Key Makes Push for Oklahoma Sovereignty

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Updated 02.15.2009 - Oklahoma Representative Charles Key, the author of Oklahoma’s HJR 1003, dubbed the "Tenth Amendment Resolution", calls on the federal government to follow the U.S. Constitution and stop infringing on the rights of the State of Oklahoma.

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If I understand this correctly, (and I may not) the resolution was passed to the Senate today. I hope the Senate votes with a unanimous aye.

I had my doubts but it seems that Oklahoma may have her sovereignty after all. Go Okies.

Do any of my fellow Oklahoman's out there think this will pass?

This is great news! I certainly do hope that it will pass. We’ll just have to watch and see what happens.

Actually, from what I found, it went to the senate on the17th

I do believe that it will pass...

Good news from what is a non-objective news source... just conservatives who wish civil war because a democrat got voted in. When Bush won the controversial election in 2000 some dems shouted state independence as well, and like wise the right reacted by calling them sore losers. Same when Bush lied about the war and acted unconstitutionally in office etc. It goes both ways.

The bill, like all many the others that had being lodged in the past, are what I like to call "frivolous"... just an ideologicial/agenda driven bill that holds no real support or reason, but is often hyped up by the minority who supports it, and some of the underground websites that cater to these minoritie.... which in the OPs case are the rightwing fringe... or neocons.

This civil war buzz is just like the birth certificate buzz, or the IRS buzz.... its hyped up among the rightwing fringe blogs and then slips away for some other wacko proposal to come out. So really, nothings going to happen. I hope for yours and the others sake, just the BC crap that spread, that you dont get too excited, and then find yourself too dissappointed when you realize nothing is going to happen.

Funny I see corsi being one of the individuals calling for this.... oh the irony.

[edit on 20-2-2009 by southern_Guardian]

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Hey buddy, calling the OP a right wing fringe or a neocon is waaaay outside your purvue. Might want to back it off a bit. Quite a bit.

I'm proud to be an Okie and I'm glad to see this going through.

I didn't vote for any of the jokers running in the election so I don't think I can be called a sore loser. I did vote for Bush the first time for which I apologize and repent. I didn't like it when Bush started ignoring the Constitution and I don't like it when Obama does it either.

The constitution is NOT "just a g**da**** piece of paper" and the politicians....ALL of them....need to be reminded that we the people still cherish it. I'm glad to see my state standing up for what's constitutional.

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Hey whitewave, you folks continue to jump over yet another rightwing fringe bill that goes no where, just like the birth certificate one, just like the IRS removal ones, but remember that within the next month or so, another hyped up bill or rumor will take its place, as always.

These bills or rumors always have a personal or ideological agenda behind them, they dont carry any care for america as a nation. I dont blame folks for disagreen on the current policies, although agenda driven stuff like this has no real care for the real issues.

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A flaw in your logic. Just because the birth certificate issue "didn't go anywhere" doesn't mean that it wasn't/isn't a valid issue. It does sugest that people in high places are ignoring the constitution which is what Oklahoma is trying to correct.

In fact, next time I go apply for a job and they want me to fill out that I-9 form that shows I'm a citizen I should just tell them that if the POTUS doesn't have to prove his citizenship or eligibility to work in this country I shouldn't have to either. The laws DO apply equally to all don't they?

There are several states, not just Oklahoma, that are drawing a line in the sand and letting the Feds know that overstepping bounds will no longer be allowed or tolerated. This is a constitutional republic, NOT a democracy.
I hope you understand the difference.

All bill have a personal or ideological agenda behind them, not just the "right wing fringe" ones. And if protecting our constitutionally guaranteed way of life is not the issue then I suggest you have no clue what the issues are.

I hope another "hyped up bill" DOES come out next month and the month after until we get this country turned back around to something that resembles a constitutional republic of the United States of America, not some socialist rehash of every failed socialist regime there's ever been.

Originally posted by whitewave
reply to post by southern_Guardian

 

A flaw in your logic. Just because the birth certificate issue "didn't go anywhere" doesn't mean that it wasn't/isn't a valid issue. It does sugest that people in high places are ignoring the constitution which is what Oklahoma is trying to correct.

In fact, next time I go apply for a job and they want me to fill out that I-9 form that shows I'm a citizen I should just tell them that if the POTUS doesn't have to prove his citizenship or eligibility to work in this country I shouldn't have to either. The laws DO apply equally to all don't they?

There are several states, not just Oklahoma, that are drawing a line in the sand and letting the Feds know that overstepping bounds will no longer be allowed or tolerated. This is a constitutional republic, NOT a democracy.
I hope you understand the difference.

All bill have a personal or ideological agenda behind them, not just the "right wing fringe" ones. And if protecting our constitutionally guaranteed way of life is not the issue then I suggest you have no clue what the issues are.

I hope another "hyped up bill" DOES come out next month and the month after until we get this country turned back around to something that resembles a constitutional republic of the United States of America, not some socialist rehash of every failed socialist regime there's ever been.

Dude, have you seen the sheer number of anti Obama threads.
Care to tell me how many of them have been proven true?
This is over kill - knee jerk stuff -

OK. - voted in BUSH and like it or not BUSH tacked on Trillions in debt - literally the largest amount of gov spending in the history of the world to date.

Now all these RED states want to jump ship because WE have a CLUSTER #$@@$ of amazing proportion. Most of these posturing states made a choice on W and the country HAD 2 suffer through those states choices. I did not vote for BUSH - once again the biggest spender in history - NOT my FAULT - but I did not threaten to stomp out.

All this talk about responsibility and patriotics TERRORISTS lover - UNAMERICANS and NOW its patriotic to DESTROY the union?

What was the $#@$#@$#@$@$ point of the TRILLION dollar war SOLDIERS MOM?
OR the American lives - of AFGANI lives or IRAQI lives?

And this proposal is spurred on by the same folks who call others ANTI AMERICAN

IF you want to END - DESTROY AMERICA how is that patriotic?

How is that not ANTI AMERICAN?

You all need to pull your share and make up for voting an incompetent in.

And if OBAMA is the same then you come and talk to me

BUSH the most spending EVER$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

OKLAHOMA voted for BUSH

= we are broke

[edit on 20-2-2009 by mental modulator]

Originally posted by southern_Guardian
reply to post by whitewave

 

Hey whitewave, you folks continue to jump over yet another rightwing fringe bill that goes no where, just like the birth certificate one, just like the IRS removal ones, but remember that within the next month or so, another hyped up bill or rumor will take its place, as always.

These bills or rumors always have a personal or ideological agenda behind them, they dont carry any care for america as a nation. I dont blame folks for disagreen on the current policies, although agenda driven stuff like this has no real care for the real issues.

These bills and resolutions are doing nothing more than asserting the states' tenth amendment rights. They have nothing to do with the POTUS, but everything to do with the unconstitutional liberties the federal government has been taking in the past few years. Not to mention the fact that they are taking a stand against federal martial law should TSHTF.

The federal government is out of control; these bills are good things.

Originally posted by LiquidLight

Originally posted by southern_Guardian
reply to post by whitewave

 

Hey whitewave, you folks continue to jump over yet another rightwing fringe bill that goes no where, just like the birth certificate one, just like the IRS removal ones, but remember that within the next month or so, another hyped up bill or rumor will take its place, as always.

These bills or rumors always have a personal or ideological agenda behind them, they dont carry any care for america as a nation. I dont blame folks for disagreen on the current policies, although agenda driven stuff like this has no real care for the real issues.

These bills and resolutions are doing nothing more than asserting the states' tenth amendment rights. They have nothing to do with the POTUS, but everything to do with the unconstitutional liberties the federal government has been taking in the past few years. Not to mention the fact that they are taking a stand against federal martial law should TSHTF.

The federal government is out of control; these bills are good things.

And who is deciding if the constitution is in breach?
Can't just about anyone interoperate this in their favor?

I understand the martial law - but leaving the union - RED STATES - the PRO AMERICAN STATES - leaving the union?

The same group of folks who said speaking against a retarded war was TERRORIST LOVING and unpatriotic and UNAMERICAN?

But ENDING the USA is fine? NOW?

Originally posted by whitewave
reply to post by southern_Guardian

 

Just because the birth certificate issue "didn't go anywhere" doesn't mean that it wasn't/isn't a valid issue.

The birth certificate issue went away for exactly that reason. It wasnt a valid issue, accept by the minority conspiracy driven right wing fringe. Thats why the courts didnt take them seriously, thats why the majority of the nation didnt take them seriously.

I could say eating fish is a valid issue because PETA believes in it, but that doesnt necessarily make it so.

It does sugest that people in high places are ignoring the constitution which is what Oklahoma is trying to correct.

Bush has been ignoring the constitution for 7 years, and it is only now that the minority rightwing fringe is up in arms about it. As said before, this doesnt go any further than personal and ideological agendas. And where exactly is this government, barely a month into its administration, unconstitutional. Just out of curiosity.

In fact, next time I go apply for a job and they want me to fill out that I-9 form that shows I'm a citizen I should just tell them that if the POTUS doesn't have to prove his citizenship or eligibility to work in this country I shouldn't have to either.

Yes the man ran for 2 years, had both the McCain and hillary campaigns digging every single thing about his past, having the Bush administration look into this guy, having the Hawaii Republican state government and state health officials confirm his birth on hawaii soil. And all the rightwing fringe has to say is that "they dont believe it".

The laws DO apply equally to all don't they?

You folks never cared about the law this much until a democrat got elected, give me a break. Seriously.

There are several states, not just Oklahoma, that are drawing a line in the sand and letting the Feds know that overstepping bounds will no longer be allowed or tolerated.

There were more over this birth certificate fringe bill, there were just as much regarding the IRS removal, there was threads among the conservative states regarding civil protest if Obama got elected. Hyped up stuff, further hyped by fringe websites, and further pushed by those posting them on here.

Im only concerned with the real issues, the facts, not what some post election bitter individuals want in the name of ideology, not country.

This is a constitutional republic, NOT a democracy.

I know, but like wise majority depends on getting these bills through. During 2003 that little saying of your was non-existent to you folks may I remind you.

By the way what exactly is unconstitutional about an administration barely into a month?

Hyped up bill white wave. Just more rightwing fringe hype.... and it appears your putting too much emotion through this one. Im going to come back to you in 3 months time when some other rumor or bill is being hyped and see where you are.

[edit on 20-2-2009 by southern_Guardian]

Should have thought about the whole constitutional republic thing before we sent off
our troops to die in the name of AMERICA.

Why didn't you just do this before all the debt was racked up?

Now that these states had a very strong voice of theirs lead us here, you guys are gonna ditch?

Like a man walking away from his family.

Originally posted by mental modulator

Originally posted by whitewave


Now all these RED states want to jump ship because WE have a CLUSTER #$@@$ of amazing proportion. Most of these posturing states made a choice on W and the country HAD 2 suffer through those states choices. I did not vote for BUSH - once again the biggest spender in history - NOT my FAULT - but I did not threaten to stomp out. All this talk about responsibility and patriotics TERRORISTS lover - UNAMERICANS and NOW its patriotic to DESTROY the union?

Get a grip dude. This bill is not destroying the union. Did you even read it? It's telling the Feds where their authority ends. Ever heard of a balance of power? Checks and balances? Any of that ringing a bell?( Btw, what is a patriotics terrorist lover?)

What was the $#@$#@$#@$@$ point of the TRILLION dollar war SOLDIERS MOM?
OR the American lives - of AFGANI lives or IRAQI lives?

You know, I'm kinda wondering what the point was myself. Seeing as how there WERE NO WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION! Wasn't that why the American people were told that we needed to get into a protracted war against the evil empire? Terrorists! They have WMD!!!!! NOT. I feel my trillions have been well spent.

And this proposal is spurred on by the same folks who call others ANTI AMERICAN

Sorry, I must have missed the name calling part. Will you be so kind as to point it out? Who on this thread has called anyone else AntiAmerican?

IF you want to END - DESTROY AMERICA how is that patriotic?How is that not ANTI AMERICAN?

Good God, man! What are you on about? How exactly is this bill "destroying America"?

You all need to pull your share and make up for voting an incompetent in.

Which I believe this bill addresses. See, we recognize when we (as a nation) have made a mistake and take steps to rectify it.

OKLAHOMA voted for BUSH= we are broke

The above statement is quite possibly the single most asinine thing I have ever read in my 3 years on this board.



[edit on 20-2-2009 by whitewave]

Originally posted by southern_Guardian

Originally posted by whitewave
reply to post by southern_Guardian

 

Just because the birth certificate issue "didn't go anywhere" doesn't mean that it wasn't/isn't a valid issue. The birth certificate issue went away for exactly that reason. It wasnt a valid issue, accept by the minority conspiracy driven right wing fringe. Thats why the courts didnt take them seriously, thats why the majority of the nation didnt take them seriously.

You must actually believe that. And the day that I start putting any confidence into what the majority of the nation deems "serious" is the day I go back to watching television.

[/quote[I could say eating fish is a valid issue because PETA believes in it, but that doesnt necessarily make it so.

Even so, PETA (or anyone else) has a right to be heard and to have their issues taken seriously. If PETA would be willing to show me EVIDENCE that eating fish is wrong, I'd consider that I might be wrong on the issue. Obama is not willing to follow the rules of the constitution he swore to uphold.

Bush has been ignoring the constitution for 7 years, and it is only now that the minority rightwing fringe is up in arms about it.

Bush was in office 8 years, not 7 and he ignored the constitution for most of that time. Some of us rightwing fringe have been arming up long before he took office, btw.

And where exactly is this government, barely a month into its administration, unconstitutional. Just out of curiosity.

I believe I have already answered that but you don't like the answer so you just revert to name-calling (sign of a really weak argument).


You folks never cared about the law this much until a democrat got elected, give me a break. Seriously.

Did you just say, "you people"? Seriously? Some of us have cared about this law for quite a while. We just haven't been able to get our elected representatives to represent us properly until now.

Im only concerned with the real issues, the facts, not what some post election bitter individuals want in the name of ideology, not country.

I think I'm beginning to understand you now. The so-called "real issue" is that the chosen one, the Messiah has been blasphemed. BURN HER! STONE HER! TYPE IN CAPITAL LETTERS AT HER!!!!!

This is a constitutional republic, NOT a democracy.

I know, but like wise majority depends on getting these bills through. During 2003 that little saying of your was non-existent to you folks may I remind you.

You're reminding me of what I said or thought in 2003? I haven't even been on the board that long! I'm beginning to think I'm not dealing with a rational minded individual. Do you really propose to tell me what I said or thought in 2003? Really????!!!!

and it appears your putting too much emotion through this one.

This from someone who has called me a right wing fringe, a neo-con, a terrorist lover? Wow! Just WOW!

Im going to come back to you in 3 months time when some other rumor or bill is being hyped and see where you are.

Well, thanks for checking up on me, I guess. I can hardly wait for your rational, unbiased, analytical review. See you next quarter.

Originally posted by mental modulator
Should have thought about the whole constitutional republic thing before we sent off our troops to die in the name of AMERICA.

I did. Unfortunately no one in office asked me my opinion on that matter.

Why didn't you just do this before all the debt was racked up?

I guess it didn't get horrifying scary until the bailouts started racking up in the trillions of dollars every 6 months. At least it took Bush 8 years to screw things up to this point. Obama is just jumping right in. Less than 100 days and we're already in debt over $100,000 per SECOND! He's still got 4 YEARS to go!

Now that these states had a very strong voice of theirs lead us here, you guys are gonna ditch? Like a man walking away from his family.

If your family starts trying to kill you, it's time to ditch them. I don't know how you can realistically equate a political figure to the head of a household.

I'm beginning to see how religions go awry and inquisitions/crusades begin. First you appoint a figure and vest him with god-like status. Start out ridiculing and belittling those who don't swoon at the mention of your god's name. Overdramatise the tenets of your "faith" and systematically begin persecuting any who are not "true believers".

Now, if you boys would like to discuss the topic at hand, namely that Oklahoma is pushing to keep its constitutional rights rather than be overrun by the Feds assuming more authority than is granted them, perhaps we could continue the discussion. If not, I bid you adieu. Good luck with your crusade.

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Thanks for the clarification. My concern is whether or not they'll lose their nerve if it's put to them that none of the bailout money will find it's way here if they push this through. For my part, I don't think we should accept a penny of it.

reply to post by southern_Guardian


Where did you get your crystal ball? I'd like to have one.
This resolution came about while Bush was still in office so it has little to do with Obama winning the election. It has everything to do with our state (and, I think, 9 or 10 others) asking the federal govt. to do the job it was assigned. We're asking for the constitution to be upheld.

As much as you would like to make it a partisan issue, it's not.

reply to post by mental modulator


It's not jumping ship. We're not trying to secede from the union. We are merely asking for the constitution to be upheld and for the federal govt. to know it's place. It's simple really.

"You all need to pull your share and make up for voting an incompetent in."

Who says we haven't been? As far as I know, we're all in the same boat.
And it remains to be seen whether Obama is as competent as some think he is.

Originally posted by soldiermom
reply to post by mental modulator

 

It's not jumping ship. We're not trying to secede from the union. We are merely asking for the constitution to be upheld and for the federal govt. to know it's place. It's simple really.

"You all need to pull your share and make up for voting an incompetent in."

Who says we haven't been? As far as I know, we're all in the same boat.
And it remains to be seen whether Obama is as competent as some think he is.

Fair enough... we will see with Obama

And I want to understand in what ways the government is overstepping in OK -

I have a list of my own - sorry if I was harsh...

They haven't overstepped yet. That's what this measure is for. Overstepping would be martial law, gun control, involuntary servitude...things of that nature.

Like I said before, it's been in the works since last summer while Bush was still in office. It has nothing to do with Obama winning the election.

BTW, New Hampshire isn't a red state last I heard and they're leading the pack with a resolution of their own. It really doesn't have anything to do with who is or isn't the POTUS. It has everything to do with wanting to preserve the Constitution.

I forgot to add, apology accepted.



[edit on 2/20/2009 by soldiermom]

[edit on 2/20/2009 by soldiermom]

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Since you think that you are the only one with brains then how do we get out of the mess that we're in?

Either answer with a solution or don't answer at all.