Girl, 14, Arrested for Text-Messaging in School

reply to post by marg6043


Sorry but I either have a hard time believing you or you just never noticed police at any of the schools you went to. Any time there is a school fight, suspension of drugs or many other minor problems officers are called to schools. Hell even smoking cigarettes on school property can have a police presence because its a minor using an illegal substance.

How about you list a few names of the schools you taught at and I will find articles


Also burns I agree with you. I take this article with a grain of salt because its clearly not showing all the facts in an unbiased way. They kid was probably a repeat trouble maker. Sure the last text sent was to her day as in " Dad I hate you and now im going to be arrested to get some attention"

What I'd like to know is when did it become legal and proper to prevent others from getting an education?

What gives this kid or any other the right to violate the rules and to disrupt the class?

Who gave this child the right to be special?

Who gave these children the right to detract from anothers education by distracting everyone as well as the teacher?

Why are there so many so called adults in this country that will jump to defend the rights of a child to be an annoyance, disruption, truant, delinquent, felon and so on?

No wonder we spend more money for worse results. The adults are still living in grade school and are trying to defend their kids right to be little monsters.

Do you people actually ENJOY having the stupidest kids in the world graduate from your schools?

This kid was WRONG.

The school had to call the cops because only a FEMALE LAW OFFICER could search the child. In most schools only a LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL can touch a student. Your fellow self righteous PARENTS have made sure that schools cannot even touch a child to remove her from the classroom without being charged with assault or worse. Those same parents will defend their little truants right to disrupt class to the bitter end but then complain when their kids get lousy educations.

What are you people? Grade school kids? You should be ashamed of yourselves for defending this girl who is so stupid that she will get arrested over breaking the rules in a classroom.

Grow up folks. How do we expect our kids to ever grow up if our society insists on acting like children.

Hahahahahahahaha every one here is amazing. Saying things like "a police-state" and how we need to "have anarchy to take back control". For christ's sake, read the article. Its a wealthy suburb outside Milwaukee. It was some rich, snobby little girl who repeatedly was disciplined and warned about using her phone in class. When she did not comply with school rules, the principal simply felt it necessary to scare her straight, by calling the police. Maybe next time this little princess will think twice about disrespecting adults.

Oh, and also. Give the police a break. They have a usually boring, sometimes dangerous, job that requires alot of training and time spent away from their family, for an extremely small pay. My father was a cop in a very bad area and got paid under 40k a year, while we see professional athletes who swing a bat or throw a ball for a living making half a billion dollars, and managing to cheat while doing so. Give cops a break, its not a police state. They were simply doing their job, the school filed a report and called them, they can't just ignore it because it sounds frivilous, because regardless of how ridiculous it sounds, it WAS a valid complaint, technically. I'm sure the police department wasn't going around looking for little girls to arrest. They were just doing their job. Stop complaining.

reply to post by RFBurns


So this is reason enough to have her arrested? If we spend 7 hours of a day in school, I think we should have a right to at least a little text messaging. This is a waste of tax dollars
You know we can get arrested for anything now. Even just crossing the field on our way home can be trespassing and punishable by law.
Last year at my school, there was a "bomb" found in the hallway. The teachers called the school cops, the school cops called the real cops, the real cops called the firemen, and the firemen called the bomb squad. When the bomb squad arrived, they told all the frightened idiots that it was only a soda can with a reusable pop top. See how stupid they are? All parents should know what kind of an institution they are sending their kids off to every morning.

Originally posted by sixtysix
reply to post by RFBurns

 

So this is reason enough to have her arrested? If we spend 7 hours of a day in school, I think we should have a right to at least a little text messaging. This is a waste of tax dollars

No, you're supposed to be there to learn. A waste of tax dollars is sending ignorant kids to school who think they have the right to do "a little texting" when our taxes are paying for them to learn.

And AGAIN, she wasn't arrested for texting!

Originally posted by sixtysix
reply to post by RFBurns

 

So this is reason enough to have her arrested? If we spend 7 hours of a day in school, I think we should have a right to at least a little text messaging. This is a waste of tax dollars
You know we can get arrested for anything now. Even just crossing the field on our way home can be trespassing and punishable by law.
Last year at my school, there was a "bomb" found in the hallway. The teachers called the school cops, the school cops called the real cops, the real cops called the firemen, and the firemen called the bomb squad. When the bomb squad arrived, they told all the frightened idiots that it was only a soda can with a reusable pop top. See how stupid they are? All parents should know what kind of an institution they are sending their kids off to every morning.

And this proves my point as well as a few others. First you need to put down the cell phone, and educate yourself on the difference between rights and privilages and at what age rights apply. Until you are 18 you have NO rights, save the very basic human rights.Until then you cannot even enter into a legally binding contract. Also I don't remember there being a Verizon clause in the Bill of Rights. So you go to school for 7 hours and think you have a right to buck the system and do what you please? Then accept the consequences of those actions. Rules are there for a reason, sometimes good reasons, other times not so much. But if you chose to ignore them you take the responsibility of the consequences. And as for the "bombscare" incident, if it had been an explosive device what would you have said then? By your demeanor it almost seems as if you knew whether first hand or offhandeldly that it wasn't a device. Stupid is ignoring a possible threat and letting it kill innocent people.

reply to post by RFBurns

... defiant teen ...

Sounds like criminal activity to me ...

Gimme a break !!!

Eeeeeeeveryone texts in my school. Including myself. And the teachers know, sometimes phones get confiscated by the admin and you get them back at the end of the day. But really, usually the teachers just say "please put it away" and you do, even if the phone rings or vibrates, they just tell you to turn it off. And usually you do. And if you don't, they can take your phone and give it back at the end of class.

I was actually talking to one of my fave teachers about it. It's kind of like that with iPods, too, some kids wear the tiny headphones and usually teacher's can't tell (no iPods in school, either).

But anyway, we were talking, and basically my school gets barely any cell phone service. And sometimes parents need to contact their kids about them needing the car, or needing the kid to run an errand, or the kid realizes that they need to stay after school and needs to let the parents know. So they text, instead of getting a pass and missing class to go and use the phone in the office (where they may need to check their phones for the right numbers, anyway).

Basically my deal is that I keep my phone on silent during the day. I check my phone at the very beginning of each class, before the starting bell of the class rings. I keep it in my purse and keep my purse in my lap to check it (looks like I'm looking for a pencil.) Everyone does it, and it's really not a problem unless kids aren't paying attention in class because they're texting all the time. I know some kids who do that, but really, as long as they're not being a distraction to everyone else, what's the problem?

So again, I have a 4.3 GPA, I'm clearly learning in school, I get every assignment completed on time, and I rarely have homework because I complete the homework assignments in class when I have finished the classwork assignments. And I text during class. My first class starts at 7:10 and we get out at 1:50. I have 10:35-12:00 off for lunch. I usually text from 7:10 to about 9:00 because that is when my boyfriend in MD is home before his classes start. And if I realize that I have NHS or a Chorus meeting or a GSA meeting or some other crap that I have to do after school and I'll need the car, I text my mom and let her know before I forget.

[edit on 2/22/2009 by ravenshadow13]

Originally posted by sixtysix
reply to post by RFBurns

 

So this is reason enough to have her arrested? If we spend 7 hours of a day in school, I think we should have a right to at least a little text messaging. This is a waste of tax dollars
You know we can get arrested for anything now. Even just crossing the field on our way home can be trespassing and punishable by law.
Last year at my school, there was a "bomb" found in the hallway. The teachers called the school cops, the school cops called the real cops, the real cops called the firemen, and the firemen called the bomb squad. When the bomb squad arrived, they told all the frightened idiots that it was only a soda can with a reusable pop top. See how stupid they are? All parents should know what kind of an institution they are sending their kids off to every morning.

You are in school for a reason..to get an education, not text message your friends, which that can be done during your lunch time or before or after school.

As long as there are other students attending that class, they have a right to that education they went to school for.

If you were the only on in that class, then it would not matter if you got an education or not and simply wanted to text message all day, because you would not be interrupting other's right to an education becaue you "think" you deserve a break to text message.

If you think 7 hours of school is hard, just wait till you get out into the real world where work hours can be from 8 to 12 hours long, with a quick 30 minutes to cram down a lunch.

And at that point, text messaging instead of doing your job, you wont deny yourself an edcuation, you will deny yourself a job.

There is an appropriate time for text messaging, and during class is not one of them...period.



Cheers!!!!

Originally posted by ignorant_ape

Originally posted by prevenge
I wonder what her last message she sent was?

help call my lawyer ?

it's not about texting...
it's about compliance.

so you think that there shoud be no rules ?

No one ever said that... they said she should have been given detention, suspended or other appropriate punishment, it didn't require the police.

Originally posted by RFBurns


There is an appropriate time for text messaging, and during class is not one of them...period.



Cheers!!!!

Yes... and there are appropriate measures for class disruptions... they don't involve the police for non-violent belligerence.

reply to post by HunkaHunka


Perhaps the school did give her the chance to end the matter before it escalated to a point where the school had no choice?

We really dont know what this girl's reactions were to the school's teacher and administrator prior to them having to call the police.

But can we honestly say that they were called just for the heck of it?

Na...I dont think we could go to that extent to say the school just called the cops because they can pick up a phone and dial 911.

There had to be a reason for it. That reason is just not detailed in the news report.

Perhaps it will be disclosed when the case is heard and reported on at that time.



Cheers!!!!

Originally posted by RFBurns
reply to post by HunkaHunka

 

Perhaps the school did give her the chance to end the matter before it escalated to a point where the school had no choice?

We really dont know what this girl's reactions were to the school's teacher and administrator prior to them having to call the police.

But can we honestly say that they were called just for the heck of it?

Na...I dont think we could go to that extent to say the school just called the cops because they can pick up a phone and dial 911.

There had to be a reason for it. That reason is just not detailed in the news report.

Perhaps it will be disclosed when the case is heard and reported on at that time.

Well I've witnessed more unreasonable actions taken by schools then I would like to acknowledge...

So to me this is par for the course for our education system

reply to post by HunkaHunka


Well its been too many years I would care to remember since I was in school so I cant say that I have seen anything taking place as you describe. Im sure it does go a bit far from time to time. But is every case as such?

Again we do not have the details of what this girl's actions were, other than what is in the report.

I wouldnt be too quick to judge the educational system either. They have quite a bit to handle on a day to day basis. Severely overcrowded classrooms, severely underpaid teachers, and all kinds of influencing issues that face students these days. A school's job is not easy.

But lets look at this from the begining. This girl was doing something in class that is against the school rules. She has prior history of doing this. She was asked to stop, she did not stop, from there it escalated to a point where the police had to be called. What caused that to occur we do not know. What we do know is that after the police arrived, the girl continued to be resistant and even denied having the phone, to not just the school, but to the police officer. Its one thing to lie to a school official. But when a cop is on a call, and they are investigating on that call, it becomes an offical investigation, no matter where it occurs.

When this cop asked that girl if she had a cell phone, the girl lied to the cop. That in effect is interfereing with the investigation. It was obvious she did have a cell phone otherwise there would not have been a problem to begin with. But she lied, and since there was witness of the teacher and other students, the cop had to call in a female officer to search the girl for the phone..and low and behold it was indeed found "low" below the beltline.

Now we do not know if this girl cooperated during the serach either. She may have resisted, which again that would be interfering with an official investigation, not to mention resisting a search, which in turn would be disorderly conduct, thus cause for arrest.

Now it would be no different if this girl were causing a disturbance in another public place like a movie theatre where she was disrupting patrons and the movie theatre called the cops to escort her off the premisis. If the girl gave any resistance to being escorted from the movie theatre, she would be arrested for disorderly conduct and not complying with a police officer's order to leave the theatre.

It all comes down to this. The girl did this to herself. She could have ended it all before it even got to a point where the cops would have been called. She has a history of being defiant towards the teachers and school authorities, and has text messaged in class before.

I dont think that this takes a calculator or any major thought process or rationalization to conclude that this girl obviously done something wrong that warrented the police to arrest her.

I think people need to examine all of the facts in the case before jumping to conclusions. Me personally, I think there was a reason why the cops were called and a reason why she was arrested. I do not believe the arrest had anything to do with the text messaging in class itself, but of something that happend after that. I think it was due to her resisting and lying to the cops during an official investigation.

Anytime an officer responds to a call, it is an offical investigation, no matter how minor or irrelevant we think it is. It is the officer's job to respond to the call and investigate. That is what their job is. The laws are different when it comes to the severity of interfereing with an officer's duty during an investigation. That can range from a simple back off warning to being detained for a short period of time while the officer completes their investigation, to actually being arrested.

I would say everyone should relax and enjoy the evening and lets wait for the case to be heard in court and find out what actually happend. Then decide if it was justified for the arrest. Something tells me tho, that there was a reason.


Cheers!!!!

[edit on 22-2-2009 by RFBurns]

wonder who she was texting to during school hours - if another student did they get arrested??

ok, what most people do not realize is that this little arrest as meaningless as it seems is probably going to cause the city some money(tax payers money) Why? Well if you read the report(smokinggun has it) an illegal strip search was conducted. The Supreme Court ruled many years ago that you can only(regardless of age) strip search someone when searching for Drugs or Weapons. A cell phone is neither. Every year a lawsuit is won, yes won, because of illegal strip searches performed by police officers, wardens etc. The report states that the police officer told the girl's mother on the phone that she was under arrest before strip searching her and finding the phone. Therefore finding the phone did not even result in her arrest. That's bad!! There is no mention on the report that the mother was even notified of the strip search that was going to take place.
This police officer was an idiot, because he just opened the city for a law suit(if the parents have any sense). And every one that asked "why were the police called?" Well because the school did not want the liablity of searching this girl and possible consequences. Good Job Officers! !

Originally posted by puzzled2
wonder who she was texting to during school hours - if another student did they get arrested??

She was not arrested for texting in class...she was arrested for disorderly conduct.

Read the report!

I think that this is part of the problem with some here. They seem to want to ignore why this girl was arrested and throw in their own reason and get all upset over a wrong conclusion to why she got arrested.


Cheers!!!!

"Stupid is ignoring a possible threat and letting it kill innocent people."

as for the bomb, I think I know what a soda with a pop top looks like.


apparently others don't.
and texting during class is not my idea of bucking the system. I just think it was a waste of tax money to do what they did. At my school the real cops don't even get called for big brawls, and the area is the worst in Las Vegas.

Now imagine that cops aren't being brought for gang brawls but they are for rich kids lying about texting...What sounds right about that?