The barbed wire facing inwards = FEMA camp myth

I have seen quite a few of the videos related to these camps, and for the most part believed something was up with them.

Then I read a thread on ATS, which linked to a Youtube vid, which showed all the different camps in the U.S.
Two of these camps are in my area.

One is an active federal prison. Does it have barbed wire?
Well, it is a federal prison.

The other is Fort McCoy, in Wisconsin. I camp and fish on that base several times a year. Cranberry bogs all over, and big bass, as far as WI. is concerned.

Anyway, you need to go through checkpoints to enter the base, there are barracks, soldiers, tanks, and anything else you might expect to find on a military base. Much of it is open to the public, there are campsites and cottages to rent, boat launches, parks and all kinds of other facilities for the public.

I have occasionally strayed into off-limit areas, completely by accident, but have never seen anything unusual about the place. Huge gun ranges, tank exercise runs, etc... but no barbed wire, FEMA camp looking areas.

That being said, it wouldn't take much for them to house a bunch of civilians, simply because it is a large area with armed soldiers.

[edit on 18-2-2009 by Oaktree]

Originally posted by cropmuncher
reply to post by Chadwickus

 

im curious chadwickus, what do you think the barbed wire is facing inwards for, because your an intelligent guy & so must agree that it is inwards for a reason - no?

Obviously any fence with barbed or razor wire at the top is used as a deterrent. Be it vertical, facing inwards, outwards or even in a Y shape.

But it's only that, a deterrent, anyone that really wanted to get in (or out) would get through easily on these sort of fences.

If you really wanna keep people in, you would use a prison set up.

Like this:

reply to post by Chadwickus


That's a nice picture Chad, with the inward pointing barb wire and it being a prison and all.

Kind of defeats your own angle doesn't it.

The fact that there are no walls of barb wire in the supposed FEMA concentration camps, is pretty obvious, not?

It would leave us no doubt.

However, the first fencing with the inward barb wire, and guards on the other side is enough to contain people for starters, the barb wire barricades can be put up in no time.

[edit on 19/2/09 by enigmania]

reply to post by enigmania


Well if the purpose of these camps are what you believe them to be, then yes, they would have the second fence plus the electrical wires running along the internal fence as well.

A six foot high fence with only 3 rows of barbed wire on top isn't going to stop thousands of people who are unwillingly held is it?

Beech Grove is a repair facility not a station.

Line 2 here

mikell

reply to post by Chadwickus



If you put men with guns, that shoot to kill in an escape attempt, next to the fence, yes it is.

Don't be so thick, Chad.

This is a capable setup, without alerting too many people right now.

If you would round people up in an area without fencing, and have them guarded by armed men, there is a possibility for escaping alive.

If you round them up in a camp with a single fence with barb wire pointing inwards, and have them guarded by armed men, chance of escaping becomes very, very low.

edit; And like I said, if shtf, extra barricades are put up in no time.

[edit on 19/2/09 by enigmania]

reply to post by enigmania


You could round them up into a yard with the wire facing out too.

It's the same difference.

Which bring me back to my original point, Inwards does not automatically mean a concentration camp.

reply to post by Chadwickus


I already said the barb wire issue wasn't proof of anything.

It is clear that the single fence with barb wire, inwards or outwards, is enough to detain people, and that's the whole point.

You were saying in your last posts that the current setup wouldn't be capable of detaining people, I'm saying it is.

reply to post by enigmania


That's a matter of differing opinions.

I'll lean towards the tried method prisons use to detain large amounts of people.

reply to post by Chadwickus


If they would setup the "tried" methods across the country right now, even people like you would be on to them by now.

This setup seems to work, it is effective enough to detain people, but low profile enough to fool the sheeple.

Folks, I just read this thread, decided I was sick and tired over the barbed-wire-pointing debate, and so I did the unthinkable.

I got out the yellow pages, located a local fence installation company, and, (gasp) called and asked about it!!!!

The owner of the company answered, I simply asked how he determined which way the barbed wire pointed when they did an installation where the customer requested angled barbed wire at the top of a chain-link fence.

His answer was, "whichever way the customer wants it."

I asked him if he thought that the direction of the angle would have an affect on intruders attempting to scale the fence. He replied that he had heard something about that, but generally his company installs with the barbed wire facing outward. He made a point that it is more difficult to try to grab the top pole of the fence if one has barbed wire (and the potential for injury) in the way. He also said that most places these days order the barbed wire on both sides, unless budget is an issue. He said they sometimes recycle used fence for construction sites and temporary work, where his workers attach the barbed wire brackets at random angles and sometimes don't even realize it until the job is complete and the wire is twisted in spots.

Originally posted by The_Brave
Paranoia?

Well, it is a fact that the United States Government has openly announced that they will USE FEMA CAMPS, if there is an influx of illegals that come from Mexico if it crumbles.

They do have real life FEMA camps you know? They are not a myth, there are people living in FEMA centers that get there mail there. It's on their address down in Louisiana.

It's real, they got em and they will use them if they have to.

All they need is a crisis.

And how exactly is housing illegal aliens the same as rounding up American citizens with opposing political views?

reply to post by Chadwickus


Looking at the last picture if you actually paid attention it has in and outward facing barbwire, if it were just inward i could possibly see your point so really it provides no ends to the theories surrounding the FEMA camps and the "stopping people from escaping" line.

[edit on 19/2/2009 by phushion]

Originally posted by NatureBoy
Which ever way the fence goes, it's all out in the open they admit having camps 'just in case' and keeping large groups of people locked up is one of the things they are for.

Now weather you think they'll put political dissidents, gun owners, truthers, conservatives, ecocriminals, or any other group of thought criminals in them or use them for actual emergencys (like they famously failed to do for Katrina) depends on how paranoid you are. The camps really exist.

I think the paranoia might be more warranted if there were pictures of camps that had residents, that fit any of these groups demographics.

Originally posted by BlueRaja

Originally posted by NatureBoy
Which ever way the fence goes, it's all out in the open they admit having camps 'just in case' and keeping large groups of people locked up is one of the things they are for.

Now weather you think they'll put political dissidents, gun owners, truthers, conservatives, ecocriminals, or any other group of thought criminals in them or use them for actual emergencys (like they famously failed to do for Katrina) depends on how paranoid you are. The camps really exist.

I think the paranoia might be more warranted if there were pictures of camps that had residents, that fit any of these groups demographics.

To further that I would enjoy 1 picture of a camp but they don't exist the whole thing has been de bunked to the hilt. On the other hand they are going to start building them EVERYWHERE!!!??? No camps and no railcars = sleep sound tonight.

mikell

reply to post by BlueRaja

I think the paranoia might be more warranted if there were pictures of camps that had residents, that fit any of these groups demographics.

That's great thinking, that would prove it!

Too bad it would be a little late for paranoia then.

reply to post by mikellmikell

SEC. 2. ESTABLISHMENT OF NATIONAL EMERGENCY CENTERS.

(a) In General- In accordance with the requirements of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security shall establish not fewer than 6 national emergency centers on military installations.

(b) Purpose of National Emergency Centers- The purpose of a national emergency center shall be to use existing infrastructure--

(1) to provide temporary housing, medical, and humanitarian assistance to individuals and families dislocated due to an emergency or major disaster;

(2) to provide centralized locations for the purposes of training and ensuring the coordination of Federal, State, and local first responders;

(3) to provide centralized locations to improve the coordination of preparedness, response, and recovery efforts of government, private, and not-for-profit entities and faith-based organizations; and

(4) to meet other appropriate needs, as determined by the Secretary of Homeland Security

Well, there building at least six installations, and apparently, they can use them in whatever way they deem appropriate.

[edit on 19/2/09 by enigmania]

Originally posted by enigmania
reply to post by BlueRaja

 

I think the paranoia might be more warranted if there were pictures of camps that had residents, that fit any of these groups demographics.

That's great thinking, that would prove it!

Too bad it would be a little late for paranoia then.

If it were actually happening, it wouldn't be paranoia though would it?

Paranoia-
-a psychological disorder characterized by delusions of persecution or grandeur

-Paranoia is a disturbed thought process characterized by excessive anxiety or fear, often to the point of irrationality and delusion. ...

-Suspicion of others that is not based on fact.

-A mental state that includes unreasonable suspicions of people and situations. A person who is paranoid may be suspicious, hostile, or may become extremely sensitive to rejection by others.

-Is used by mental health specialists to describe suspiciousness or mistrust that is either highly exaggerated or not warranted at all. Simple suspiciousness is not paranoia – not if it is based on past experience or expectations learned from the experience of others. ...

-is a mental condition in which an individual unjustifiably feels threatened by other people.

The existence of fences and barbed wire give no indication to their purpose/intent. There are far more important things to concern yourself with, so until you see them being used to house naysayers, malcontents, etc... it's an unfounded fear.

reply to post by BlueRaja

If it were actually happening, it wouldn't be paranoia though would it?

Sigh, that's the point I was making. You're the one that's talking about paranoia.

I think the paranoia might be more warranted if there were pictures of camps that had residents, that fit any of these groups demographics.

Thanks for giving me the definition of paranoia, makes you look real smart.

The existence of fences and barbed wire give no indication to their purpose/intent. There are far more important things to concern yourself with, so until you see them being used to house naysayers, malcontents, etc... it's an unfounded fear.

Sigh, the same circular logic. you are saying that as long as it hasn't happened, the fear of it is unfounded.

That's complete bs, and a bit backwards if you ask me.

The fact that something hasn't happened is no indicator that it will never happen, the signs are there.

With such an attitude, how could you ever see obstacles come your way?

"I believe it when I see it"

Too late.

Oh, and you don't decide what's important for me to concern myself with.

reply to post by enigmania




OK where's the pictures??? Location??? anything in writing to prove they are building them??? not

mikell