Stop Mocking Obama Supporters

reply to post by northof8


Right out of the play book. Take facts, distort them, and have no care for honesty.

CIA is staying the same. They are actually following the Bush Doctrine!
Change supports - 0 Bush - 1

False.

Gitmo is actually getting worse! Not better but worse!
Change Supporters - 0 Bush - 2

False? He's closing it, last I heard.

Obama is sending another 75 BILLION to Iraq and Afghanistan!
Change Supporters - 0 Bush - 3

Love the trickery there. He is taking troops FROM Iraq, and filtering them TO Afghanistan.

He's always said he was going to do this, only liberals and conservatives who didn't actually keep up with the candidates are caught off guard by this.

Bailing out the Banks? Bush did it and Obama follows!
Change Supporters - 0 Bush - 4

Can't really change something that isn't old. This started just as he was being elected, so it doesn't really fit. Let me put it this way:

It's not a Bush policy that people really cared to have "changed".


That all you got? Not one of those accusations was even true.

[edit on 2/25/2009 by Irish M1ck]

reply to post by Irish M1ck


This thread is a good example of what the GOP has been experiencing now for a couple of years. The opposition to Obama in this thread is composed of half-truths and mockery, but nothing of any real substance. They think that this is sufficient because these are the same things they're being fed by the talking heads for the conservative movement.

Conservatives need to adapt to the changing environment because the same tired tricks just aren't doing it anymore. You've got to put forth some good evidence, not smear or petty speculation.

I do understand now how liberal Obama supporters wouldn't be phased by this tried-and-past-due method of attack. it would be a lot more damaging if any of it held any weight. If obama's policies do fail, then they'll have a point. Until then, I suppose the mockery should be ignored. Thanks for the help everyone!

ARGHHH!! I cant believe it!

Dont you see that beeing for OR against Obama is ecxactly what the elite wants you to be?

DAMM*T they are playing you!

They even managed to play ATSlers with this GAME!!
Unbelievable!!!

You are SHEEP!!

Divide and conquer you FOOLS!!

Originally posted by Irish M1ck
reply to post by northof8

 

Right out of the play book. Take facts, distort them, and have no care for honesty.

CIA is staying the same. They are actually following the Bush Doctrine!
Change supports - 0 Bush - 1

False.

Gitmo is actually getting worse! Not better but worse!
Change Supporters - 0 Bush - 2

False? He's closing it, last I heard.

Obama is sending another 75 BILLION to Iraq and Afghanistan!
Change Supporters - 0 Bush - 3

Love the trickery there. He is taking troops FROM Iraq, and filtering them TO Afghanistan.

He's always said he was going to do this, only liberals and conservatives who didn't actually keep up with the candidates are caught off guard by this.

Bailing out the Banks? Bush did it and Obama follows!
Change Supporters - 0 Bush - 4

Can't really change something that isn't old. This started just as he was being elected, so it doesn't really fit. Let me put it this way:

It's not a Bush policy that people really cared to have "changed".

 

That all you got? Not one of those accusations was even true.

[edit on 2/25/2009 by Irish M1ck]

Obama Policy on CIA

Gtmo worse under Obama

We were supposed to be out of Iraq by now. Or was he just kidding? Wink, Wink to the Obamanation?

He is following Bush in the big Evil Bank Bail out. (Of course you people don't call it that now)

I see no difference in the "Chosen one." You Obama supporters have been had and you can't stand the fact that people will call you on it. Obama is playing you all for fools and you blame some "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy."

Originally posted by The Cyfre
reply to post by Irish M1ck

 

This thread is a good example of what the GOP has been experiencing now for a couple of years. The opposition to Obama in this thread is composed of half-truths and mockery, but nothing of any real substance.

Wait a minute here... If I am not mistaken this thread was started by an Obama supporter was it not?

He or She or whatever invited the Mockery by saying "don't mock me."

The simple fact is that these Obamanation supporters voted for change but we didn't get change did we? The Chosen One is following the Bush Doctrine on everything and changing very little.

With Bush it was what it was. You lefties hated that. Obama is doing the same exact thing but calling it Change and you can't wrap your little liberal minds around that. It is for the same reason you support him now that you voted for him before.

There is this mysterious thing called change. No one can describe it but the Chosen One represents it. It matters not to actually think for yourself. Obama represents some strange cult following and the name of the cult is Change.

The problem is you liberals have no capacity to think and when we call you on it... Or Mock you as you say you throw a childish tantrum.

Enjoy your self pity and I will enjoy calling a spade a spade when I see it.

This idea that Obama is a socialist is really baffling. I mean, the man was a faculty member at the University of Chicago, which is the Mecca of free-market intellectualism. Have you people looked at his economic advisers? Obama is essentially a libertarian-paternalist, and Austan Goolsbee has had a major hand in shaping social policy ideas. These guys are ideologically in favor of small-government, lower taxes, the power of markets; and, they see the potential to use market-based incentives to bring about positive social outcomes. This is what he meant with the "change" slogan -- he's ushering in new ideas that hadn't made it to the rest of Washington yet. As an added bonus, he's a Constitutional Lawyer, so he was already on board with fewer federal mandates and more freedom of states to make decisions (see: allowing States to set their own emission and mileage standards).

The biggest problem right now is that they're terrified that the economy is going to completely roll over and die, so they're throwing a kitchen sink at it (tax cuts, infrastructure spending, scientific funding, increased student loans, etc) in hopes that something will work.

If you want to complain about the man, then complain that he doesn't have the backbone to stand up to Congress. He let congressional democrats completely game him on the stimulus package (FWIW, I would feel much better if there was a Republican majority in Congress). If he learns from that mistake, and stops being fearful of the economy, then he'll probably become the most influential President since Reagan -- and our tax rates will be lower, our middle-class stronger, and our government smaller (assuming, of course, that our economy isn't facing systemic failure).

Oh, and yes I obviously knew why I was voting for him: from a Libertarian standpoint, he was the least offensive candidate (face it, Congress won't allow the IRS to be shut down, so a Ron Paul Presidency would have been four years of futility). And in case anybody missed it earlier: "Change" basically boils down to bringing cutting-edge Behavioural Economics to government policy -- anybody who actually pays attention would know this.


[edit on 26-2-2009 by theWCH]

reply to post by northof8


You serious? Did you even read the Gitmo source:

According to a lawyer who represents Guantanamo detainees, abuse of prisoners has worsened significantly since Obama won the election. Guards want to "get their kicks in" before the camp closes, said British lawyer Ahmed Ghappour, who represents 31 detainees.

What about that is Obama's fault? Shouldn't you be upset with the military for training a bunch of idiots?

As for the WSJ article, until you can point to Obama and say that he led the nation to war under false pretenses, lied about domestic spying, and lied about torturing, then I don't think you can compare the policies to Bush.

YES, much of Obama's policies are going to be the same, because not EVERY one of Bush's policies was bad.

Originally posted by northof8
Wait a minute here... If I am not mistaken this thread was started by an Obama supporter was it not?

I'm the OP and I supported Obama because Ron Paul wasn't going to be able to get anything done, and McCain/Palin scared me.

Originally posted by northof8
The simple fact is that these Obamanation supporters voted for change but we didn't get change did we? The Chosen One is following the Bush Doctrine on everything and changing very little.

He has been in office for over a month now. Where's the change! lol 2% of his first term is complete. They don't even call elections when 2% of the vote has come in. But it's funny how your patience is SO little for a democrat and yet so much for a republican. I could say the same about democrats and how they have all the patience in the world for a democrat and none for a republican.

Originally posted by northof8
With Bush it was what it was. You lefties hated that. Obama is doing the same exact thing but calling it Change and you can't wrap your little liberal minds around that. It is for the same reason you support him now that you voted for him before.

I love you.

Originally posted by northof8
The problem is you liberals have no capacity to think and when we call you on it... Or Mock you as you say you throw a childish tantrum.

Liberals have no capacity to think and yet it's the Republicans screaming bloody murder after 2% of his term is complete. Liberals have no capacity to think and yet it's the Republicans who are able to mobilize their base by bringing up gays getting married, or stem cell research.

Originally posted by Irish M1ck
reply to post by northof8

 

You serious? Did you even read the Gitmo source:

According to a lawyer who represents Guantanamo detainees, abuse of prisoners has worsened significantly since Obama won the election. Guards want to "get their kicks in" before the camp closes, said British lawyer Ahmed Ghappour, who represents 31 detainees.

What about that is Obama's fault? Shouldn't you be upset with the military for training a bunch of idiots?

As for the WSJ article, until you can point to Obama and say that he led the nation to war under false pretenses, lied about domestic spying, and lied about torturing, then I don't think you can compare the policies to Bush.

YES, much of Obama's policies are going to be the same, because not EVERY one of Bush's policies was bad.

"not EVERY one of Bush's policies was bad" Dont say that too loud. You may be labeled as a traitor.

And you prove my point as you try and argue against it. It matters not what the Gitmo guards are doing. The Change Agent is in charge. It was supposed to CHANGE and it didn't. It actually got worse! The Change Agent is nothing but a Bush of another color.

This is the Cult leaders doing. He is in charge so he must now pay for the military he commands. He directs the training and the missions. This is no longer Bush's fault.... The irony of the liberal mind is as thick as molasses...

reply to post by northof8


Yeah, it is. They are closing it. Obama does not control every idiot in this country. Obama also didn't order them to do it, which further separates him from Bush. There is no similarity there.

As far as every one of Bush's policies being wrong... you'd have to be a partisan idiot to think that. Many of them were wrong, in my opinion, enough to be excited about "change" from THOSE policies, but to be surprised that there are similarities between recent presidencies is kind of lame.

Yeah, they both ran the same country, in the same time period, and under similar circumstances.

You are right. I will Stop Mocking Obama Supporters. I don't know what I was thinking. You brought up some good points and I can see it under a different perspective now.

McCain supporters thought Palin was a messiah too it seemed.

I had to have a laugh at this one Obama supporter when I saw two bumper stickers...

One was an Obama one...

The other one said Anti-War.

I laughed so hard. Not as much as the ignorance of the general population regarding politics.

Should be ask if you don't know, not talk.

Got to be honest here. Obama supporters need to get a thicker skin IMHO. This was no different than 2004 when Bush won and the ultra liberals did the same thing.

reply to post by FredT


I understand where you're coming from but it's not really an issue of whether or not Obama supporters need to have thicker skin, is it? By your logic it seems like we should just accept the fact that animosity, hatred and condescension are part of the process, and not something that can be changed.

The reason people should stop mocking Obama supporters is the same reason that people should stop mocking Bush supporters: conflict does not lead to resolution in this case. It never has, it only serves to drive a wedge in the American people and divide us further.

Or am I wrong? Is it instead helpful to tear other people down for their beliefs? In some reality is that how we get people to come over to our way of thinking, by simply ridiculing them until they do? It doesn't make sense.

reply to post by FredT


Well, again, I hate to point it out, but there is a huge difference. Bush already had four years, and his policies had already begun to show signs of extreme failure. Notice you point to 2004, and not 2000, and that's because while some were upset over Gore's loss by electoral college, that's where the similarities end.

My point: you're right. Bush got it pretty hard, especially at the end there. But at least the "ultra liberals" waited for his policies to begin failing.

[edit on 2/28/2009 by Irish M1ck]

reply to post by The Cyfre


Well I believe that if you Obamanites or whatever you will accept being called, were smart enough to see what was going on when you were all warned about what he was doing when he was doing it.

You were told that he used NLPto get you to vote for him. You were told that his promises wouldn't hold up. Yet you still say that he's an honest guy that is working for his people. Have you not seen the Hannity clip where he questions the difference between Bush and obama? Check it out here...

Then maybe smack yourself in the head a couple of times if you pushed the button for him.

reply to post by AllTiedTogether


NLP is your reasoning that I shouldn't be happy Obama is president? You expect me to change my mind because you show a clip of Hannity finding loose connections between Obama and Bush?

It's the same rhetoric all the time. It gets tired.

Originally posted by theWCH
This idea that Obama is a socialist is really baffling. I mean, the man was a faculty member at the University of Chicago, which is the Mecca of free-market intellectualism. Have you people looked at his economic advisers? Obama is essentially a libertarian-paternalist, and Austan Goolsbee has had a major hand in shaping social policy ideas. These guys are ideologically in favor of small-government, lower taxes, the power of markets; and, they see the potential to use market-based incentives to bring about positive social outcomes. This is what he meant with the "change" slogan -- he's ushering in new ideas that hadn't made it to the rest of Washington yet. As an added bonus, he's a Constitutional Lawyer, so he was already on board with fewer federal mandates and more freedom of states to make decisions (see: allowing States to set their own emission and mileage standards).
Oh, and yes I obviously knew why I was voting for him: from a Libertarian standpoint, he was the least offensive candidate (face it, Congress won't allow the IRS to be shut down, so a Ron Paul Presidency would have been four years of futility). And in case anybody missed it earlier: "Change" basically boils down to bringing cutting-edge Behavioural Economics to government policy -- anybody who actually pays attention would know this.

[edit on 26-2-2009 by theWCH]

Well I for one would rather we make change the way we should have and voted every single incumbent OUT of office no matter who they were.

As for Obama being a socialist?

No question about that

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He has ALWAYS been fascinated with socialism and community organizers in Chicago usually are.

His favorite author and mentor saul alinsky ring any bells?

I agree with Mick on most of this stuff however withg the exception of a few things

The thing with people is, they will never admit they are stupid, infact they will write post after post defending themselves. If you feel you are right, you will defend yourself, if I feel you are wrong, I will tell you so. Accept this and move on. In my mind, liberals were wrong on this one and are now the dumbest people in the U.S. But hey, buddy, that is in my mind and you have no power over it, so you people and I mean conservatives and liberals alike, need to just roll with the punches, it shows strength. All this dodging is weak.


[edit on 28-2-2009 by Sheeper]

reply to post by Sheeper


I guess what you all see as "dodging" is what I see as attempting to have a productive environment rather than a destructive one. In my personal experience, nothing gets resolved when you're in conflict, all resolutions come when you work together.

I love how we all sit here and rip down the Senate and House for their lack of ability to communicate in a productive manner, but here we are screaming back and forth about how the other side is stupid for the choices they've made. Hypocrites.

You're all the reason this country won't be able to bring itself up out of the mire, this incessant need to be better than your neighbor. Very American of you, can't see the forest through the tree's.