blue or purple.

reply to post by ~Lucidity


Since your so "lucid" let's do a little roleplaying....

Let's say for example I just so happen to black boot kick your door down in the middle of the night. I beat the living spirit out of you and strip everyone naked. I tie you down put you in the trunk but not until I rape you, your wife, your son AND your daughter.

Then how bout I do all this in FRONT of you and send your daughter off to God knows where to work for my cohorts.

Kidnap your wife and let my other cohorts have their way with her however they want and make her birth children JUST to work for me, besides, your not even "human" in my eyes. What do I care.

Then after I make use of your females, I beat down your son as hard as I can and throw him in the trunk with you. Then we take a very loooooooooooooooooooong ride to a strange place unfamiliar to you but while we're riding, you have to urinate and deficate on top of you and your son the whole time and eat NOTHING.

Then when we finally stop I beat you again and again til you take on my name. I make you stop using your native language, I make you learn mine and I make you and your son work from sun up to sun down with no breaks and no pay for maybe, let's just say 500 + years or so, give or take. Then what I do teach you is that only my people are the good people and your people are nothing more than animals who don't deserve fair treatment. I even tell you that the supreme creator is one of us and he said it's my divine right to enslave you and your generations. Therefore making it seem like this is the only life you should live.

All during this time you're "working" I make you breed more like you and beat you whenever I feel like it and if you even thought about escaping I would kill you, chop off your feet, or just torture you for "disobeying".

Then when you do make another family I split them apart and move some to my house and I do with them as I please and although they're still animals I show them a little bit more leeway which in turns breeds envy throughout.

After those 500 or so years, hell who's counting, I then say hey your free to go. BUT the things I promised you for treating you so badly for so long, i LIED about, I was never planning on giving you anything, you're on your own even though it's all stolen to begin with.

Then when you're "free" I let my people keep you in line by never letting you do anything associated with my people and when you try to establish your own we take it from you each and everytime. Then i'll let 100 more years pass by and then say hey okay fine, you can do what we do, we just won't allow you to do it WITH us for whatever reasons we see fit. Want to eat at my restaurant? Yeah right, we don't like you. Want to get a job? yeah right, we don't want you working in the same places you're only good for the field or for serving my people hand and foot. Want to ride our public transportation too? yeah right, get to the back.

Keep in mind this would be the 60's, only 40 years ago my friends, which was yesterday in the annals of time.

Now, after that 500 years of FREE work, thanks for that, I was too lazy to do this for myself, now that everything's built up let me get in the ultimate driver's seat and direct the movie starring me and my people and every chance we get we ridicule or humiliate you through our technology, our movies and music. then let's pump massive amounts of illegal drugs into your community so you can forever be enslaved.

Now tell me this, would you be so quick to "get over" all this so quickly? Would you ever want me as the initiator of violence against you to forget what i've done to you? Would you really say you would trust anything else I say after all of that?

After all, it was just the past right? ha.

reply to post by sonnyt


lol yeah that's the reason.....you people are hilarious