please help this ignorant mother!!!

Originally posted by Anuubis
reply to post by salchanra

 

Man thats a helluva deal. If i needed a weapon i would jump on it. I think the ten i have should do me just fine though.

lol. Im sure the anti's out there love to hear that. Even if you dont use them all. I know I cant fire 10 at once, should TSHTF, a very cheap and storable trade item. Hey, a gun is a gun right?

WTF is the matter with people!?!? Hey forget a 7.62, why not just get him a 308MAG or a .50cal??? Hell, no need to stop there - get him a .50cal AND a grenade launcher. Maybe after that a few stinger missiles would be fun!

I'm sorry, but BIG guns are for people with little D*cks! I am a certified shooting instructor with over 30 years of experience. A few things "mom"... Until your kid has completed a gun safety and shooting course with a .22, he has absolutely no business handling a 7.62. Heck, most people I know that are experienced shooters have no business shouldering a 7.62!

Secondly, neither YOU nor he have ANY experience with guns. Why in God's name would you consider purchasing a Russian refuse franken-gun that is either a.) comprised of spare parts, b.) on the brink of malfunctioning, c.) so severely mistreated or modified that it barely resembles itself or d.) might sort-of be safe? What experience do you or your son have with weaponry to discern whether or not it's in safe, working order? What experience do you or your son have have to deal with a potential mis-fire?

My biggest problem with the posters here are their collective ignorance regarding weaponry. Everyone loves to pile on about massive assault weapon this, or super-magnum caliber that or super-cool hyper-advanced special forces weapon this - BS! I can tell that most people posting have only read about this stuff in magazines and have never held one - let alone fired one! Hell, it's obvious that most of these posters are wanna-be weapons owners who have too many past issues of Guns and Ammo or Soldier of Fortune magazines stacked under the bed - instead of actual weapons!

Serious people who have ANY true knowledge regarding firearms know that a .22 can kill you just as effectively as a .50 cal! Guns are NOT an extension of their manliness either! Nor do they make up for any deficiencies in said "Manliness". Unless you're Russian Infantry, there's no need for a 7.62 - oh, and have fun paying for the ammo!

Look, get real. Get your kid a .22 and enroll him in a reputable gun safety class. .22 ammo is real cheap and will allow your son to experience the thrill of firing a weapon while learning how to effectively use it. Any jacka** can chamber a round and pull a trigger - very few can actually sight in a target and hit it repeatedly - THAT is true marksmanship! If (and when) he has mastered the art of marksmanship and wants to engage in the collecting of firearms, that is a different story. But to arm him with military surplus [possible] junk in a caliber that is too big for most experienced shooters is both short-sighted and dangerous!

Get your kid a .22 and enroll him in a gun safety course

reply to post by salchanra
Yes, very true. I only plan on carrying two at any given time which will most of the time be my pistol and mini-14. It will all depend just on the situation. Instead of buying any weapons for bartering purposes, i'm buying more ammo for myself.

reply to post by kozmo


If you had bothered to read the thread she certainly has firearm experience and owns several.

Yes, a .22 can kill. You'd be a grade A ass to try and bag a deer with one.

From instructor to instructor, lay off the coffee.

Who here was trying to extend their manliness? Me thinks someone doth protest too much! lol

Or as my 9 year old daughter says..."he who smelt it delt it"

reply to post by kozmo


he is very experienced. he has taken his hunter safety course and was #1 on his shooting team. and by the way he can hit a brick at 400 yards with his .30-06. i might not know much but guns are all of what he knows. it is people like you that are over safe that have ruint this country. he got his 12 guage shotgun at 8 years old. he has shot most every rifle he can. he has an sks a .30-06 a 12 guage 3 .22,s and a 22 mag pistol. not to mention a black powder pistol that is .45.

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p.s. the ammo is extremely cheap less than $200 for 880 bullets

Originally posted by wehere
reply to post by kozmo

 

he is very experienced. he has taken his hunter safety course and was #1 on his shooting team. and by the way he can hit a brick at 400 yards with his .30-06. i might not know much but guns are all of what he knows. it is people like you that are over safe that have ruint this country. he got his 12 guage shotgun at 8 years old. he has shot most every rifle he can. he has an sks a .30-06 a 12 guage 3 .22,s and a 22 mag pistol. not to mention a black powder pistol that is .45.

Sadly, I could only star this post one time. We need more parents like this. Good for you in trusting your son and teaching him.

Wish I had an sks when I was growing up.

reply to post by salchanra


i don't know if your being sarcastic or what. but if you are serious i appreciate it. i think ive done an alright as a parent.

reply to post by wehere
No, i think he was serious. And i totally agree with him except on the sks. It's good to see a parent who doesn't restrict a childs interest in firearms.

reply to post by wehere


Very serious. If more parents took the time to teach children that guns are tools and should be respected, not something to be feared, we would have a whole lot fewer accidental deaths in the country. A kid at a gun range, or out hunting or fishing is better than one sitting around playing video games or text messaging all day.

Allowing a child to touch, and then teaching them how to use a firearm correctly, is the surest way to teach them respect for it. It eliminates the WOW factor, and stymies the desire to play with things which are offhandedly forbidden.

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i thank y'all for your comments and support , especially from the level-headed ones.my son began his firearm lessons on a red ryder bb gun and the 30.06 he so good with was sighted in by himself without a vice or assistance but absolutely with supervision and guidance. kozmo,you didn't specifically state what your 30 yrs experience was in,but i'm most certain it was NOT in being better than everyone else.i'm most grateful you were not his instructor.the state game wardens taught him and his brother and they were the highest scores in their class with 100 and 98,not to mention they were also the youngest there.i am thankful for your your reply,though.i'm trying to raise my children to think before they speak and to know as fact what they're speaking about.i 'm also teaching them that they must always be accountable for their actions AND their REACTIONS.you have helped me to illustrate these points beautifully.by assuming as much as you did they will be able to see firsthand that to ASS U ME has made U look like an A$$ to ME.i only hope your reactions are calmer and more thought out in the future ,especially when you're armed.

It really doesn't have anything resembling a modern safety. Thus you must be more careful and not have it loaded until you use it. Which makes it not great for home defense , unless you are constantly under attack, and obviously bad for teaching gun safety (the russians probably were more concerned about producing a wicked weapon than the safety of their own soldiers). The ammo is as cheap as it gets for that kinda power. It's a gun with great history for a great price (cheaper than even a .22). But it kicks like a shotgun and goes through anything, even thick steel, like butter. It's a beast of a gun; I don't use this thing in the prone position because it friggin hurts. If he's a kid under like 16 and it's his first gun a .22 should be enough, the nagant is too much gun for him even though it's a 5 shot bolt action (mine takes some elbow grease to load each round). A .22 won't do much damage, it's really hard to kill someone with it (I had to shoot a squirrel like 5 times with one to kill it) and has almost nonexistent kick. It's still a blast because it will go through bottles and cans like anything else and you can pop off 11 shots in a couple seconds and the ammo is about 1 cent a shot so no worries there. Put a little scope on it and he'll be in heaven.

I have one of both, and a yugslavian sks and 20 gauge shotgun. I would say the sks is the best overall, most versatile and reliable, and most fun, but maybe not a first gun. But much safer than the nagant. It's got a good safety, and is a cool powerful gun without much recoil (smaller cartridge) and a more recent, reliable design and build. If your kid wants something pretty strong but not over the top this can be had for $200-250. I would trust my life to that gun. Not a mosin nagant, as much as I like it. I just want to get on the soap box for a sec and say that Mil surpluses aren't any more dangerous than an American made new gun (unless it's a very old one without a safety). A gun is a gun. Typically the only problem with a poor gun is it WONT fire reliably. That's it.

BTW the guy that recommended the m44 carbine version, I would think it would kick more because of the shorter barrel and thus even more kick. Plus the sidefolding bayonet could stab something.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
reply to post by kozmo

 

If you had bothered to read the thread she certainly has firearm experience and owns several.

Yes, a .22 can kill. You'd be a grade A ass to try and bag a deer with one.

From instructor to instructor, lay off the coffee.

Thisguy... Do you read these forums? Do you follow the folks recommending ARs for home defense? I read her thread... She stated that she has fired those weapons but doesn't know much about them - SCARY!!! Any "joe" can fire a gun - there's nothing to it - chamber the round, pull the trigger - see, it's easy! Any "Joe" can buy a gun and ammo too! Doesn't mean they should, it just means that they can. In my classes I always have 2 or 3 guys that think they know everything there is to know about guns because they fired their uncle's 30-06 once and have read every issue of guns and ammo. Get one of these assclowns on the range and they damn near kill someone demonstrating in short order how much they really know about high-powered weaponry.

Now, I'm NOT advocating gun control. However, I AM advocating sensible gun owning practices. For a woman with a house full of guns to "Not know much about them" simply scares the hell out of me. For her to consider letting her son own one of the most powerful calibers available on the market, a franken-gun at that, with little or no experience is even scarier. This isn't a matter of how much coffee I've had, this is a matter of NOT giving the government good cause to restrict gun ownership due to foolish and irresponsible gun ownership practices. I am protecting my right, my hobby and a part of my livlihood. I would think, also as an instructor, that this would make good sense to you.

reply to post by wehere


Ya know wehere, if you had bothered to illustrate those points earlier I would have had a different response. But you didn't and came across as just another one of "those' people who want to purchase a certain type of gun because it's cool to have such a large caliber weapon. In my classes I see it all of the time - and it is dangerous. I don't really care if you think I'm an ass - I'm one of the few people out there trying to teach SAFE and SENSIBLE gun ownership practices. Were you aware that only 1 in 200 gun owners has completed a gun safety course? And the number is probably much higher than that given that those surveyed, probably a good number of them lied! Were you aware that almost 95% of "Accidental" gun fatalities occur in homes where the owner never completed a gun safety course? Were you aware that a significant portion of gun fatalities occuring outside the home are due to either poor safety training and/or underestimating the range of a weapon? And in all cases, I am NOT talking about hunting.

So, please pardon me if I come across as a bit passionate regarding the issue - I am! Guns have a tremendouse potential to KILL people when in the wrong hands. When seeking advice on guns it is best to make clear the skill and training of the shooter so as to avoid having to have this type of dialogue.

Oh, and should I tell you all the story about the lady who showed up at my basic handgun safety course with a brand new S&W .50Cal Mag handgun - she had NEVER fired a gun before in her life. She bought it because she believed the bigger the caliber the better the gun. The guy who sold it to her didn't bother to help her make an educated decision; he just wanted a sale. Before allowing her to fire it, I wanted her to see me fire it so she could understand the power and kick that it delivered. She never picked that gun up again the whole course. She used an old .38 that I had! I see that s**t every week!

reply to post by kozmo


thank you for your reply.i appreciate your passion for the safetyof others as ihope you appreciate mine.i am knowledgable @ the guns we own ,i just don't have an index of all firearms and terminology and statistics in my head all the time.just like i can play baseball pretty good ,but i can't name every player there ever was .i just don't care.until there's a newpitcher in the bullpen with a very good chance of striking me out and then i want toknow all about himmy husband is also an enthusiast but hasn't had any personal experience with this particular gun.our children are taught of the dangers that are present everywherein everything till they give usthis lookand that's when they get taught again.thanks again[honestly] for your respectful reply and concern.i see you're not an a$$ you only appeared tobe for little bit

Originally posted by kozmo

Thisguy... Do you read these forums? Do you follow the folks recommending ARs for home defense?

Yeah, those posters are great. Nothing like 30 rounds of 5.56 and a startled and frightened trigger finger in a 15 foot space.

My guess is they figure if they can slap a flashlight on it it must have been made for home-D.

Well, i could put a flashlight on my pump shotgun if I wanted too.

You cant let them get to you. I've been called a "pussy" more than one in those forums for not jumping on the "I keep a FAL by the bed and a .44Mag in the nightstand" bandwagon. It doesnt help to belittle them and in my experience mocking people doesnt help the learning process very much.

reply to post by thisguyrighthere


Amen! Thank you for the response. In the future, I will try my best to simply ignore the ignorant.

By the way, loved the "Flashlight" thing!

reply to post by wehere


Well, no, thank you for your kind reply. A few things... 1.) Thank you for taking the time and being a responsible parent and correctly teaching your children the dangers and safe-handling practice of firearms. You are to be commended. I wish more parents with firearms in the home would take such an initiative.

2.) I'm still leary about the franken-gun though. If you go that way, please be very careful!