More Parents Refusing Vaccines For Kids

reply to post by devareous


Well right. I mean, we used to be immune to all these things before we decided to eradicate them, and that it was better for kids to not get sick at all than to get a little sick and have stronger immune systems. Basically it's too late, our immune systems are too weak to survive without vaccines and antibiotics for the majority of people. This is due to a ton of factors, including vaccines in the first place, more people not breastfeeding, and poor diet. But, what can you do.

I work in the medical field and we are urged to get the flu shot. The company pays for it. I didn't get it this year and I am the only person who has not gotten the flu in this clinic. This would tend to make me belive that the shot lowers my immune system's powers.

Originally posted by SaviorComplex

Originally posted by pureevil81
I am still looking into this subject for my kids, The three in one vaccines are definitely a no-no.

And why is that?

I refrain from telling you why that is, Perhaps I am wrong?

It is important to look into these things for ourselves, I dont want to give bad info., Because I am still researching..... maybe when I know more about it I could say why, But I dont know enough to say more about it, I only say what I have found SO FAR.

Take care.

I have gotten both of my children all of their vaccinations, except the youngest's last set that he'll be getting next month and they are both perfectly healthy little boys. The only shot I won't let the doctors give them is the flu shot. It doesn't cover every strain to begin with and both times I have gotten it myself I have ended up sick with the flu.

As for all the parents taking a chance that their unvaccinated child won't catch something, I hope they don't. I really do. But honestly I couldn't take the chance that my child would catch and die from something that was preventable if I got them vaccinated. The connection to autism has not been scientifically proven. I'd rather risk autism than risk death from measles, but that's just me.

I would rather risk autism than death from measles, too. Especially since one kid with measles probably means a ton of kids with measles, especially if parents are opting not to vaccinate.

And, um, for the record? I've gotten the flu vaccine for the past 5 years, and the last time I had the flu was 6 years ago. Same with my parents, been getting the shot for 4 or 5 years, no problems since then, no flu. We're probably just lucky.

Oh, but my boyfriend's never been vaccinated and has never had the flu. So it can go both ways.

[edit on 2/17/2009 by ravenshadow13]

reply to post by Jenna


Yes, and this is the problem, at least for me.

I dont want to put my children at risk either way, it is such a tough decision.

So far my kids have had their vaccines, because I just didnt know any better before. Now I am looking objectively at this.

My kids as well are perfectly healthy..... but I learned recently from my mom, that when I was younger I had a DPT vaccine and it nearly killed me, I still have vague memories of crying uncontrollably, and being in pain, but they are foggy memories. I was young.

But it never hurts to at least check out the facts right?

reply to post by ravenshadow13

I did read your post, and I actually read it again, and I still dunno how I was meant to know you were in the hospital for 3 months, since you don't mention that part anywhere.

You don't need to tell me how it happened with my bro because I already know, I was an adult and saw for myself with my own knowledge what happened to him. He got whooping cough from the vaccine. This made him sick, about as sick as you were by the sound of it, at a very very very much younger age, infancy. I'm not going to downplay the seriousness of your condition at age 11, but I do have to say that with infants it's far more serious. It's much easier to become malnourished and dehydrated the younger and smaller you are. He wouldn't have had whooping cough that young without that vaccine, you see. Would I rather he had to put up with whooping cough at 11? DEFINITELY.

As for the autism, I believe the vaccine did that too, more specifically the mercury in it.

Also I'm wondering if you have any experience with autism whatsoever to make statements like that, that you'd prefer being autistic? It's a damn lonely and frustrating world, and a hardship not only for you yourself but everyone around you. I'm not saying that I'd prefer he died in any way whatsoever, BUT that could have been the scenario as it was, even with the precious vaccine, he got sick anyway. Personally I'd rather get sick for a few months than have autism for the rest of my life. *shrug* People get sick at any and every age, it's just part of life.

I can understand putting it off to a later age so you can keep a better eye on them, since at a later age you know their personality better and can notice changes faster.

reply to post by ravenshadow13


I haven't had the flu since I was very young, either, but I haven't been vaccinated. I may just be naturally immune to its current mutations for whatever reason, though.

[edit on 17-2-2009 by sadisticwoman]

Originally posted by DimensionalDetective


This is a touchy issue to be sure, so I'll try to be careful how I choose my words.

I can see both sides of the coin on this issue.

I can understand why a parent would not want to forcefully subject their child to a vaccine that may have long term detrimental effects, those which have not been completely proven nor misproven.

I can also see the side of parents who worry about their children being exposed to an environment where other non-vaccinated children may bring these types of diseases into the curricular environment and risk infecting other people.

Let the debate begin....

www.nbc4i.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

If you travel to a 3rd world country, do you expect the inhabitants to be vaccinated, or do you vaccinate yourself to protect yourself from diseases?

Originally posted by pureevil81
reply to post by Jenna

 

Yes, and this is the problem, at least for me.

I dont want to put my children at risk either way, it is such a tough decision.

So far my kids have had their vaccines, because I just didnt know any better before. Now I am looking objectively at this.

My kids as well are perfectly healthy..... but I learned recently from my mom, that when I was younger I had a DPT vaccine and it nearly killed me, I still have vague memories of crying uncontrollably, and being in pain, but they are foggy memories. I was young.

But it never hurts to at least check out the facts right?

I have 2 very healthy children that rarely need to see a doctor - if they're in the doctor more than just once a year for a physical, it's odd. So, my point is that my kids do not have an immunity issue. Yet, when my son was 15 months old and received his MMR vaccine, he had a TERRIBLE reaction to it. Within 24 hours of the shot, his temperature shot up to 104-105 and it stayed there for 4 days. He was listless. On the 2nd day, his back broke out in spots. Anyway, I was SURE it had something to do with the shot - a healthy kid just happens to get a crazy fever right after a shot? The ER doctor told me it was an unrelated virus because no way could he have had this reaction from the shot. On the 4th day, I took him to a different doctor, that suspected meningitis and would not let us leave the office until it was ruled out. He concluded honestly that he did believe it was related to the shot and said "he must have received some live virus in his shot." I appreciated the honesty, but I doubted that my son's symptoms were reported to the department of health. And I have to say that for those 4 days of fever and listlessness, autism was on my mind a lot.

We don't get the flu shot. We homeschool, so I don't worry about the kids bringing all the nasty germs home. In fact, we haven't had any illness in our house since Thanksgiving. We've really made a habit of going straight to the sink and washing our hands after coming home from a public place and it seems to be doing the trick for us.

I've never had the flu and I'm 35.

Originally posted by sadisticwoman
I can understand putting it off to a later age so you can keep a better eye on them, since at a later age you know their personality better and can notice changes faster.

reply to post by ravenshadow13

 

I haven't had the flu since I was very young, either, but I haven't been vaccinated. I may just be naturally immune to its current mutations for whatever reason, though.

[edit on 17-2-2009 by sadisticwoman]

Actually, I have read that as much as 30% of the population has a natural immunity to flu viruses, so we should count ourselves fortunate. This is, during the pandemic of 1919, there were people that could help the sick and not get the flu themselves, no matter how much they were exposed to it.

Originally posted by pureevil81
I dont want to put my children at risk either way, it is such a tough decision.

And yet you do, almost every day. Any time you put them in a car you are risking their lives. Even if there is a link between autism and vaccines (there isn't...), think about the numbers of people who have received the vaccine without any ill effects vs. those who did. It's minute. You face more of a risk driving to work every day.

reply to post by SaviorComplex


Thank you captain obvious....

What did that have to do with anything, I am aware, as many others are, That we take risks everyday, driving, eating, what we drink.... it can all be risky.

Do YOU have anything to reveal, besides stating the obvious?

Thanks so much

reply to post by pureevil81


True, it doesn't hurt to check the facts. But there has not been a link between autism and vaccines that has been proven. The evidence that says there is one simply does not exist. And really, if they have already had a bunch of vaccines and are fine, then chances are they will be fine if they finish getting the rest of them.

I do understand the hesitation though. I hesitated with both of my kids, but my husband and I had all of ours and are fine, our parents had all of theirs and are fine. So I decided that the odds were high enough that my boys would fine, and I just don't think I could live with myself if I didn't vaccinate them and then they caught something and died from it. The more parents that don't vaccinate their children, the higher the risk of an outbreak. The higher the risk of an outbreak, the higher the risk children will needlessly die.

The only vaccines that really make me hesitate now are the new ones they have been coming out with. I won't let my children get the chicken pox vaccine simply because it hasn't been around long enough for any long term effects to be known. Same goes for the HPV vaccine that they are in such a hurry to give out, if I were to ever have a girl anyway. It hasn't been around long enough to know the long term effects.


reply to post by Sara1


While your post wasn't directed at me, Raven was responding to my comment about how I'd rather risk my children get autism than risk them dying from a preventable disease so I'm going to respond anyway.

I have a young cousin who is autistic, so I know how difficult it can be on a parent to raise an autistic child. Autism varies from person to person and isn't always incapacitating, though it can be. Everyone gets sick, but not everyone comes down with measles, mumps, pertussis, diphtheria, etc. And those who do run the risk of death. Given the choice between risking having a child who is difficult to handle sometimes, or all the time depending on how severe the autism is, versus risking having a child die at an early age because of a disease that could have been prevented had I just vaccinated him, I'll take the autism any day of the week.

Originally posted by ravenshadow13
reply to post by Sara1

 

If you read my post, I was out of school for three months and my lungs shut down. And if I had been vaccinated, I would not have gotten Pertussis.

You may have fallen into a vegetative coma and died instead.

Originally posted by ravenshadow13
If you have a reaction to the vaccine itself, that's what causes autism.

No, it's not the "reaction", it's the additives such as mercury and antifreeze (yes, antifreeze) that cause irreparable damage to the brain.

Originally posted by ravenshadow13 Usually babies die from Pertussis when they do not get the vaccine.

Now here's fear mongering at it's finest. "Don't vaccinate your baby, and it will die". My personal experience tells me exactly the opposite.

Originally posted by ravenshadow13
And if you get the vaccine in full without a reaction, you don't get the disease until you're much older. So... I think you might be a tad confused. A reaction to the vaccine isn't the same as getting the disease from the vaccine, and if you're right, your bro would have gotten all three diseases if he got the combo DPT shot.

I think you are a little confused. Do you know how vaccines work? When you are vaccinated against a disease, you DO get the disease, it's in the vaccine.

Originally posted by SaviorComplex
Even if there is a link between autism and vaccines (there isn't...), think about the numbers of people who have received the vaccine without any ill effects vs. those who did. It's minute.

It's irresponsible to just claim there isn't a link. As far as courts go there isn't one, if that's what you're thinking. Why? Because nobody wants to pick up the bill for that one. Unfortunately autism requires care, expensive care, for the rest of the persons life. At a rate of 1 in 150 children having autism you're looking at quite a liability, and the rate is increasing. 1 in 150 is hardly minute at all!

Even Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain said on the campaign trail that “there’s strong evidence” that a preservative in vaccines is fueling the dramatic rise in autism cases across the country.

As many as 1 in 150 children in some communities have autism disorders, says the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

“We need to recognize this is a national crisis,” Jon Poling said.

www.ajc.com...

Aside from court rulings I haven't seen anyone with reliable credentials say there is no link. Don't know where you get your information from, can you show me then?

Originally posted by Sara1
Aside from court rulings I haven't seen anyone with reliable credentials say there is no link. Don't know where you get your information from, can you show me then?

I would think that court rulings would be rather reliable seeing as how I would imagine they probably had experts saying there wasn't a link. Do you have information from someone with reliable credentials saying there definitely is a link? I ask because I have never heard of anyone who works in medicine or science that isn't out to make a buck off of distraught parents saying there definitely is one.

[edit on 17-2-2009 by Jenna]

one small question for y'all, whats so bad about getting flue?, your layed up for a couple of days and feel like sh*t, all the while your imune system is doing its thing, what doesn't kill ya just makes you stronger.

Originally posted by Jenna
While your post wasn't directed at me, Raven was responding to my comment about how I'd rather risk my children get autism than risk them dying from a preventable disease so I'm going to respond anyway.

I have a young cousin who is autistic, so I know how difficult it can be on a parent to raise an autistic child. Autism varies from person to person and isn't always incapacitating, though it can be. Everyone gets sick, but not everyone comes down with measles, mumps, pertussis, diphtheria, etc. And those who do run the risk of death. Given the choice between risking having a child who is difficult to handle sometimes, or all the time depending on how severe the autism is, versus risking having a child die at an early age because of a disease that could have been prevented had I just vaccinated him, I'll take the autism any day of the week.

The vaccine itself is a risk of death, since you can die from the very thing you're being injected with to prevent at a later age. In my brothers case and others that I've read from parents over time, the scenario is, get vaccine, get VERY SICK, then become autistic. He got whooping cough, from being injected with whooping cough, to prevent whooping cough.

I find it somewhat offensive that you'd downplay the situation as just "a child that is difficult to handle", implying the parents/caregivers are just lazy bastards. Sure, the cases and severity varies. But over here it's a great financial expense which is difficult to live up to. He needs physical therapy, he unintentionally destroys things which need to be replaced frequently, and so on. I care for him a lot, he's so much younger than me but already taller than me, which makes it that much more difficult that I have to bathe him. I will have to have him live with me and take care of him until either he or I die. Btw because of his condition he also has a shorter life expectancy so I'm depressedly expecting to outlive him, love the guy.