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Originally posted by Stillresearchn911
Considering the fires were on the very top of the collapsing debris you would think that it wouldn't have a chance in hell to stay burning at the very bottom of the pile.
Burning so hot it was molten and lasted for months? Where was it getting all of the oxygen needed to do this especially in the beginning.
Originally posted by _BoneZ_
Originally posted by Stillresearchn911
Considering the fires were on the very top of the collapsing debris you would think that it wouldn't have a chance in hell to stay burning at the very bottom of the pile.
Burning so hot it was molten and lasted for months? Where was it getting all of the oxygen needed to do this especially in the beginning.
The thermite/thermate that appears to have been used to help initiate the collapses doesn't need oxygen to burn as they burn with chemical reactions.
Originally posted by _BoneZ_
Yes, any normal office fires from up top would have been put out in the collapses and/or starved after the collapses due to lack of oxygen.
Originally posted by _BoneZ_
But, we have no way of knowing what different types of incendiaries were used in those buildings unless whoever did it comes forward.
Originally posted by adam_zapple
the thermite/thermate reaction is a very fast one...it doesn't burn for weeks...so if there were fires in the piles for weeks there must have been an oxygen source.
Originally posted by _BoneZ_
Originally posted by adam_zapple
the thermite/thermate reaction is a very fast one...it doesn't burn for weeks...so if there were fires in the piles for weeks there must have been an oxygen source.
There wasn't oxygen if the molten pools of steel were under the pile, which they were under all three buildings. The thermite/thermate would react fast, but what you're left with is molten steel.
Originally posted by _BoneZ_Take all the molten steel and dump thousands of tons of debris on top of it and you create an oven effect which will allow the molten steel to burn for weeks.
Originally posted by adam_zapple
A thermite reaction doesn't produce molten steel
Originally posted by adam_zapple
Molten steel doesn't burn.
Originally posted by _BoneZ_
Originally posted by adam_zapple
A thermite reaction doesn't produce molten steel
Ah, so the dripping molten steel from the reaction is invisible and the molten slag on the steel beams is also invisible? Oh by the way, care to provide some proof of your claims? There's plenty of videos of thermite that prove you wrong.
Originally posted by _BoneZ_
Originally posted by adam_zapple
Molten steel doesn't burn.
Touch it with your hand and I bet it burns. But seriously, wrong choice of words. And I edited my post accordingly.
Originally posted by Blue_Jay33
Good Point
This is very true, just kick some dust onto a camp fire, it does goes out almost instantly and begins to cool down.
Originally posted by adam_zapple
Originally posted by _BoneZ_
Originally posted by adam_zapple
the thermite/thermate reaction is a very fast one...it doesn't burn for weeks...so if there were fires in the piles for weeks there must have been an oxygen source.
There wasn't oxygen if the molten pools of steel were under the pile, which they were under all three buildings. The thermite/thermate would react fast, but what you're left with is molten steel.
A thermite reaction doesn't produce molten steel:
Fe2O3 + 2Al -> 2Fe + Al2O3 + Heat
Originally posted by _BoneZ_Take all the molten steel and dump thousands of tons of debris on top of it and you create an oven effect which will allow the molten steel to burn for weeks.
Molten steel doesn't burn.
Originally posted by Nonchalant
"Well with all that steel & rubble collapsing into the ground so fast it generated massive heat (similar to a nuclear reaction) and all the metal turned to molten rivers of steel, and it burned for months - the end"
- NIST
The primary water supplies for the WTC consist of connections to 12" city mains and total capacity in 14 steel gravity tanks of 70,000 gallons. These water supplies are delivered to sprinkler and standpipe systems by a total of 12 pumps. The tanks are automatically refilled from a 2" connection to the domestic water system.
Eight of the pumps are multi-stage, high net head pumps serving the standpipe system. These eight pumps are 3-stage, Peerless pumps rated at 750 gpm with net heads from 228 to 360 psi. These pumps are situated on the following levels; B-1, 7th, 41st, and 75th floors of each tower.
On floor 108 of both towers there are 500 gpm Peerless pumps with a net head of 60 psi. These pumps take suction from 5,000-gallon steel gravity tanks and provide water supplies to both the standpipe and sprinkler systems for the top floors (sprinklers - floors 99 to 107 and standpipe floors 99 to the roof)